madtitan125
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Post by madtitan125 on Nov 10, 2003 19:36:56 GMT
Hi again everyone!
I'm working with the Troll Informant on this thread. These are pix from a book I've had a long time, "The Beatles: In Their Own Words".
Ever since I first heard of the PID story (80's), I used to compare pix in my "Beatles Forever" book, and always thought there was a big difference in appearance.
With the recent developments in technology, access to photos, etc. it seems this was a different guy after all!
I was recently going through some boxes (moving), and found the "In Their Own Words" book again.
Started looking through the pix and thought these two were interesting.
The first one (early Beatles), clearly shows George, John and Paul roughly the same height.
The next photo ('67?) clearly shows Faul taller than John. And chewing on his right hand, at that!
The cover to this book is pretty revelatory, as well, because you can see all the scars pretty clearly, as well as Faul's big brown contacts. This gives a new meaning to the word "Fugly"!
Since I'm no expert at using a scanner, I'm having difficulty accessing that image (it's saved, but I can't e-mail it). I'm still trying to access it.
Anyway, sending images to the Troll Informant and they should be up soon. Bye for now.
p.s. By the way, this book publishes the quote from Ringo about Elvis being the vocalist on Lady Madonna (how weird is that, if true?).
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Post by Eggman on Nov 11, 2003 14:04:05 GMT
Spanky posted this pics for madtitan:
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madtitan125
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Post by madtitan125 on Nov 11, 2003 23:49:35 GMT
To see more replies to this thread, go to "General" and look for thread "For Mad Titan".
Thanks for posting pix of Sir False McCartney and James Paul.
Now if we could just get the cover of the book up there, with Faul's big brown contacts and all of the scars!
Bye for now!
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Post by SunKing on Nov 25, 2003 23:47:01 GMT
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Post by Chris on Nov 28, 2003 14:33:15 GMT
I agree with S.K. - Paul definitley wore lifts in his shoes. Look at this series of photos from when they filmed Help !!! on the beach... Paul & Ringo look to be around the same height. Ringo can't be more then 5ft 8 in. tall. Maybe even only 5ft. 7 in. tall !!! It's also obvious how slight of build Paul was. He looks smaller in build then Ringo is !!!! Paul looks very thin & frail in these photos ... Billy is a much bigger person then Paul was !!!! Love to all... Chris
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Post by gracemer on Dec 15, 2003 3:50:34 GMT
Paul wore lifts? I didn't know that> In most photos he looks just a tiny bit taller than John. Why would he wear lifts, if by not wearing them, he'd only be an inch or so shorter than John? How much taller can those things make a person?
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Post by Chris on Dec 15, 2003 14:29:09 GMT
WEll, I'm no expert. However, I'd have to guess that he wouldn't have bothered unless he needed 3 or more inches. So, he was wearing things inside his shoes to give him 3-4 inches more in height. I believe that James Paul was 5 ft. 7 in tall. 5ft. 8 in. on the outside. I'd love to see him back to back with Ringo, barefoot. Ringo was 5 ft. 8 in. tall. Unless Ringo was lying & making himself an inch taller !!! I'm sure that some guys will do that. I honestly don't know. All I know was that I was told by a very good source, that Paul was 5 ft. 7 in. tall...I was also told that he wore the lifts because he himself wanted to come across as being the same height as Johnny & George. He HATED being shorter than them !!!! I don't know why it bothered him so much. I thought he was cute as a button, no matter WHAT his height was ;D Unless they were all that short & wore lifts in their shoes. Wouldn't THAT be a hoot !!!! Love to all... Chris
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Post by Curious on Dec 15, 2003 14:33:35 GMT
Add 1 inch lifts (about the maximum you can get away with in normal shoes) to Cuban heels (2-3 inches), which maye hvae been taller than those of John and George, and you have a hypothetical 3-4 inches growth in height. Subtract 2 inches to allow for the heels worn by the others, and he could have caught up by 2 inches, easily.
Hope that made sense...
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Post by Chris on Dec 15, 2003 15:41:18 GMT
;D Curious - It makes perfect sense. I got this photo from the thread above this one ( the Paul's vs. Faul's legs one ). Check it out: You can see that Paul is wearing shoes with a small platform on them. Of the 4, he is the only one doing so. I'd guess that the shoes alone gave him a good 2 inches. If he's wearing the one inch lifts that you just talked about inside his shoes, that would've given him the 3 inches he needed to catch up with Johnny. John & Paul look to be about the same height in this photo !!! John is slouching a bit, which makes Paul's shoulders look a little higher. However, the top of their heads look about even, as do their hips & knees... Wattaya think Love to all... Chris ;D
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Post by Curious on Dec 15, 2003 16:34:36 GMT
Paul is standing slightly further forward in this pic, which makes it difficult to use for accurate comparison. I would also say that she shoes, if any, give him only an inch or so extra height.
Also, if you look at John and George, they both have slight Cuban heels on their shoes, while Ringo is completely barefoot.
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Post by Chris on Dec 15, 2003 17:10:59 GMT
As far as I can see, Paul is standing very slightly forward of John. I think that they're close enough to even, to make a decent comparison. I guess it's all a matter of perspective. The front of Paul's shoes look to be about an inch thick. It's hard to tell if the heel is thicker, or if it's an even platform. When I looked at it before, the heel looked thicker. Now, I'm not totally sure. Like I said, I'm not an expert. I have NO idea how much taller this would make Paul. All I know is that he's wearing platform shoes & the others aren't. And, he might be wearing inner lifts. How tall ARE cuban heels I've never heard of them, prior to you mentioning them. Take care... Chris
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Post by gracemer on Dec 15, 2003 19:50:15 GMT
Cuban heels are usually 1-1/2 inches high. I think those rubber soul'd shoes Paul is wearing might give him an extra inch or so. BUT...look at everyone's legs. If Paul was nearly the same height as Ringo, his legs would also be a similar length, and you can see they are not. Paul has a 2-3 inch leg length advantage over Ringo. I've noticed Paul's long legs in numerous photos.
Perspective-wise, it looks like he's standing 3-4 inches in front of the others, which also gives him a slight height advantage.
I'm not buying it. I think the perspective in the beach photos is deceptive.
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Post by Piggies on Dec 16, 2003 1:11:25 GMT
"Faul" doesn't seem to be towering over the group here as much as most of us may think he should. Hmmm....
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 16, 2003 2:29:13 GMT
Skewed angle, chief. Look at the slab.
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Post by Piggies on Dec 16, 2003 3:21:08 GMT
Skewed angle, chief. Look at the slab. Thanks chief. Are you saying that even though Paul and George are standing side by side, the slab drops off about 3 inches exactly where Paul is standing?
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 16, 2003 3:34:24 GMT
Paul is not in this picture. Faul appears to be slouching. No one has said Faul was three inches taller than George. You're being disingenuous and/or brainwashed.
Hope this helps.
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Post by gracemer on Dec 16, 2003 7:14:15 GMT
Faul seems to be leaning back a little--another height reducer
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Post by Chris on Dec 16, 2003 16:15:03 GMT
:DPiggies, TI, & gracemer - even with all that you said, Paul STILL appears at least an inch taller then George in the Hey Jude shot. In Help !!! George appeared taller than Paul. I have to check out my stills. See if I have any to try to illustrate this point. I will post a few after this. I think what impresses me the most is the difference between Paul's build & Bill/Faul's build. In the beach photo session, Paul looks SO slight of build. Ritchie ( Ringo ) looks stockier than Paul is. Paul appears to MAYBE be an inch taller than Ritchie ( if even ). I can't see their shoes, so I have no idea how accurate their height is. All I know, is that Paul appears to be a much smaller man ( in build ) then Bill/Faul. I will look for photos to try to illustrate this point right now... Love to all... Chris ;D
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Post by Chris on Dec 16, 2003 16:45:10 GMT
;D :DHere's a photo that was supposedly taken around the time of Help !!! Paul & George appear to be around the same height. Actually, I think George MIGHT be a little taller... Here goes: I know that Paul has one leg up on the step. However, the other leg is perfectly flat on the ground. I think that would indicate his mean height... Love to all... Chris
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Post by Curious on Dec 16, 2003 16:48:54 GMT
If we could see the heels of all involved, it would help.
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Post by Chris on Dec 16, 2003 16:58:04 GMT
You can see George's heels. Since he's the one who appears a tiny bit taller, his are the ones that count. Paul's shoes appear to have similar heel to George's. Here's a photo of Paul taken of him in Florida. In his TIGHT bathing suit. I'd like to know where he got that suit ;D Whew ;D Wow ;D He's a hairy little guy !!! Here goes: I'm going to look & see if I can find a similar shot of Bill/ Faul in a bathing suit. So we can compare body type, nipples & body hair... I want to see if Bill's legs are as hairy as Paul's are. I don't THINK that they would've MOVED Bill's nipples to align them with Paul's. But then again, who knows If anyone else has a photo like this or can find one, I'd so appreciate them posting it under this thread ;D Love to all... Chris ;D
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Post by Curious on Dec 16, 2003 17:04:01 GMT
Hate to be pedantic on this, Chris, but they are wearing totally different styles of shoes, so it's impossible to know how high Paul's heels were.
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Post by Chris on Dec 16, 2003 18:08:18 GMT
:)Well, I blew it up & tried looking a little closer at it. Yep, two different styles of shoes. What this has to do with the fact that George appears a little taller than Paul, eludes me. I blew it up, & I sharpened it a little. After looking at the contours & shadows in Paul's shoes, I'd have to venture a guess. It looks to me like Paul's shoes might have a 1/2 inch to an inch heel. Looking at George's shoes, I'd say his do also. I do not see that Paul's shoes are totally flat & George's have a significant heel. To me, this does NOT explain how George can appear a little taller then Paul here, & Paul look taller than him in the Hey Jude photo. I haven't examined the shoes in that shot though. I have to go & do THAT now...Here's the blowup: I can understand you wanting to be absolutely certain about this. However, I really don't see that big a difference in the heel size of the shoes Paul was wearing, compared to the ones that George was weariing. So, I'd have to guess that their heights are pretty accurate in relation to each other. As always, I'M NO EXPERT. I'm just an average person trying to uncover the truth in this matter... Love to all... Chris
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Post by Chris on Dec 16, 2003 18:59:11 GMT
;D It took me awhile, BUT, I found a photo of Bill in a bathing suit. As can be seen earlier in this thread, Paul was a hairy little beast. Bill, on the other hand, has VERY LITTLE HAIR on the inside of his thighs. Both men are also built differently. This is not the GREATEST photo, but it's the only one I could find right now. I will continue to search. This photo is supposed to have been taken in 1967. It's Bill, Jane Asher & Paul's step-sister Ruth. Here goes: And the search continues... Love to all... Chris ;D
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Post by Chris on Dec 16, 2003 21:25:22 GMT
;D LongJohn - you might be right. It looks like he has an irritation under his left armpit. Maybe because he DID shave !!! It amazes me how much WIDER Bill is than Paul was. His ribcage, & shoulders are wider & his waist goes in some. Paul was almost straight up & down !!! Bill's frame is just so much bigger than Paul's was !!! Bill's nipples seem further apart, & his belly button is shallower... Just a bunch of LITTLE things that add up to something major in my book !!! Just more proof that they are indeed 2 DIFFERENT PEOPLE !!! What we need, is to gather up as much circumstantial evidence as possible. Stuff separate from Sun King's work...If we gather enough evidence, we WILL become an irresistable force !!! Love to all... Chris ;D
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