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Post by fixingahole on Jan 3, 2004 23:52:09 GMT
John:
Well boys, Paul's dead. And since he's not replaceable, the Beatles are over. Unless......
George (or Ringo):
Oh, this is tragic. We can't break up the band now. Think about the mass suicides. Think about our careers. We'll never make it as solo artists.
John:
Unless we find a lookalike! We'll find someone who's close, and make him closer with plastic surgery. Of course he'll also have to sound like Paul and be able to fool the world, never mind we can't go anywhere without papparazzi taking our pictures.
And of course, people will have to be sworn to secrecy for life. There will have to be massive payoffs to quiet the people who know. We'll have to alter photos. We'll put clues on all our albums but deny we did it.
It'll be a huge coverup, but it's the only way to keep the band together. Lord knows it will be difficult but it's the only way we can avoid going solo, which would ruin our careers.
Ringo (or George):
Yes, breaking up the band is not an option. I know my career will be over if the Beatles don't continue to make albums.
John:
So what'll it be, boys? Break up the band or undertake a risky identity hoax that has never been done before and will require a huge amount of luck beyond our control?
George (or Ringo):
Identity hoax.
Ringo (or George):
Yeah, identity hoax.
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Post by SunKing on Jan 4, 2004 0:47:42 GMT
Congratulations, very, very interesting. But you have to substitute "John" with "EMI manager" or "IS boss" John was just too shocked. In 1965 there was a "Paul lookalike" contest. There was a winner. It was not Bill Sheppard. But Bill was ALREADY among the candidates....   Bill: WANTED! |
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 4, 2004 1:11:10 GMT
Oh, so something like:
EMI Manager or IS boss (whatever that is):
Well boys, Paul's dead. And since he's not replaceable, the Beatles are over. Unless........
John (shocked):
I am just too shocked to deal with this.
Ringo:
Me too.
George:
Yeah, me too.
EMI Manager or IS boss:
Don't worry about it. I'll take care of everything. In 1965 there was a lookalike contest. We already have candidates.
John, George, and Ringo:
OK.
Dissolve to 10 years later.
John:
Well, I was in shock when they swapped Paul. But I went along with it. I'm not in shock anymore, it's been so long. But I'll continue to play the game and keep the secret. Just because.
George and Ringo:
Yeah, me too. Just because. Otherwise "they" might kill us if we tell the truth.
John:
Yeah, they might send a lone madman.
George:
Good point.
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Post by PaulsNotDead on Jan 4, 2004 1:11:51 GMT
I cant believe you acually wrote up a whole conversation that "must" of happened. I read the other notices, and I'll try to be as less rude as I can, but I just cant believe that! You just put horrible words in to great mens mouths. John Lennon was a peacemaker, and if someone had died as close as Paul was to him, he would of honored him with a funeral or something. Goerge had taken up eastern religion, so after he went to India, he would be thinking about his Kharma, love, and friendship. He wouldn't of done that. I don't know about Ringo, but I do know that he wasn't very influential to the others (still a great drummer, though) and even if he did want to make a conspiracy, thay probably wouldn't take that thought seriously, and would rather honor their dead friend. That is, if he died... Which he didn't.
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Post by SunKing on Jan 4, 2004 1:20:50 GMT
Better the first....why have you changed it ....it was quite good just changing characters....
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 4, 2004 1:24:06 GMT
Well, of course, we don't know the actual words that were said. I meant a conversation happened where these points were discussed. Certainly there must have been some conversation between the band.
And I agree they would have honored Paul with a funeral. They would have been shocked. Then they would have done the right thing, the only thing they could do. There would be no more Beatles and their solo careers would have started in 1967.
Does that make less sense than an identity hoax?
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 4, 2004 2:50:10 GMT
I cant believe you acually wrote up a whole conversation that "must" of happened. I read the other notices, and I'll try to be as less rude as I can, but I just cant believe that! You just put horrible words in to great mens mouths. Of course, my point is that these conversations never took place, because they are ludicrous! (insert smiley here) |
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Post by Perplexed on Jan 4, 2004 5:35:41 GMT
Of course we have no idea what kinds of conversations went on mostly. That is the Beatle's business, yes? Unless we are spied upon, no one much knows what we say. All obvious--but I want to touch on the idea that if you are doing something clandestined, (using sick days to get off work to go revel; having a risky tryst with a married person, buying illicit "party favors", drinking while you're in AA; any business that you'd want covered, (coverte, Fr.) you probably don't ever speak in direct terms. You talk in the shade. Only the party elect knows what you are speaking of, and how much, where and when. Euphemisms, code words, tapping whistling, winks, handshakes, car honks, something left in an agreed upon place, a mystical number on and on. Only the parties in agreement can interpret (one wishes) what little thing by which you signify your "nasty " business.
....sneaking out of the house at 2a.m. when you are 17 to get liquored up at a friends house (so called); cheating on your spouse; cheating your entrance exams; smoking ciggies in the backyard with "Bud" from across the way; ..........
Ya'll got any more?
(Perplexed, is this sh*t that you do?)
I ain't tellin'.
Naw, I'm par-fect. I ain't never did nothin' under the table----'cept that one time when I passed love notes 'cross the aisle in History class for two friends of mine so I could get an extra 35ยข for I could buy an extra Twinkie in the lunchroom.......
This is not confessional and you are not Father O'Malley.
And I ain't even Catholic.............
Mum is the word in these affairs.
Although you might want to use "Chrysanthemum"............
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 4, 2004 11:45:21 GMT
The idea was "sold" to them while they were still in shock but the original agreement was only that it be temporary until all the unused music was recorded and then the truth would be revealed to the world at the end of it all...at first, John liked this "game"; after all, it wasn't a permanent arrangement was it? But then...as the initial shock wore off the grief began to sink in...they couldn't mourn publicly and turned more and more to drugs to try to cope...after the success of Sgt. Pepper Billy got bigheaded and the control freak in him took over...he wouldn't let go of Paul's identity at the group's breakup and intelligence services supported their creation...thus the remaining Beatles were betrayed...they kept leaving clues even during their solo careers yet to this day the majority still don't 'dig it'...  |
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Post by Fwings on Jan 4, 2004 11:55:06 GMT
I also think John liked the game because it gave a big "F.U." to the culprits who murdered Paul and Brian. Imagine their utter surprise when they saw Paul and Brain "back" after witnessing their deaths!
And yeah, Faul was only supposed to be temporary. "I can stay until it's time to go." - Hello, Goodbye
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 4, 2004 20:06:03 GMT
The idea was "sold" to them while they were still in shock but the original agreement was only that it be temporary until all the unused music was recorded and then the truth would be revealed to the world at the end of it all...at first, John liked this "game"; after all, it wasn't a permanent arrangement was it? But then...as the initial shock wore off the grief began to sink in...they couldn't mourn publicly and turned more and more to drugs to try to cope...after the success of Sgt. Pepper Billy got bigheaded and the control freak in him took over...he wouldn't let go of Paul's identity at the group's breakup and intelligence services supported their creation...thus the remaining Beatles were betrayed...they kept leaving clues even during their solo careers yet to this day the majority still don't 'dig it'... 100% fantasy and speculation, 0% basis in anything resembling fact. Speculation<>Fact They aren't the same and the difference between them is quite important. Logic seems to also be in short supply. |
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Post by eyesbleed on Jan 5, 2004 3:32:41 GMT
100% fantasy and speculation, 0% basis in anything resembling fact. Speculation<>Fact They aren't the same and the difference between them is quite important. Logic seems to also be in short supply. And what about yer logic? "I have nothing constructive to do, so I'm gonna waste a bunch of time clogging up this here PID forum with my idiotic questions" PID is the fact. The hows & whys require some speculation & the exchanging of ideas. Some based on fact, some, not so sure. There's more than one good explaination being tossed about here. And yes, there is real research going on even when y'all do yer very best to disrupt & clog things. So you have a serious problem with the free flow of ideas & possibilities... obviously. It's just unfortunate that yer set on making yer problem our problem for a while. |
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 5, 2004 7:02:14 GMT
fixingahole,
I'm basing these facts on what 60IF says which I believe to be geniune and true.
So, exactly what would constitute proof to you on this forum? What are you looking for? No matter what photos you see, you can always dispute them or rationalise them away. Anything can be argued to make black white and white black. I honestly cannot see what we would have to show you that would convince you. If SK were to scan and put up the full documentation you could still argue it was fraud. If you were given a personal copy you still might not believe. If EMI decided to officially announce that Paul had been dead all these years and they'd felt it necessary to cover up, and it was confirmed by Ringo, Faul, and Yoko you could still find a way to argue against it. What exactly do you want from us? Why are you here?
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 5, 2004 8:14:27 GMT
fixingahole, I'm basing these facts on what 60IF says which I believe to be geniune and true. So, exactly what would constitute proof to you on this forum? What are you looking for? No matter what photos you see, you can always dispute them or rationalise them away. Anything can be argued to make black white and white black. I honestly cannot see what we would have to show you that would convince you. If SK were to scan and put up the full documentation you could still argue it was fraud. If you were given a personal copy you still might not believe. If EMI decided to officially announce that Paul had been dead all these years and they'd felt it necessary to cover up, and it was confirmed by Ringo, Faul, and Yoko you could still find a way to argue against it. What exactly do you want from us? Why are you here? Uhmmmm, ya know PB, I think you have had some good and interesting ideas in other posts, just not this one. I don't think anyone wants to follow a pissing match between us, so maybe we should shake hands and meet again another day. My point in starting this thread was to show how silly and unbelievable a conversation like this would have been (and they would have had to have some conversation about it). But it didn't work, people think I am trying to put words in their mouths, which I'm not. If SK were to put full documentation I would look at it with great interest, and who knows what conclusions I would make. Sorry if my presence here annoys you. It's not my purpose. People are here looking for answers. Someone has to say, "yeah, but..." Can we call this one no harm, no foul, and move on? |
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