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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 2, 2003 5:54:55 GMT
  Good summary. Leaves out the threat posed by Lennon due to his inside knowledge regarding the murder of James Paul McCartney and the Faul psychodrama that followed up to the present day. . . |
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Post by yellowmatter on Dec 2, 2003 10:13:10 GMT
Thanks Totalinformation -
interesting post - Where did you find this??
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Dec 2, 2003 12:03:30 GMT
Quite interesting, Total -- reads essentialy like so many of my older posts concerning the Lennon case.
I am still researching all pertinent factors involved in John's assassination, and haven't concluded yet if the advent of Faul and the cover-up even played a role.
John seemed embroiled in his own swirling bubble of controversy....both overt and covert. One conclusion could be that Paul was killed or died by misadventure, then replaced, to nutralize Lennon and his growing impact as spokesman for his generation...
Hell, in the final analysis, this could all be about John...but NOT in the sense that SWVLHED implies...
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 3, 2003 17:07:57 GMT
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Dec 3, 2003 19:21:12 GMT
Jesus! wow, thanks for the links...I should be busy 'till March 2004 with them! The fenton bresler book is the grail (being the first in this topic) but the guy on-line who is blaming a fatter Stephen King is kinda bizarre...  Interested in your opinions re: Swvlhed's lennon/PID post, Total.... |
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 8, 2003 1:38:34 GMT
IMAGINE THERE'S NO BEILIN
by Barry Chamish
Last night while surfing the tv, I reached a movie just starting called Mr. Holland's Opus. When I read that it starred Richard Dreyfuss, I reached for the clicker. Because Dreyfuss had hosted Yossi Beilin's Geneva atrocity, I had vowed to boycott Dreyfuss forever.
This wasn't a simple decision because he had made an important imnpact on me once. In 1979, I received my MA from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. My thesis title was; Us Against Them: A Comparative Study Of Leonard Cohen's, The Favourite Game and Mordechai Richler's, The Apprenticeship Of Duddy Kravitz. Both were outstanding works of literature created by two Montreal Jews in the late 1950s and I felt this was something worth investigating. But what turned the tide for me was Richard Dreyfuss' brilliant portrayal of Duddy Kravitz in the film of the book's title. The depth of his understanding of Duddy Kravitz inspired me to dig deeper.
So, breaking my vow out of sentiment or curiosity I started watching Mr. Holland's Opus, a very moving film, and thought to myself, "What an intelligent actor Dreyfuss is, and what a stupid individual." How could he be hoodwinked into becoming master of ceremonies for the Geneva ceremony?
As the film progressed, I saw startling parallels between it and the Geneva fiasco. The climactic moment of the film occurs when John Lennon is murdered and Mr. Holland sings a Lennon song to his deaf son. The climax of Geneva was the signing of the non-accord followed by all participants and audience breaking into a rousing rendition of Lennon's Imagine.
Imagine is the evilest song ever written. Just look:
Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...
Imagine there's no countries,
It isn't hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer,
but I'm not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
Let us conduct a perfunctory examination of these lyrics.
Imagine there's no heaven...no hell below us
In simpler terms, imagine there's no God, nor morality, no judgement. In such a world there's no fear of "living for today.
"Imagine there's no countries...no religions too
Skipping the sloppy grammar, Lennon is now spelling out the New World Order vision of what many refer to as the illuminati. But there's more.
Imagine no possessions
Here you have some communism thrown into the pudding. If only there was a world without heaven and hell, good and evil, where mankind holds no property or sentimental goods, we can all live in peace in a "brotherhood of man."
Now why would Lennon write such wicked, rotten, dangerous lyrics? Easy, he was exploited by the leaders of this globalist fascist world takeover they are in the midst of perpetrating on mankind.
A few years ago, Yoko Ono decided to visit Israel and display her art. There was much fishy about the trip so I looked into the matter. I discovered a world of research painting a very different picture of her and Lennon. There are pretty good researchers out there claiming Lennon, far from being a man of peace, was violent and may have been responsible for the murder of Brian Epstein. Don't laugh this off until you see the evidence. One thing is for certain, immediately after Epstein's death, Yoko Ono came into the picture and it may not all be coincidence. A good starting point would be to read Fenton Bresler's book, Who Killed John Lennon. Here's what I wrote:
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IMAGINE THERE'S NO LENNON by Barry Chamish
However Ono did it, Lennon began writing songs that fit the NWO agenda like a glove. In his first solo album, the most memorable song, called God, attempts to destroy religion as thoroughly as possible. The song begins with the line, "God is a concept by which we measure our pain," a patently false observation. As any religious person will explain, God is a concept by which we measure our joy. The song then lists Gods from Jesus to Elvis which Lennon rejects, in favor of, "I just believe in me, Yoko and me."
Just previous to and after this, Lennon recorded a series of meaningless radical anthems like 'Give Peace A Chance' and 'Woman Is The black person Of The World', a song which one can argue whether it is more insulting to women or blacks. But the ultimate disgrace was a ditty called 'Imagine', which attempts to brainwash and inculcate his listeners in the full NWO agenda.
'Imagine' paints a world with no heaven or hell, that is with no morality, with no countries, possessions or religions. It is a thoroughly dreadful vision of a robotic state without devotion to any higher good; just what the NWO ordered.
During this period, Paul McCartney attacked Lennon's behaviour and his irrational attachment to Ono. Lennon went on a vengeful rampage, posing for a photo of him holding a pig's ears, a mockery of McCartney's Ram album cover and attacked McCartney viciously in a song called 'How Do You Sleep'.
But the ultimate revenge was rumored to have been Ono's. Just prior to McCartney's performance in Japan, he was busted at Tokyo Airport when the police found a small amount of grass in his equipment. McCartney was jailed and in ways he refuses to divulge, the cops forced him to sing 'Yesterday' for them. The humiliation of McCartney was complete and Lennon's vendetta against him stopped.
That freed Lennon to ruin his career with the close cooperation of his Dragon Lady. He now released albums and appeared on stage with her cacaphonious contribution sabotaging his musical integrity. That was the state of affairs in 1979, when Lennon returned to the studios to record his final album. Once he was dead, the mediocre cuts became hits and even Ono had a number one bestseller. The exact motive for Lennon's death remains unclear but there is no doubt that his killer was mind-controlled and fulfilled a covert operation in the exact mode of most political assassinations since the 1960s. And now Yoko Ono is doing her unique thing in Israel, and whatever the real reasons she is here, there is evil in her motives. That's her way of doing things.
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Total Information: Just thought I'd throw this into the mix. Chamish is an anti-NWO Israeli write (who carries some unfortunate Zionist baggage).
He obviously is not aware of Faul. I sent him a brief note informing him. He also has the (Frian)Epstein/Ono timeline messed up. So that kills his "Lennon killed Epstein" theory. I know Lennon has been accused of killing Stu Sutcliffe, perhaps unintentionally; but the evidence isn't very convincing.
Does anyone know about Faul having to sing Yesterday for the Japanese? I wonder to what degree there was a Faul-Yoko feud going on.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Dec 8, 2003 3:17:02 GMT
Total, I'm puzzled; is that post from you, or quoting someone else, or a mixture?
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 8, 2003 7:01:24 GMT
My commentary begins where it says Total Information -- the rest is Chamish.
I don't use the quote feature because it outputs fonts that are much smaller than optimal on every display I've viewed this forum with to date.
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Post by PaulBearer on Dec 10, 2003 1:09:39 GMT
Italics look nice though and/or a different colour.  |
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Dec 11, 2003 2:17:29 GMT
I found Chamish's missive brimming with vitrol. Barely able to wade through the bitter religious rhetoric. Personally, I do not agree that "Imagine" was the most evil song ever written; come on - the FBI and paranoid Hoover cited Imagine as evidence of Lennon's Communistic sympathies...equally as skewered. One can interpret song lyrics in many different ways, if the songwriter has learned his craft well. I was somewhat shocked by where Chamish was trying to come from.  |
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 11, 2003 3:01:36 GMT
Chamish goes overboard and his perspective is skewed.
It's a nice, even beautiful, song and Lennon certainly meant well. But I can't pretend there is *no* NWO influence in the lyrics. Ono slowed, stunted and in some aspects directed Lennon's intellectual development.
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Post by Henz on Dec 13, 2003 14:52:29 GMT
The song "Imagine" does reek of One World Government ideals. Even if Lennon didn't intend for it to be, I don't doubt the the men pulling the strings of the music industry love the undertones of this song.
When I think of John and Yoko living in New York, I think of them as Tri-lateral Commission poster children. One out of "London", one out of Tokyo, (her dad was an international banker, you can't get more one world than that), and both together in New York.
One thing about Nixon. The Illuminatti put him in office. He turned his back on them and that's what got him thrown out. I wonder what life would be like now had Nixon been successful in declaring Martial Law and having the Federal Reserve Bank abolished.
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 13, 2003 17:17:41 GMT
You really think Nixon had intentions of abolishing the FedRes? I would love more info on that.
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Post by gracemer on Dec 27, 2003 20:28:13 GMT
In fairness to Chamish, here is his response to a critical comment regarding the article posted by Totalinformation. I think it reveals where he's coming from:
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"...what a load of brainwashed drivel, Cindy! When Lennon had the audacity to write "Imagine no possessions..." like it or not, he was sitting atop a mountain of wealth and possessions while espousing, openly socialist and communist ideals for everyone else.
Lennon was, like many hypocrites, an elitist pig who believed his talent and art placed him above not only the rules of the game, but gave him a podium for preaching vain ideologies to the masses who would have to live in the world his generation of half-wits would concoct out of watered down eastern mysticism, left-overs from various failed Marxist experiments and whatever else LSD inspired along the irrational, illogical pathway of burnt neurons they quaintly still regarded as brain cells.
Lennon was the ultimate sell-out. He sold out to himself... incorporated. What a delightful illusion. He figured out the con Maharishi pulled on him in India and parlayed it into a multi-billion dollar eternal international corporation called 'John Lennon.' All the while wearing the headdress of a Marxist revolutionary and dressing poor to appease the self-styled American proletariates who 'imagined' themselves to be suffering workers.
On the contrary, they were nothing more than cattle to Lennon Inc.; They were consumers, customers, cult-bait. Lennon sold baseless, vain fantasies wrapped in hair-brained philosophy and politics to a generation so lost in its own egocentrism and self-indulgence that even his death couldn't shake them out of the trance. All you need is love, unless your rent is due; and living is easy with eyes closed, which is exactly what Lennon did.
I'm sure Lennon had his fair share of $6000 shower curtains among other extravagancies, while telling others to live off the air and trees and love. What a crock. Lennon was the perfect prophet of the NWO, as are so many other icons of pop-culture "revolution." Deceived and deceiving."
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Personally, I think it's an exaggeration to call it the most evil song ever written. But knowingly or not, Lennon is espousing NWO ideals in this song, and as the bibically knowledgeable know, the NWO will bring the world antichrist, death, and hell. Because it's global, there will be no place to run to escape. That's partly the evil of the song because it puts down nations and boundaries, and religion, which are what keeping the wickedness at bay, to some extent.
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Post by LUCY on Apr 26, 2004 0:46:12 GMT
I T H INK I' M G O I N G D O W N
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Post by Perplexed on Apr 26, 2004 9:41:14 GMT
Lucy, what do you mean?
Is that a song reference a la Lennon or are you in a strait?
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Post by LUCY on Apr 26, 2004 16:02:53 GMT
I am overwhelmed by all this bad, bad information.
Hurry Doctor, the antidote please!
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Post by abbey on Apr 27, 2004 3:54:48 GMT
I am overwhelmed by all this bad, bad information. Hurry Doctor, the antidote please! Aren't we all? I have always wondered how a husband and wife could be walking into a building side by side and a gunman starts shooting and not one single bullet hits the wife Also when he staggered into the office, where the h*ll was Yoko?  ? I truly believe David Chapman was totally controlled by a greater power. He really didn't know what he was doing. He was nothing but a puppet! |
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Post by Perplexed on Apr 27, 2004 4:19:12 GMT
I am now entering the zone known as Total Confusion.
I understand nothing.
I blither.
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Post by BillyJones on Apr 27, 2004 13:54:33 GMT
I've always felt that Yoko should've done SOMETHING. ANYTHING! If she TRULY loved John, it might not have stopped the bullets from hitting him. HOWEVER, what stopped her from jumping on the back of that bastard Mark David Chapman & beating the shit out of him until the authorities arrived. NOTHING! That's what I would've done!
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Post by Perplexed on Apr 27, 2004 14:46:40 GMT
At a horrific, earth shattering, gut wrenching crisis like that, though, what does one do? I mean, I can't speak for Ms. Ono either way; I don't know what she did, and how can I judge a woman's reactions to viewing such a hideous thing? It is not like we have protocol for an unseen event like this; there is no handbook of procedures for "What to do when a stupid honkey white boy shoots your famous world renowned rock star husband in the guts five times in front of your own apartment building right after dinner in cold blood on the street." There was just no precedent. I mean, today, a woman might reach for her cell phone in her panicky denial, dial up Triple-A, and ask, "My husband's had a flat. He's been shot, so actually he's kinda flat. I need another husband, or a doctor, or some trauma drugs right now, can you send someone over right away?" Hope she's paid her monthly premiums...... Should Yoko, in our minds since we all know 'howpeopleshouldbe' (and I am spoofing my own by-stander impulses here)should she have begun screaming at the top of her lungs, in some incoherent mix of English and anything other tongue she may have learned, at Mr. Chapman? Should she have called him names and pounded her fists at him in tears saying, "You took my husband, you piece of sh*t. You f*ck*ng waste of a life loser white boy fool devil. Go to hell. If we were in Japan, my family would have you dropped by helicopter into the center of Mount Fuji. Die, b*st*rd! Give me your gun and let me finish you off now, you Satan murderer! You will pay I will scratch out your eyes.....................etc." Maybe she should have kicked him, or inflicted long fingernails on a tender spot. Or just stand there and wail. But, I have no idea because I am not Yoko Ono. Maybe Americans are becoming very good at "disassociating." Too good, in fact. Maybe, on cue, right in the middle of a stunningly horrible event, most of us just take leave, slip on into the Ally McBeal Fantasy train, drop out, blank our minds, tell ourselves, "I won't think about this today, I'll think about this tomorrow." And all the while (if I may borrow from Mr. Taupin and Sir Elton) you are floating away, "Love Lies Bleeding in Your Hands." ("The roses in the window box have tilted to one side, Everything about this house has simply gone and died..........."(almost) In America, after our youth, we become machines; cold and static, feeling a part of things but never fully, reserving half of our waking consiousness to being somewhere else, and what will must do later. We are never fully there, or here, or really anywhere. We are always on the cell phone, calling Triple AAA and lining up something convenient to make us comfortable twenty minutes from now, five miles away. So, if Yoko seemed aloof, or detached during this melee, as the reports of her might go, rather than that making her some kind of a cold, calculating "spy?" participating in a untoward act, maybe she really was just a shocked victim, a traumatized spouse, like John himself. In spite of what she registered, and felt, and took in, a low-key "let's handle business" behavior took the reins. Maybe she had been an ambulance driver at one time. Or a paramedic. Dr. Ono................Oh, no. The limb breaks; should have hugged the trunk. Because, especially in our nation here, it isn't just Yoko who may seem to react too calmly at such a loss. Maybe in the last twenty four years since we lost Mr. Lennon, we've all been adopting this little syndrome at a critical scene: we mechanistically handle business, and delay our breakdown indefinitely. But to look on the bright side:remember, as long as you've got your cell phone, in twenty mintues you could be five miles away. |
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Post by BillyJones on Apr 27, 2004 15:57:53 GMT
Funeral for a friend. Very fitting. It is my all time favorite Elton song. I won't presume to understand WHY Yoko did what she did that day. I do know that their relationship was always touted to be one of devotion. From THAT perspective, I find it hard to understand her actions ( or lack thereof ). It would've been understandable if she ran over to Johnny & held him. Did she do that? I don't remember reading that she did. Does anyone know exactly WHAT Yoko did in the moments following John's fatal shooting?
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Post by abbey on Apr 27, 2004 19:59:10 GMT
I still think there was something fishey there. She wasn't even there when he fell on his face. Where was she? Then she never notified any of his true, close friends or family, just had him cremated. Wouldn't it have been humanly considerate to notify his son Juliann or his former band members? She didn't do diddly until after he was cremated. Besides, she had what she wanted...control of his money, etc. And she was able to schreech in some of his songs. Yoko sounded like a cat with its tail under the rocking chair when she sang. On second thought, the cat sounded much better.  |
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Post by unrepentant on Apr 27, 2004 22:30:43 GMT
if i remember correctly the front page of the N.Y.C. newspaper then had a photo of the dead lennon, laying "in repose". yoko had to have authorized that.
it was a powerful image....that issue is now worth $$$$.
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Post by BillyJones on Apr 28, 2004 13:57:59 GMT
Sharp, eh? How about the record she released shortly after his death, with a photo of his bloody glasses on the cover. Now THAT was a POWERFUL image too! That woman has a heart like the Grinch ( in the beginning of the cartoon ).
As far as Yoko shrieking, your right Abbey, the cat DOES sound better ;D
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