Hamlet
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Post by Hamlet on Nov 29, 2004 4:43:23 GMT
Lennon in 1966 "more famous than JC" inteview:
"Christianity will go..."
Illuminati seeks the destruction of christianity
Lennon putting "5" clues in Sgt Pepper, Abbey Road,
5 is Illuminati number
Lennon putting "devil sign" over Faul in YEllow Submarine
the sign is identification of illuminati related
Just makes me think, did Lennon knew of Illuminati well in 1966 or before? Was he involved in some way?
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Post by unrepentant on Jan 3, 2005 21:58:30 GMT
the two instances with "FIVE o'clock" being mentioned in SGT. PEPPER?
and we can't forget, "somebody needs to know the time, glad that i'm here" can we. by the way, do you recall how many times those chimes ring at the begining of STARTING OVER? how about the bells at the begining of MOTHER?
not only do i believe the erudite john lennon knew about the illumanati, i have heard it claimed that the beatles were chosen for superstardom by them as soon as they won that critics poll in england in the early 60's. lennon knew they were part of a bargain with shadowy characters as soon as EMI signed them.
that is what the "illuminati" do.
we tend to get hung up on names with things like this, we have a tape loop of "illuminati" playing in our heads when these conspiracy theories are thought about. but it isn't important what we CALL the most powerful people at the top of the pyramid, it is how accurately we conceive of their doings...... the whole nature of a conspiracy is we see the finished product in the media, not the procedings which yielded that. someone said that legistlation and sausage are the two things one should never see the making of.... i think i would throw in carreers to that list. ;D
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Post by abbey on Jan 4, 2005 14:00:34 GMT
unrepentant, brilliant post !
Thank you for your insight ;D
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Post by truthlover on Feb 14, 2005 5:51:45 GMT
lennon definetely had some inside knowledge, hence his statement in playboy "they made lsd to control us, it frees us instead"(paraphrase) let us not forget, imagine-an nwo song. also, his killer was reading catcher in the rye after lennon was killed, which is an important mind control book. yoko was an occultist, so was john. maybe they killed him because he turned, or maybe they wanted immortalize songs like imagine to bring in you know what.....
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Post by Perplexed on Feb 14, 2005 5:59:17 GMT
unrepentant, truthlover, and hamlet---- bravo. very insightful posts.
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Post by Delta on Feb 14, 2005 22:03:47 GMT
to be honest, i find that calling "imagine" an nwo-anthem rather shallow. i can see why some of us think that it is, because of "imagine there's no countries - it isn't hard to do - nothing to kill or die for - and no religion, too".
but we forget that division among people(s) is a major tool for the nwo-clan to control us, in the name of "divide and conquer". religion and nationalism are two types of division.
i agree that a new world order means that independent, sovereign nations cease to exist (are there any of them left anyway?) and are brought together under one, worldwide (socialist) government.
but one can argue that returning to smaller, self-governing, self-sustaining and peaceful communities without a superseeding national or federal government (and with a totally different view on economics, of course) also renders the concept of "countries" useless.
as for religion, i am of the opinion that the term "religion" has very little to do with God or spiritualism. the term "religion", to me, only stands for suppression and mind control, leading to nothing but agony, whether it be within or between religious groups. i can't see any wrong in getting rid of this. this does not mean, i.m.o., getting rid of believing in God, but only of the organizations exploiting this. i like to think that this is what lennon was referring to.
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Post by abbey on Feb 15, 2005 16:42:28 GMT
Delta, brilliant as usual.
as for religion, i am of the opinion that the term "religion" has very little to do with God or spiritualism. the term "religion", to me, only stands for suppression and mind control, leading to nothing but agony, whether it be within or between religious groups. i can't see any wrong in getting rid of this. this does not mean, i.m.o., getting rid of believing in God, but only of the organizations exploiting this. i like to think that this is what lennon was referring to.
I agree with you 100% ;D
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Post by trapacero on May 8, 2005 14:46:54 GMT
John may have written Imagine out of a deal with his illuminatus masters; but I also belive he wasn´t entirely subjected to them as Faul is. Proof may be the song itself, which has vague NWO references,combined with a message to live peacefully and break thru the illuminatus barriers set upon us; in response to this they progressively destroyed his mind.
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Post by cavendish on May 11, 2005 16:02:56 GMT
Poor John
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Post by The Duke of Spiders on May 13, 2005 20:53:57 GMT
Pardon my ignorance, I've seen a number of these posts mentioning the illumati, what/who are they?
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Post by defhermit on May 13, 2005 21:49:24 GMT
oh boy....
you'd be best served looking up the illuminati on your own...
they were originally a bavarian sect that was supposedly broken up when it was found out that they were plotting against the king (or something like that) this is like centuries ago... the story is that they only SEEMED to be broken up, but they actually went into secrecy where they exist to this day plotting and controlling virtually everything in the world...
it's not really important if what we refer to as "the illuminati" today is actually connected to the bavarian sect... nowadays the term illuminati generally just refers to "the powers that be" behind the scenes, whoever they are for real... tavistock, freemasons, satan worshippers, bildergerbers, etc...
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Post by abbey on May 24, 2005 15:24:47 GMT
In defense of John, let me say that the remark about Christianity was taken out of context when printed in the USA.
But, having been a teen back then, I would never admit to saying my nightly prayers because that was not "cool" (Christianity); but ask me if I were a Beatle fan and you would get a resounding "Yeah, yeah, yeah"! So I understood what Lennon was saying. And I didn't reside in the Bible Belt. Thankfully!!!
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Post by gracemer on May 24, 2005 17:18:24 GMT
You can't very well get rid of religions without getting rid of the people who believe in those religions!!! As I've stated before, the problem with no boundaries, no nations, etc. (and it's going to happen folks--it's happening right now) is that there will then be a single ruler of the whole world who will permit no religion but his religion. The bible calls him the antichrist. Our greatest protection in a world of trouble is the individual nation/state. Remember WWII? There were other countries to flee to if your country came under Nazi control. When you have your precious NWO where there are no boundaries, there will be no place to run or hide from the coming horror. Every place on earth will be run by this guy. Yeah, I said NWO. What did you think? By desiring a no-boundary world you're espousing what the globalists want with a passion. When you say you want to get rid of religions, you're also agreeing with them. They want to get rid of it too, and the way to do that is to kill, kill, kill. Satan runs the Illuminati and all secret societies and the globalists and all false religious systems. You're buying right into his program under the delusion that you're more civilized and knowledgeable than us poor religious fanatics (who need to be killed). You didn't say kill, but that's the bottom line if you do any REAL thinking about what's comin' out yo' moufs. Sheesh.
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Post by defhermit on May 24, 2005 20:35:47 GMT
You can't very well get rid of religions without getting rid of the people who believe in those religions!!! As I've stated before, the problem with no boundaries, no nations, etc. (and it's going to happen folks--it's happening right now) is that there will then be a single ruler of the whole world who will permit no religion but his religion. The bible calls him the antichrist. Our greatest protection in a world of trouble is the individual nation/state. Remember WWII? There were other countries to flee to if your country came under Nazi control. When you have your precious NWO where there are no boundaries, there will be no place to run or hide from the coming horror. Every place on earth will be run by this guy. Yeah, I said NWO. What did you think? By desiring a no-boundary world you're espousing what the globalists want with a passion. When you say you want to get rid of religions, you're also agreeing with them. They want to get rid of it too, and the way to do that is to kill, kill, kill. Satan runs the Illuminati and all secret societies and the globalists and all false religious systems. You're buying right into his program under the delusion that you're more civilized and knowledgeable than us poor religious fanatics (who need to be killed). You didn't say kill, but that's the bottom line if you do any REAL thinking about what's comin' out yo' moufs. Sheesh. I think religious fanatics should be thrown in wells.
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Post by goldberry on May 25, 2005 1:14:38 GMT
I think religious fanatics should be thrown in wells. Hallelujah to that
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Post by The Taxman on May 25, 2005 3:09:37 GMT
One of the good things for you, def, is that you'll be able to turn in any of the "undesirables" and "religious fanatics" who bug you with their secret meetings and such, and get to see them killed. Woweee!!!
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Post by abbey on May 27, 2005 19:26:53 GMT
Didn't mean to start another war by saying I was glad not to have lived in the Bible Belt. I just meant that, even watching re-runs of it today, it was so ridiculous to see all these kids burning all their Beatle stuff because of something their preacher claimed. They were like sheep marching off a cliff. As a side note, I lived in the great state of Texas from 12/67 to 6/71. I never heard of John's song "The Ballad of John and Yoko" (Christ, you know it ain't easy) However, after returning to my home state and discovering said record, I took it back and played it as loud as I could while cleaning house This was in 1968, BTW No one ever said a word to this rebellious Yank
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Post by defhermit on May 27, 2005 19:41:46 GMT
One of the good things for you, def, is that you'll be able to turn in any of the "undesirables" and "religious fanatics" who bug you with their secret meetings and such, and get to see them killed. Woweee!!! Swwweeeet!
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Post by cavendish on May 27, 2005 20:43:10 GMT
SMA, you're incorrigible ;D
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madtitan125
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Post by madtitan125 on May 28, 2005 10:20:13 GMT
Defhermit, you obviously have done your research on the world system. I just don't get why you keep denying the spiritual aspect of all of this? I think it would be obvious to someone of your intellect that it is obvious the powers that be know something they don't want you to know? Do you think the world's elite have been converging on the Bohemian Grove and performing ancient Canaanite sacrifices for no reason at all? I don't think so. The elite's knowledge of this planet's true history and destiny has been known to them since the beginning . Only recently (the 50's) have the fallen ones made contact with some of this planet's inhabitants (the globalists - Illuminati). This explains the sudden advent of technology during recent decades. This, much the same, as how the Sumerian and Egyptian empires just apparently appeared on the scene, without any evidence of history or growth. This all goes back to the worship of Moloch and Astarte. This is the ancient Babylonian religion. Unfortunately, these entities are actual real beings. Ancient Mesopatamian statues of Astarte depict her wearing a space suit and helmet. She allegedly is located on the moon. This is where we get the story of Easter. The queen of heaven falling from heaven to earth. In an egg! The Bohemians make a sacrifice to a giant white stone owl Moloch. Moloch is even located on the front of your one dollar bill (in left curve on outside of shield containinng the "1"). These ancient ones who fell to earth are here and have always been here. Only the elite have contact with them, and take orders from them. The Mayans also had contact with them, Lord Pacal the sun god, in particular. Anyway, 2012 signals the end of the 11th year after the sun's 11-year cycles have stopped functioning permanently during this era of mankind. There is a lot of video documenting the existence of these entitities. Please see www.coasttocoastam.com home page, story titled Summoning UFOs. There is more to all of this than what we have been led to believe: Here, there is a link to the local Las Vegas ABC-TV news station's website. Here, you can see this guy actually summon an orange craft on command. This, all captured by the news team and broadcast on the evening news. Things some call "religious" are actually things of a spiritual nature. And even these things are bound by the scientific laws of creation. Such as things we learned in Biology 1A., such as life comes from life, and that there is no such thing as spontaneous generation. These forces are the same ones that masterminded the Tav Institute, the Bilderbergers, The Illuminati, etc. These are the same forces that assuredly called for the murder of James Paul. Anyway, comments about that UFO? I have a feeling this sighting is only the beginning of what we are destined to see in the upcoming years ahead we have left here.
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Post by defhermit on May 28, 2005 16:56:34 GMT
hey mad, I'm pretty aware of all the bohemian, moloch related stuff, but I hadn't heard of the astarte stuff.... I had heard of easter connection to a babylonian or older religion's entity, but I thought it was "Esther" or "Oster" or something like that... a goddess of fertility or something? and it being a symbol of fertility is why the symbols of the egg and bunnies (screw like rabbits) were carried over when the catholics usurped it to mean something else...
I'll read more about the ufo story you talk about...
I don't doubt that these religious aspects exist... I don't think I have to believe in them to understand and try to figure them out. Why can't I believe that there might be other personalities influencing mankind without ascribing magical/spiritual aspects to them?
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madtitan125
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Post by madtitan125 on May 29, 2005 0:07:36 GMT
Hey Defhermit, well, whatever has been influencing (controlling?) mankind's destiny all this time definitely isn't of a human origin. I guess we could look at this from the viewpoint that maybe these entities are just extraterrestial creatures, or that they have a spiritual origin. Hard to believe we have approx. 6000 yrs of recorded human history, and that we just happened to come up with all of this micro & nanotechnology. Computers, too? It's way too much, too fast to make real sense. People can barely operate computers (including me), much less be expected to have the capacity to invent/design things like silicon microchips, etc. Mankind's pride blinds them to the sheer impossibility of this. This era of humanity's advent of technology - COINCIDENCE - just happens to pop up when all kinds of documented sightings start in the 50's? Probably not. Whatever these entities are, and apparently there are all types of them, I believe we're going to all have accept their existence eventually. Very quietly, a couple of days ago, the Brazillian government released documents acknowledging the existence of discs and other entities www.earthfiles.com. As that video I referred you to shows, they seem to be ready to actually address us personally. They don't have any need to for themselves. They are just going to do this as one of the many precursors to the grand finale. They probably need to do some pre-catastrophe preparations they won't be able to do clandestinely. So now is a good as time sas any. Whatever these entities are, fallen angels or another advanced race we know little about, they have been behind all of the world's STORYLINE all of this time. Unfortunately, very little has ever happened randomly or unplanned. Very little we can take credit for. But what we can be proud of is that we have love, and that's everything. I personally think a lot of the different melodies and tones evoked in music (especially Beatles stuff) probably did have some type of unknown source. It's just too timeless, too perfect to be only the musings of 4 Liverpool lads after all. So, Def, there are different ways of looking at the origins of all this. I just think there is something to the Biblical story of angels supposed to be serving a great creator, then rebelling, then getting thrown out of heaven and being stuck down here with us. Most biblical stories have an older, Sumerian or Mesopatamian origin to them. And the Sumerian writings say that the gods of Sumeria are coming back. They are already here.
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Post by gracemer on May 29, 2005 6:14:23 GMT
Nephalim. We had a little discussion about it on the Spiritual board. So these scientists, when they went to sleep, were taken to an out-of-body school where they were taught advanced stuff...which is how the Xerox process was developed, as well as computers.
"...in the last days knowledge will be increased."
Man no way thought this stuff up.
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Post by madtitan125 on May 29, 2005 10:32:32 GMT
The UFO summons video is already off of the Coast To Coast AM site.
A man, accompanied by an ABC-TV local affiliate news team, actually prays and here comes the orange glowing orb. It just comes right out of a cloud. On command!
I think this is really must-see. If anyone is interested, privately e-mail me & I will try to give you instructions on how I may be able to get this to you.
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Post by madtitan125 on May 31, 2005 1:46:47 GMT
Quick note: The UFO video is back up on the C2C site again. I would definitely download & save this. This guy actually summons a UFO and it comes right out of the cloud!
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