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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 20, 2005 5:37:50 GMT
Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:50:40 IST Lennon widows keento put record straight John Lennon's widows are preparing to go head-to-head over the former Beatle's life and legacy in two conflicting 'biographies', says Tom Leonard in 'The Daily Telegraph.' John Lennon's widows are preparing to go head-to-head over the former Beatle's life and legacy in two conflicting 'biographies', says Tom Leonard in 'The Daily Telegraph'. An American-made musical about Lennon's life, which has been approved by his second wife Yoko Ono, will be opening on Broadway just a few months before the publication of a Lennon book by his first wife, Cynthia.The musical, whose script was 'authorised' by Ono before she gave permission for producers to use songs from Lennon's solo career, is likely to reopen old wounds in her relationship with others who were close to him.Ono and billy McCartney have long argued over song rights. The musical's producers have chosen to ignore almost all of Lennon's output while in the Beatles, particularly the songs he wrote with McCartney, and concentrate on his later life with Ono.She has donated two previously unreleased love songs to the production, one of which she claims Lennon wrote about her while he was still married to Cynthia.Ono married Lennon in 1969, after an affair which Cynthia first learnt about from a newspaper article. Sources close to Cynthia, who had a son, Julian, with Lennon during their seven-year marriage, say that she will be 'honest' about Ono in her book, which is simply titled John and will be published by Hodder & Stoughton in September.Although she wrote another book about Lennon some years ago, she says that this one will include 'so much that I have never said, so many incidents that I have never spoken of and so many feelings I have never expressed -- great love on one hand; pain and torment on the other.' Now 65, Cynthia met Lennon in 1958 at Liverpool College of Art, where they were both studying lettering. They married four years later. The marriage has often been portrayed as an unequal one, in which Cynthia was far more devoted to her husband than he was to her. "The time has come when I feel ready to tell the truth about John and me, our years together and the years since his death," she said."Only I know what happened between us -- why we stayed together, why we parted and the price I paid for having been John's wife."She says that she decided to write a book now because, having tried to live an 'ordinary life' since Lennon's death in 1980, "I have come to realise that I will always be known as John's first wife."Meanwhile, the musical producers have made it quite clear whose version of Lennon's life they favour.The production's official website makes only a passing reference to Cynthia but describes Ono as Lennon's 'true love'. Turning on its head the conventional wisdom that Lennon wrote his best songs for the Beatles, the musical will include only a couple of very early songs by the hand. Don Scardino, the musical's director and a self-proclaimed 'huge Beatles fan', said he believed that Lennon would have wanted to focus on his solo career.'He wasn't very interested in the Beatles' music,' Scardino said.'It was an aesthetic choice to leave out the Beatles music. We do have early Beatles songs in the show but not from the Lennon-McCartney catalogue.' The musical 'will tell the story of John Lennon's life, using Lennon's own words and 27 of his songs,' he said, adding that Ono, 72, had 'approved' the script and sat in on all the casting sessions."I asked her a lot of questions, for historical accuracy or for her feelings about certain things, and she made some wonderful suggestions, all of which I use," Scardino said. "But she has allowed me to tell the story in my own way, from my point of view, which is very generous."" Bombay Afternoon Despatch & Courier
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Post by abbey on Mar 21, 2005 16:47:45 GMT
How nauseating ! Somehow, I believe that John would've given Cynthia a fair shake. I'm sure that she knows things about John that people would like to find out. Miss Joko seems to be the approved expert on John Winston Lennon. PAALLEEZZEE !!!
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Post by gracemer on Mar 21, 2005 17:27:11 GMT
But does Cyn know anything to his credit? Granted, I only read one book, "The Love You Make," but John treated her shamefully.
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Post by abbey on Mar 21, 2005 19:47:37 GMT
I'm sure that Cyn must have some good things to say about John. She doesn't seem the spiteful type. It would look truly awful if she wrote a book SLAMMING a man who has been dead for 25 years
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Post by peoplescommittee on Mar 23, 2005 1:21:41 GMT
Cynthia has two books. Yoko has none. This is her first book. Cut "Miss Joko" some slack. She's not as two-dimensional and evil as 60IF puts it. She's done a lot for peace, she's produced some enduring work, and with all the fans lambasting her in the press and elsewhere, I'd say she damn well earned John's money, after all she went through. Besides, who's to say she's not preparing something for Sean once she's gone? There are two sides to every coin and you're ignoring one side of this one.
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Post by abbey on Mar 23, 2005 17:00:51 GMT
I have my reasons for disliking her & it has NOTHING to do with Sean. Sean is John's son. He has stood up AGAINST the travesty that ensued after his dad's death. He knows WHO killed his father & WHY.
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Post by gracemer on Mar 24, 2005 7:09:04 GMT
I'm sure that Cyn must have some good things to say about John. She doesn't seem the spiteful type. It would look truly awful if she wrote a book SLAMMING a man who has been dead for 25 years I'm sure Cyn has something nice to say, but the author of that book sure didn't. I feel bad for her.
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Post by abbey on Mar 25, 2005 17:25:53 GMT
So do I, gracemer. John was one messed up dude, when he was with her
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Post by peoplescommittee on Apr 24, 2005 1:42:02 GMT
But we must face the facts: he was happier with Yoko than with Cynthia. Whatever made John happy matters in the end.
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Post by Jilli on Apr 26, 2005 3:19:19 GMT
Im going to put myself out on a limb here, because I think Yoko saved John's life. When she met him he was on the quick spiral down. I dont particularly like her, but for John she was there and that was what was important. I think because of her we got John for as long as we did or he might have been one of those rockers that died of a drug overdose or some such thing.
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Post by abbey on May 13, 2005 2:12:40 GMT
Yoko saved John's live like a praying mantis reveres her mate! For those who don't know: After mating the female bites off the males head. Yoko never, ever loved John. She put him under her spell and controlled him. She wanted his fame and his name and his money....nothing else! When he was at his lowest, she stepped in with a harness, called heroin, and lead him around like a trophy catch. Here is a picture of Johnny's corpse: WARNING: The following link shows an image which may be offensive to some people. We advise discretion. - PB img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/WlarusGirl/Johncorpse.jpg Isn't there something missing from the side of his head....like and ear? Do you see anything wrong in this picture?? Look closely at the side of his head Now there is only one person who could get that close to the corpse in the hospital morgue and disfigure it and that would be?..........Why none other than the grieving, yeah, right, widow [black widow] Yoko!! Yoko was the one who fired the killing bullet. Chapman was no more than her patsy. John was starting to fight his way through the haze and straighten himself out and she could not let that happen. John didn't really give a rat's arse about peace. All that crap was Yoko. Not that she really cared. She just wanted to see her name linked with John's in the headlines. John was not a pacifist. BTW, by European standards, the first born male inherits everything! John was born and raised as a Brit, right? He would never have written Julian out of his will. Yoko did that and just told John to sign, telling him it was some blah, blah, blah. He did and it wrote Julian out of the will and left everything to her and Sean. Julian and Sean should have had a 50-50 split! She is evil incarnate!!!!!
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Post by Perplexed on May 13, 2005 5:26:55 GMT
That picture..... OK< that was a shock, a bit of one, and painful to look at. Yet, its like I'd seen it before.....was it in a magazine at the time? In most families, one son gets a shorter end of the stick. Sometimes its the son's fault. And, sometimes it isn't. Time will tell. What kind of person is Yoko? I don't really know. Hard to tell. She has an unsearchable face. A little severe at first glance--but underneath, I felt (when I saw her that one time in public when she visited my town and passed through the museum/arts complex I was working for at the time)I felt underneath there was a far more tender, vulnerable person than the face she has learned to wear. Who among us wants to try fame on for size? It's probably not always a good fit! I wouldn't know, but the older I get (thank God) the more I realize that what you are doing is more rewarding that what someone else did, OR what you think you "wannabe." From doing, you become something unique and useful unto itself, that's where the reward is. And as far as fame; "being famous" is a temporal condition denied to most but visited upon a few people by special circumstance, i.e. excessive public recognition. It can come and go in a minute; like the song said, as much as some need it, others (John Lennon) came (in my opinion) to want to minimize it. He just wanted to be real, regular. Famous people aren't always allowed that luxury. "Being treated regular" is an on-going condition available to most but severely restricted for a few people by the special circumstance of excessive public recognition: i.e. Fame. I feel sure that fame is enjoyed at least part of the time by many people. But for most, there must be that occasional lapse into wishing to be unnoticed, unimportant, unproductive, and even, insignificant. For these moments, a celebrity may occasional respond like this when asked, "Howdoesitfeel to be What's-his-name?" "At this exact moment, it sucks." SUCKS: A colloquial reference to the powerful suction that results when the dynamic pull of one-way air-intake is applied, via highly pressurized, systemic coupling, to cause motion to a material, or object(s) in a sealed tube. More often cylindrical. (!) Pre-requisite to this is a condition of vacuum. Leaks can be fatal to the process. The "objects" which are moved are said to be "sucked" throughout a closed AND hollow system. This is made possible by the artificial imposition of a vacuum on such entities, which otherwise, would be found associating freely in natural systems. The stale, hot air of a pneumatic tube: Fame. Being forced up and down an airshaft in the dark.. John wanted to break out of it and get some fresh air. And I for one believe that Yoko tried to help John do that, as best she knew how. Post script. Fame is wonderful for the ones who can learn to manage it. It is a resource, a tool, an asset for the wise. I guess it's just knowing when and how to get in and get out of a hollow tube.
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on May 13, 2005 11:14:39 GMT
Yoko was the one who fired the killing bullet. Chapman was no more than her patsy. John was starting to fight his way through the haze and straighten himself out and she could not let that happen. responded with another quote ;-) (about Double Fantasy) I have heard a clip of the message and it really does sound like that! I will find it again and post it here sometime.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on May 13, 2005 12:18:41 GMT
Creepy! And, I bought my copy of "Double Fantasy" about a week before Lennon was shot." Well your profile page says you're 13. So the plot thickens!
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Post by defhermit on May 13, 2005 17:19:18 GMT
I'd love to hear that backwards Yoko song....
if she says the song title "kiss kiss kiss" at anypoint in the song, wouldn't the natrual backwards of that be "sick sick sick"?
im gonna look that up
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Post by BeatlePaul on May 13, 2005 17:40:57 GMT
I'd love to hear that backwards Yoko song.... if she says the song title "kiss kiss kiss" at anypoint in the song, wouldn't the natrual backwards of that be "sick sick sick"? im gonna look that up Or just ... K K K ?
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Post by abbey on May 13, 2005 19:59:38 GMT
What does RRD's age have to do with anything? Maybe he is more observant. He has more time to delve into this than some of us. I wouldn't doubt what he is saying at all!! She planned John's murder. Chapman is a dupe.
Yoko is evil. Why did we not hear or see anything about her throwing something at the killer or kneeling and sobbing over her husband or holding him close......that's what a loving wife would do. And she was shacked up with a some guy within months of John's death and married the man before John was dead a year!
Remember Yoko was the one into the voodoo and occult. And she was the when telling people to fly north to get south, etc. Whatever hoodoo that crap was!!!!
And what is wrong with John's head? I would love an answer to where did his ear go?
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Post by defhermit on May 13, 2005 20:49:40 GMT
SMA, totally... I'd like to see more/better pictures of his corpse.
There is very little doubt that Yoko was a negative influence, and that if the CIA was at all involved in John's death that Yoko was likely involved as well. This is assuming that it's true that she is the one who got him hooked on drugs and kept him on them...
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Post by byrdsmaniac on May 13, 2005 21:58:53 GMT
What does RRD's age have to do with anything? If he's 13 he wasn't alive when John was shot, and could not have bought the album at that time. I meant it as a light-hearted barb: he should update his profile. I respect his input. In fact, I was thinking "This kid must be a genius to know all this stuff at such a tender age!" Now I know he must be older.
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Post by abbey on May 14, 2005 5:16:57 GMT
SMA, totally... I'd like to see more/better pictures of his corpse. There is very little doubt that Yoko was a negative influence, and that if the CIA was at all involved in John's death that Yoko was likely involved as well. This is assuming that it's true that she is the one who got him hooked on drugs and kept him on them... I would love a better shot, too. But you can tell there is definitely something wrong. Probably whoever managed to snap that picture probably had to slip in and slip out in a hurry. There is no way Yoko sanctioned that picture. Possibly someone suspected something fishy even back then and took that picture to prove a point.
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on May 15, 2005 12:03:56 GMT
Actually, that was a quote from another website, I of course wasn't alive then Don't worry, MFH got that wrong too ;D I'll change it to a quote so more people don't get confused.
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Post by gracemer on May 15, 2005 21:30:20 GMT
Hey, we're investigating murders here! You're gonna see stuff. This is a picture Yoko took of John's glasses after he was murdered. This is Yoko's idea of "art." The Lennon pic was mild compared to Paul's. So, Sis. Couldn't that be John's ear with all the detail washed out by the bright light? I think I see a curve. But something else was done to him. By law, doesn't there have to be an autopsy when murder is involved? Couldn't the medical examiner have done things to his head to extract the bullets and that would explain the strangeness of the picture?
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Post by TPIMaster on May 15, 2005 22:17:31 GMT
I'd love to hear that backwards Yoko song.... if she says the song title "kiss kiss kiss" at anypoint in the song, wouldn't the natrual backwards of that be "sick sick sick"? im gonna look that up When it comes to playing stuff backwards, I'm the number one source Sick sick sick or 666 or whatever you want to hear... members.lycos.nl/beatlepalooza/KissKissKiss3.mp3And of course, there's "I shot John Lennon" in the beginning when playing that first line backwards. members.lycos.nl/beatlepalooza/KissKissKiss2.mp3What I also noticed when playing it backwards, was that the cries at the end are warnings when played backwards. Heeeeheee, I found a backwards message all by myself!! ;D "Watch out!" and "Attend!" (Coincidentially "Watch out" in french, said with a french accent) members.lycos.nl/beatlepalooza/KissKissKiss1.mp3Yoko warning John that he was in danger?
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Post by cavendish on May 16, 2005 17:12:54 GMT
I agree. Yoko is EVIL INCARNATE !
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Post by abbey on May 16, 2005 17:56:57 GMT
gracemer, I only know that the picture is really strange and something happened to the side of his head. Yes, they are supposed to do any autopsy when someone's been murdered; however, since they knew the cause of death and already (they thought) had apprehended the killer, they dispensed with that. Besides, Yoko would have had clout. It always has made me wonder why she cremated his body so quickly and why she DID NOT notify Julian, Bill or anyone else until AFTER the body was cremated. No one got to say "good bye" to their mate/father. That is not fair to the living and doesn't allow the living closure. What was the hurry to cremate him? And why cremate? So there would not be a body to exhume and examine later on? ? Yes, with a murder investigation there needs to be photos for examination. [Think what cops have to see and investigate]. Paul's poor corpse looked a whole lot worse than John's and yet we have it for viewing and to see what was found by the others. John looked like he was "Only Sleeping", other than the funny shaped side of his head. I have always consider it sick of Yoko to display John's blood stained glasses and call it art. Doesn't seem like much of a grieving widow. More like a greeding, cold-hearted witch. If people want to be squeamish, then sorry, better stop reading at this point To do an autopsy they cut and then peel the skin back from the forehead to get to the brain. {Similar to scalping} They can also peel the face off. These things are all put back and "fixed" for the funeral if it is open casket.
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