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Post by 17thBeatle on Jul 29, 2003 6:09:50 GMT
Hello all,
I wanted to relate a few facts about the cover of Faul's "Red Rose Speedway" album(1973). Perhaps these have already been spoken of, but I would like you to take a good look at this cover because I think it's reasonable to suggest that it supports the 60IF document:
* Faul has a large red rose in his mouth, which completely covers his chin and upper lip. Perhaps it is covering the latest round of plastic surgery.
* Faul's eyes are clearly a light hazel color. As we all know, Paul's eyes were a rich dark brown.
* Faul's hair seems to be a much lighter brown than it was in the early sixties. There appears to be a reddish light shining on the left side of his face, but this would not account for the lightness of hair and eyes, since the right side of his face is shaded from the light.
I would be interested in your assessment of other solo/Wings Album cover clues/evidence.
Thank you!
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Post by 17thBeatle on Jul 29, 2003 6:27:43 GMT
Thank you xpt626 for posting the "Red Rose Speedway" album cover as my scanner is on the fritz!
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Post by Forum Manager on Jul 29, 2003 18:32:37 GMT
well faul kind of has a blank face, as if he were dead. and the red rose could be like, bringing flowers to a grave
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Post by 17thBeatle on Jul 30, 2003 13:34:16 GMT
Yes, exactly. It appears he is prostrate on top of a motorcycle... perhaps a staged fatal motor accident on the side of the road. I think definitely the rose signifies death or even perhaps blood coming from the mouth and mangled lips, according to 60IF.
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 1, 2003 1:37:50 GMT
yeah that could be!
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Post by Chris on Aug 2, 2003 1:23:17 GMT
  you guys are just GROSS ( only kidding )... Yep... Look at the fine lines in his forehead. Don't forget that he is 10 years older then Paul !!! Love to all.... Chris ;D
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Post by LUCY on Aug 25, 2003 23:39:44 GMT
Sub rosa is the latin term for utimate secrecy. Long ago they would suspend a rose over the dinner table to remind all that conversations were to be kept to them selves.
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 26, 2003 0:08:34 GMT
hence the rose in his mouth! he was reminding himself to keep his secret to himself!!!   |
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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 27, 2003 1:25:12 GMT
Yes, exactly. It appears he is prostrate on top of a motorcycle... perhaps a staged fatal motor accident on the side of the road. I think definitely the rose signifies death or even perhaps blood coming from the mouth and mangled lips, according to 60IF. The problem with a lot of your logic is that it is too analytical. Everything is a clue. It's just a picture; what difference does it make? Not everything has to be a clue, and a lot of this seems too stretchy. It's like if they say the word "the" in a song then it seems that Paul McCartney was killed by man-eating lobsters. C'mon now. |
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 27, 2003 16:46:02 GMT
thanx xpt.
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Post by Chris on Aug 27, 2003 17:13:50 GMT
I agree. It gets very tiresome having people come here & mock us & try to knock us down. I know that I feel that Faul is a disgrace to Paul's name. The fact that even in his advanced age, he doesn't care. That he'd be willing to leave posterity believing in this fallacy. To take credit for another man's work. For his heart felt feelings. That's what Paul put into EVERY ONE of his songs !!! It makes me physically ill, just thinking about it !!!!  All we need is love & THE TRUTH !!!!! Chris  
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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 27, 2003 19:48:18 GMT
I am contributing, and I am not mocking. If you feel mocked, then it is not my fault.
However, this is for the discussion of clues, and I'm discussing things that seem awkward. I haven't said negative things about anyBODY, just some of the clues being presented. I mean, why have clues if they can't be refuted or debated in the process? In that case, every clue you give is correct just because, and that wouldn't be fair.
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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 28, 2003 23:59:38 GMT
It's meant for a joke, so that would just mean you're a bit too touchy. However, it proves a point that so much of this is stretchy and ridiculous. That's not mocking; it's just rightfully harsh. |
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Post by Nortatem on Sept 6, 2003 7:18:12 GMT
I am in full agreement with JohnJakeUp. The truth is out there. and I am a skeptick. I first found this site and thought this must be based on the initial "HOAX" info from the past. However, I do remember that I started seing evidence that made me think,"MAYBE PAUL REALLY DID DIE?" However, I got to say that not every thing can be a clue, but coincidences can be the evidence of the guilty mind. You subconcious comes out as a musician or writer, so why not have an artist interpretation be a clue by proxy. Purely coincidental and non-deliberate.
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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 18, 2003 22:07:27 GMT
Sub rosa is the latin term for utimate secrecy. Long ago they would suspend a rose over the dinner table to remind all that conversations were to be kept to them selves. Also, the RED rose is the symbol of the ancient order of the Rosicrucians, which was "officially" disbanded but actually integrated into the Freemasons, whose highest degrees are a branch of the Illuminati. I think this cover could also mean, "I'm a Rosicrucian now, I'm never going to squeal." I wrote a huge post about this on the thread I started for my alternate theory. The red rose post is on page 4; here's the link to page 1 of that thread. 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=paul&action=display&thread=1063219993 |
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Post by Nick910 on Oct 20, 2003 13:01:28 GMT
I agree with John Jake, if you look hard enough a clue can be found anywhere. The fact Paul used a Rosa berberifolia (single rose) a sign of simplicity, might have been saying this is one of my more simple albums.
Or maybe Paul used a multiple petaled rose to symbolise pride. Pride in his new album.
Or maybe he just liked the look of a red rose.
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Post by Karma76 on Oct 20, 2003 13:48:45 GMT
* Faul's eyes are clearly a light hazel color. As we all know, Paul's eyes were a rich dark brown. Actually i talked about this in another post. I have similar eye color and people think my eyes are brown. in some pictures they look brown in others they do not. I have seen some pictures of James Paul that he clearly has hazel eyes. |
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Post by SunKing on Oct 20, 2003 13:52:46 GMT
Actually i talked about this in another post. I have similar eye color and people think my eyes are brown. in some pictures they look brown in others they do not. I have seen some pictures of James Paul that he clearly has hazel eyes. Then? |
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Post by Karma76 on Oct 20, 2003 14:03:39 GMT
Then what? John Paul had hazel eyes too. most pix were blakc and white and it was harder to tell the colored ones he clearly had the same eye color as me and my sister and we are ALWAYS mistaken for brown in certain photos or far away. But other photos i saw of john paul i could clearly see he had hazel eyes too. they were not rich brown
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Post by SunKing on Oct 20, 2003 14:09:40 GMT
Then what? John Paul had hazel eyes too. most pix were blakc and white and it was harder to tell the colored ones he clearly had the same eye color as me and my sister and we are ALWAYS mistaken for brown in certain photos or far away. But other photos i saw of john paul i could clearly see he had hazel eyes too. they were not rich brown Which photos have you seen? Those from the "Anthology" collection perhaps? xpt626 and I have ORIGINAL documents from 1965-1967 and James Paul's eyes are ALWAYS rich brown. BTW Who is John Paul? |
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Post by Karma76 on Oct 20, 2003 14:19:44 GMT
James sorry, i meant and on the 60IF document. some of the pictures...i can tell his eyes are NOT rich brown, they aren't esepcially the one he is holding the drink. Like i said I have simialr eye color so I can completely tell hazel from dark rich brown easy!! to others may look brown but technically are not.
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Post by Curious on Oct 20, 2003 14:24:54 GMT
Most members of my family - except me and my son - have hazel eyes. Pauls eyes in the pic where he's holding the drink are NOT hazel - they are most definitely brown. Even if you blow up the photo, you can still see they are brown, without a hint of green or blue. So, are you now going to tell ME I don't know what I'm looking for when it comes to eye colour?
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Post by Karma76 on Oct 20, 2003 14:32:13 GMT
Um no chill....who can blow it up. who has more color photos from 1966 back??? we need some colors
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Post by Curious on Oct 20, 2003 14:45:00 GMT
I was going to nip into town and get hold of a calendar today, but haven't had time. I'll go in tomorrow. In my opinion, you can easily tell which pictures have bee doctored.
And I didn't mean to come across as harsh - I just resented the fact that you claimed that you were better qualified than anyone else here to tell eye colour.
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Post by Karma76 on Oct 20, 2003 14:50:42 GMT
Not what i was saying curious. I am saying I have NUMEROUS picture of myself and my sister where we look dark brown....but we technically are not. it was funny i had an eye doctor who looks at me and then looks back in the lens then looks at me and says whoa you have hazel green/blue eyes, i said i know. haha. people notice it more in photos shot in light or closer up. that is all i am saying. it is VERY hard to tell in a black and white photos and it seems a good majority of the ones in color i have seen are extemely far away and dark or black and white is all. I was saying it out of frustration cause i am a prime example of the hazel factor. so i can be a little more weary it is all.
Much love curious so do not worry
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you guys are just GROSS ( only kidding )... Yep... Look at the fine lines in his forehead. Don't forget that he is 10 years older then Paul !!!
