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Post by IanSingleton777 on Aug 24, 2003 15:16:02 GMT
It doesn't matter if readers and seekers here do not buy elements of the '60IF' document. The "irritiable bowel" LSD slant, or the KKK hooded killers bit. That is all secondary and even a moot point.
The crux of the strength for PID is simply the physical evidence presented critically and visually in such a way that objective, immediate comparison PROVES that Paul circa late '66 is NOT the same person by 1967. There can be no doubt.
I must praise this site, as all this detailed comparative evidence has never been presented in this manner before for the world to see. The humanistic power of suggestion has worked on the public basically for 30 years; you saw a photo of the band and assumed that was Paul with them, very effective without the morphing comparisons to show the amazing discrepancy.
I am keeping an open mind as to the particulars for the insertion of Faul. My gut instinct tells me certain elements of the government are much more paranoid and insecure than we think. The Beatles circa 1966 were indeed more popular --and powerful--than any religious and political figure. Egads, they were also flexing their muscles by voicing their political (or shall we say 'apolitical'?) beliefs! WARNING, Will Robinson!
The intelligence community identified Paul as the most popular at the time, and most accessible. They figured if they do away with him, the band was finished and their sway over 1/3 of the population deflated. Also, is it well within belief that governmental elements would contract the job at hand to a group such as the KKK, so as not to thread back to the spook community. If it got to the point the KKK was caught and began to talk, the FBI could simply swoop in and bust the KKK, effectively silencing them.
But, never underestimate The Beatles! They were not ready to pack it in, and played dirty psych games in return! They had unlimited resources and replaced Paul. Lennon figured it was a perfect situation as the only people who KNEW Faul was an imposter were the very elements who had KILLED Paul! Therefore, they would not 'blow the whistle' on Faul as it would implicate themselves! Brilliant. Point/counterpoint!
The numerous clues were genius too; make Big Brother squirm by leaking tantilizing tidbits to the rabid world...whosoever figures it out would be one step closer to burning the governmental shadow creeps who tried to neuter the group in the first place!
The only weak point to all this is the lack of even ONE witness or person who is willing to step forward and attest that they saw or heard anything strange or suspect concerning all this. Even the initial key players would have HAD to come home and mention something to the family; it is only human nature. This is the Achilles Heel of the situation. It must be addressed to keep the study and investigation balanced.
Paul is dead. Paul was replaced. There is court-admissible physical proof which would warrant further, official investigation. And you know that can't be bad...yeah,yeah,yeah! -Ian Singleton
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Post by SunKing on Aug 24, 2003 15:30:23 GMT
The only weak point to all this is the lack of even ONE witness or person who is willing to step forward and attest that they saw or heard anything strange or suspect concerning all this. Even the initial key players would have HAD to come home and mention something to the family; it is only human nature. This is the Achilles Heel of the situation. It must be addressed to keep the study and investigation balanced. -Ian Singleton Bill was a DIRECT friend of Mal Evans. Mal introduced Bill to Ringo. Few, very few people DIRECTLY involved. "Mal was the only person of the Beatles family to attend Paul and Linda's wedding in 1969. After the dissolution of the Beatles, Mal moved to Los Angeles, and died tragically on January 5, 1976 in a misunderstanding with the police because he had a gun. " From: www.beatlesagain.com/bmal.html |
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Post by molly on Aug 24, 2003 17:16:10 GMT
I totally agree that the physical evidence is the crux of the argument (not the various how and why stories). This is what Mother Nature's Son was addressing in his Definitive List of Reliable Clues.
And the fact that NO ONE has stepped forward all this time gets even more mind-boggling when you read the quote Darkhorse shared a couple of weeks ago (see Faul, Jane, & Linda here in Clues section). It suggests that the switch was common knowledge in some circles. Yikes, what a mystery! You're right Ian, this needs to be addressed.
(Thanks, dear Spanky, for encouraging me to post.)
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Post by pennylane on Aug 24, 2003 18:04:34 GMT
your very welcome... ;D somehow i just knew you would be a great asset to us. well done....  |
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Post by Revolver on Aug 24, 2003 18:49:05 GMT
Welcome Ian, I have read and appreciated a number of your posts. Thank you for joining. I too was stunned at the visual comparasons and went thru a bit of grief at what might have happened. We really dont know that much about Paul pre '67, but he seemed like such a happy-go-lucky lad. Admitting to LSD use really doesn't seem like our Pauly. His personality change from being a good kid to the arse (langauge restrained) I became more familiar with as I grew up at least is explained. I hated Paul McCartney for the longest time, at least now I can honestly love the 'little guy' who infatuated us all with his wit, humor, and carefree attitude that is all a part of growing up.
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Post by Matt on Aug 24, 2003 22:04:13 GMT
Also, is it well within belief that governmental elements would contract the job at hand to a group such as the KKK, so as not to thread back to the spook community. If it got to the point the KKK was caught and began to talk, the FBI could simply swoop in and bust the KKK, effectively silencing them. -Ian Singleton I also don't think the trail would end at the KKK. It wouldn't have been difficult for other agencies to motivate the KKK to such an action, considering Epstein was a "Big Jew" with lots of $$, and of course Lennon's recent Jesus remark. And the Beatles were generaly seen as a subversive and leftist influence. |
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Aug 24, 2003 22:32:12 GMT
Matt,
Of course the trail wouldn't have to end at the feet of the KKK, it would go exponentially DEEPER than them, they are the window-dressing, if you will.
The shadowy intelligence elements have always historically operated in insulated layers. For example, when Cuba was our "designated enemy" of the month, The CIA trained Cuban expatriots and a mixture of agents to go in and "overthrow" the communist government there.
The crux is, they were clever enough to use a group who were emotionally-invested in the project, or outcome wished.
In the Faul case, all the cloak-and-dagger theories are cool and interesting, but are empherical and a moot point; it doesn't matter YET who did what or why and how. What matters is that Paul was dead and replaced; we have visual evidence. The cranial and other physical changes COULD BE admissible in a fact-finding pre-trial or court.
What hangs me up is, the cooks and maids who worked for Paul/Faul at Cavendish Ave. The morgue attendents in the area of Paul's death, the policeman on the scene when his body was discovered, the lowly third engineer at Abby Road, or the custodian, etc. These people HAD to see something which was directly related to Faul coming into the picture, pun intended.
Without people like these, and their little stories, there would be no tabloids! Remember human nature; would a British constable come home from his shift, after being called to the remote spot where Beatle Paul McCartney's hidious corpse was found, and NOT mention it to the wife and kiddies? And keep it inside, as a secret, to the grave? Not bloody likely, and not likely for any and every witness who knew of the transition.... Power to the People! -ian
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Aug 24, 2003 22:36:45 GMT
Bill was a DIRECT friend of Mal Evans. Mal introduced Bill to Ringo. Few, very few people DIRECTLY involved. "Mal was the only person of the Beatles family to attend Paul and Linda's wedding in 1969. After the dissolution of the Beatles, Mal moved to Los Angeles, and died tragically on January 5, 1976 in a misunderstanding with the police because he had a gun. " From: www.beatlesagain.com/bmal.htmlOK, Sun King, OTHER than Bill, as he's not likely to help us out with info, lol. And Mal ended up like so many others from the inner circle. I am merely thinking 'outside the box' to try and stir up someone who was there, but in a not public or obvious sense... Get them to finally tell... and , I believe there HAS to be many who know stuff. Even though C2C was a hack job, it may have did much good in bringing this topic to 50 million people who never heard of it before! -Ian |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 24, 2003 23:35:59 GMT
FYI I DIRECTLY know two people who DIRECTLY know the truth.
Interesting?
But I know it's so difficult rather impossible having them as public witnesses.
Internet was and still IS the best media to spread this "kind" of news....
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Post by Revolver on Aug 25, 2003 1:01:50 GMT
S.K., these 2 known witnesses, did they compile 60IF or can they give their own accounts?
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 25, 2003 9:17:07 GMT
We don't know for sure whether or not Lennon was investigating a Klan connection, all we have is 60IF.
But it seems that from the cover of Sgt. Pepper and the later Rolling Stone referencein Dig It, it does seem Lannon for some reason did think at the time that the Rolling Stones were behind the incident with Faul.
And I don't think Lennon had the wherewithal to locate a Doppelganger himself.
I think the intelligence agencies probably were behind his death, but they spun something about the Rolling Stones to the remaining three. They got the doppelganger in place. EMI has been contracting with military intelligence for years (spy planes - public record) and was run by a knight. Do the math.
Besides removing Paul from the picture, the trauma and chaos gave the cryptocracy to literally infiltrate the Beatles and direct the chaos.
Lennon probably didn't twig on to many of the particulars or the bigger picture until after the Beatlemania had dissolved -- closer to the time of his death.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 25, 2003 9:31:26 GMT
S.K., these 2 known witnesses, did they compile 60IF or can they give their own accounts? They read "60IF" and said:"Quite genuine". One is a very important politician, the other a very important artist. The politician said: "John died because Paul died..." TotalInformation: are you into the matter? |
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 25, 2003 9:36:57 GMT
I certainly think it's possible that the KKK were manipulated into the kidnapping via the FBI which goes further back than Sept. 66. I think that taking John's statement out of context, anti-Beatles protests, record smashings etc may have been deliberate because Amercian intelligence felt threatened by this British invasion of American culture which, after more than two years, hadn't gone away.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Aug 25, 2003 14:43:54 GMT
They read "60IF" and said:"Quite genuine". One is a very important politician, the other a very important artist. The politician said: "John died because Paul died..." TotalInformation: are you into the matter? OK Sun King! NOW we're getting somewhere! Please enlighten me further on what your two direct witnesses have commented on, via private mail if you wish. Also, Since seeing this site and the evidence, it rang a bell for me that John's murder was in a whole new light. Perhaps Brian Jones, too. Is it any wonder that post-Beatles Faul would lyrically dissolve into "la,la,la" for lyrical content on a habitual basis? lol. I remember thinking then, "well, he's not the genius behind the Beatles, OBVIOUSLY..." |
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 25, 2003 21:27:49 GMT
yeah sun king, i would like to know more about the witnesses also. if u wanna send me through private message that is ok
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Post by SunKing on Aug 25, 2003 21:48:09 GMT
Please no private message.
Friends, do you remember the reason why John Winston Lennon was assassinated?
It's dangerous....too dangerous but....
..I have a filmed "witness" by one of the twos...
Unfortunately I had the other too ... but I lost that tape...
Coming soon on the "OceanChild" future site
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 25, 2003 23:58:21 GMT
we dont want your friends to get int oany trouble. but you said one of your friends have filmed the incident?  |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 26, 2003 0:07:50 GMT
A filmed statement that tells:
Nowadays McCartney is just a c....counterp.... a phantom.....then continues.....
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 26, 2003 0:10:02 GMT
ah. ok
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Post by Revolver on Aug 26, 2003 0:28:15 GMT
Sun King, one a politician? Is this why Berlisconi is taking all the heat (literally!) over there? My barber watches the Italian CNN, between spring floods & summer heat, let's bake it out of them! Oh, and isn't Picasso dead?? (At least you know how often I get my hair cut.)
You lost one of the clips? Was it stolen maybe? No chance of being found?
I dont buy the kidnapped story, I dont buy the car crash less. IBS might lead to dehydration but is not lethal. Maybe he was dying and they had more time to get a replacement and then necessary surgeries.
Enough doubting, those facial characteristics are the single most compelling 'sign' that something happened. Need more time to figure this out.
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 26, 2003 2:11:13 GMT
Suddenly Italian intelligence is getting blamed for the "misinformation" that Bush and Blair supposedly received concerning Iraq.
Trying to kill two birds with one stone?
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 27, 2003 16:33:29 GMT
well at least youre ok. im glad of that!
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 29, 2003 3:48:37 GMT
TotalInformation: are you into the matter?
I don't know anyone involved with the Beatles cover-up per se, if that's what you mean. But I have been studying these matters for some time now and indeed have toes and fingers "into" a number of fields and societies.
One project I'm working now has involved a lot of research of the KKK, however. I can say with confidence that the Klan was basically started as a project of Scottish Rite Freemasonry in the 1860s. And in the 1960s, the KKK was basically run through the apparatus of the FBI - headed by 33-degree Scottish Rite Freemason J Edgar Hoover.
One of the issues raised by Singleton on this thread was police secrecy. The police in Britain are dominated by that same Scottish Rite, (particularly when it comes to important matters such as "national security") -- and masonic oaths of secrecy carry a penalty of death for those who break them.
So, basically, the deeper levels of the KKK is the Scottish Rite. The type of Klansman manipulable enough to throw firecrackers during a concert wouldn't really be the kind capable of calmly sneaking into a foreign country, murdering a superstar and sneaking out.
Check out the work of Michael Hoffman. He got a new book on the Masonic elements if mind control and symbolism in the 9-11 incident. McCartney's death no doubt doubled as ritual sacrificefor those behind it as well as a way to control the other members of the band by inserting trauma and chaos into their lives.
Control of mass media is key to porgramming the populace. As far as the controllers are concerned, THEY "created" the Beatles by signing them to EMI and they weren't about to cede that control.
These ops were heavy in the 60s - some call it the Aquarian Conspiracy. Hoffman's done good work on the King-Kill symbolism in the JFK hilt, and you'll find high-level Masons deeply involved in the fraudulent Apollo project of NASA of you poke arond enough.
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 29, 2003 6:44:16 GMT
TotalInformation,
You mentioned the Acquarian Conspiracy. I feel some of those claims in that conspiracy are false. Many times "they" like to exaggerate or make things up. It's called bluff. "We control this" or "We were behind that" when "they" in fact had very little to do with it. But if you give in to their bluff and believe them, that can actually end up giving them the very power they had, up to that point, only pretended to have.
Specifically, that conspiracy said that The Beatles didn't realy write their own music, that they just pretended to, that it was actualy written by someone else (can't remember his name offhand) who wanted to introduce a certain kind of music into the populace deliberately. This is simply nonsense. John and Paul wrote their own music. Otherwise, how would Paul's death really have affected them creatively?
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 29, 2003 7:48:28 GMT
As I said, some, not necessarily myself, call the mass-mk ops of "the 60s" by that moniker. But one does have to admit that many of the mass-mk-makers were indeed on the Aquarian groove.
But when you say "claims of the conspiracy" you mean "claims of some researchers." (Indeed, a "claim of the conspiracy" would be, "This guy here, he's Paul.)
Of course these people didn't have power and they didn't write the Beatles' songs. What you saw was a power struggle. The monarchy decided to build two big rock bands, one of bad boys, one of good boys -- they love that dialectic -- and eventually bring everyone under the spell of LSD and such (which as Lennon siad "was designed to control us" but freed us).
Obviously The Beatles had a power and presence of their own, elsewise they would not have had to kill Paul in an attempt to keep control.
Yet Lennon fought back even after, slyly, indeed more cleverly than many of the controlers.
It even appears he cut ties with his family to protect them and formed an alliance with a insider in the form of Ono so as to better position himself. And the game went on until he was killed.
The point about the bluff, what really beats the bluff is calling them on it -- by bringing out information here and elsewhere.
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