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[JohnJakeUp]

Well, it might not be from you guys and maybe from the other documents you have from other people. but it mentions that The Beatles were changed to just Beatles when Paul was replaced.

I just finished watching a Let It Be video (best song ever... or at least the ones I've heard and it said The Beatles in the corner of the screen and in the intro. So I don't really see a name change.

[Revolver]

I never cared much for Let it Be, as a tune or an album. Never did have it in the collection. Hey Jude is the same thing, not that great a tune. As an album, Hey Jude is a hodge podge of release dates etc etc as the material Paul had was for the most part used up. Okay Fauly, take these broken wings and learn to fly now, you are on your own...

[JohnJakeUp]

Regardless, the name wasn't changed to Beatles in that video.

And I guess different strokes for different folks, but I'm absolutely in love with Let It Be.

[Eggman]

John's song "God":

"I don't believe in Beatles" (not in "The Beatles")

[JohnJakeUp]

Yes, but in all the videos, they are called "The Beatles"

[lisatwirler]

There was a name change but Im not sure which way it went
from Beatles to The Bealtes or from The Beatles to Beatles...it grew out of Paul's suits. But who knows what really happened with these
people and why. I dont listen to Beatles anymore because their
music is frieghtening-- the last i bought that in any way involved
McCartney was McCartney and I now see even those songs as
dumb and whiney. Let It Be--the album is okay, but the song
is weird. After Sgt Pepper the only good stuff is John's and George's

[beldabeast]

As a new member , and one still on the fence
I report that I had always been under the impression that John had sung hello-Goodbye !
Not until the anthology film was releasing in 95 did I know Paul was the singer on that tune.
Close your eyes and listen to H-G and see what you think !

[TotalInformation]

When and where was this video produced?

Lennon had control over the design of the album covers, and that's about it. You can see on the album covers, the name of the band is BEATLES. (On so-called White album: band name: "BEATLES"; album name: "The").

The front album cover for "Let It Be" just says "Let It Be," it doesn't say either "BEATLES" or "The Beatles."

Here's the back of the original LP. Note it says, "This is a new phase BEATLES album."



The EMI skunkworks people wouldn't've continued Lennon's practice after the band officially broke up.

[SunKing]

I am shocked.
This above IS EXACTLY the post I've prepared to publish today....
Incredibly....wonderful!
Thank You, (once again) TotalInformation!

[MrVanderbuilt]

Funny, on my old LP copy of Abbey Road the side text says clearly "The Beatles: Abbey Road" The side text of my "Let It Be" copy also reads "The Beatles". My copies of the 'red' (1962 -1966) and 'blue' (1967 - 1970) double LP's have both "The Beatles" on the side as well as on the front cover. (The photo's on the staircase, remember?)

The only real name changes I have proof of are from "The Quarrymen" to "The Silver Beatles" and then later to "The Beatles".

[raymi46]

My Abbey Road has nothing on the front cover, "The Beatles" on the side and just "Beatles' on the back.

[Forum Manager]

sgt. pepper... magical mystery tour...

[MrVanderbuilt]

Unfortunately I don't have LP copy's of those 2 albums at home. But even if they have "Beatles" instead of "The Beatles" on them, this makes no sense since the other albums mentioned above were released after Sgt P. & MMT.
It probably has a lot to do with the whole lay-out process (style, fonts, colors etc...) and what the lay-out designers thought looked best at the time, so it's possible they decided to skip the "The" of now and then. On the "Let It Be" picture above it seems this has a grammatical purpose, "A (New Phase) The Beatles album" doesn't sound half as correct as "A (New Phase) Beatles Album".

But does this whole issue prove anything whatsoever? No ;D

[TotalInformation]

Vandy, the fact of the matter of is the five official BEATLES albums released after Paul died all say "BEATLES" and not "The Beatles."

You're citing reprints and compilation albums that came out after the band broke apart. All those decisions were in the hands of EMI execs and NOT the band.

[MrVanderbuilt]

Who said I was citing reprints?

The Lp copy's of Abbey Road and Let It be I own were bought shortly after time of release, by my older brother.

Abbey Road was purchased in a record shop in my hometown just before Christmas holiday 1969. Let It be was bought a little less than a year later, probably around October 1970.

The 'red' and 'blue' compilation LP's were indeed bought some years later, mid 70's.

BTW are you suggesting that they changed the "Beatles" back to "The Beatles" again in later reprints? This stuff seems to get more complicated by the hour.

[JohnJakeUp]

MrVanderbuilt said:

Funny, on my old LP copy of Abbey Road the side text says clearly "The Beatles: Abbey Road" The side text of my "Let It Be" copy also reads "The Beatles". My copies of the 'red' (1962 -1966) and 'blue' (1967 - 1970) double LP's have both "The Beatles" on the side as well as on the front cover. (The photo's on the staircase, remember?)

The only real name changes I have proof of are from "The Quarrymen" to "The Silver Beatles" and then later to "The Beatles".

Yup. Not to mention that you're right about the grammatical thing with Let It Be.

[TotalInformation]

"side text" (the tiny printing on the spine) is not part of cover design. They weren't "BEATLES" every now and then, they were BEATLES for the five albums released with Faul.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

This stuff seems to get more complicated by the hour.

Yes, well, the thinking can hurt at first. But it's like any other exercise -- keep working at it and you'll get used to it.

[MrVanderbuilt]

TotalInformation said:

Yes, well, the thinking can hurt at first. But it's like any other exercise -- keep working at it and you'll get used to it.

Again, I regret that you are making these remarks on a personal level to discredit me. A week ago I didn't think this would be possible. Reading through the post I thought people were rather nice to each other here. More and more I am starting to find out that one only gets treated nice if you are a "believer". I sense a growing intollerance for people with an opposite point of view.

Although by now it's sometimes hard to resist, I will not start picking on you, or others, 'cause this is supposed to be a board to disscuss things related to 60if, not a board to discredit each other.

So, as for the original subject: I consider the WHOLE packaging part of a cover design, since it's all done by the same team of designers. Colours and font type should match or accord to the rest of the cover, and so even the text on the spine (thanx for sharing this word with me, my vocabulary is improving day by day!) is designed together WITH the rest of the cover.

If you subsciribe to this theory it doesn't make sense to come up with some exeption everytime you run out of agruments. This is ironically what I ment by "this thing getting complicated by the hour".

Have a nice day

[TotalInformation]

I consider the WHOLE packaging part of a cover design, since it's all done by the same team of designers. Colours and font type should match or accord to the rest of the cover, and so even the text on the spine (thanx for sharing this word with me, my vocabulary is improving day by day!) is designed together WITH the rest of the cover.


You can "consider" that the moon is made of green cheese but that doesn't make it so.

[MrVanderbuilt]

Oh dear, what a great reply this is...

Maybe I should tell you that English is NOT my first language, and that I am therefore limited in my use of vocabulary.

But have it your way, I'll correct myself, I meant to say:

The WHOLE packaging IS part of a cover design (../..)

Any more founded agruments?

[Forum Manager]

red and blue albums were made after they broke up, so they didnt have any say if it should say "beatles" or "the beatles"