Yesterday's Pronounciation

[Perplexed]

I listened closly to Uberkinder's site comparison of Yesterday, 1965 and 1983.

IN 1965, it seems that he sings,
"SOW-dn-lee, Aem not (h)off the mahn Ae yoost to bee.
Theh's uh shah-DOOH(swallowed) hang-in' o-vah mee...
Yes-tuh-day khcame SOW-dn-lee.

Very liverpool...........

In 1983, it seems like I hear:
"SUDD-en-lee, I'm not haph the mann Ie yewst (very North American "y", and a scoop in front) to bee.......
There's a sha-dow(very open) hanging over me.....
Yes-ter-day came (soft 'c') sudd-en-ly.

Both versions are terrific, really, but vowels have changed a bit.
Also, there is more scooping, in a typical pop way, in the latter version. A lot of American pop singers like Karen Carpenter (God rest her soul, I adored her) scooped frequently and to good effect. It is a bit sugary for some tastes.The tendency seems to approach the long last note of a phrase by a whole step slide. Early Paul solo recordings seem to hit the note dead on, and stay there in an open vowel without sliding about and almost no vibrato. I think of the Animals and House of the Rising Sun. Attack high notes dead on, and hang on straight! Then you have Moody Blues....Nights in White Satin...lots of "apportamento", or sliding between pitches. Not a critique-----classical singers employ it too sometimes, though not as frequently. They mainly slide down to pitches from above when "apportamento" is called for.

Now, about vowels...........

Was Paul trying to outgrow his NW England regional vowel phonemes? Did he want a more generic English dialect?

[beldabeast]

Perplexed said:

I listened closly to Uberkinder's site comparison of Yesterday, 1965 and 1983.

IN 1965, it seems that he sings,
"SOW-dn-lee, Aem not (h)off the mahn Ae yoost to bee.
Theh's uh shah-DOOH(swallowed) hang-in' o-vah mee...
Yes-tuh-day khcame SOW-dn-lee.

Very liverpool...........

In 1983, it seems like I hear:
"SUDD-en-lee, I'm not haph the mann Ie yewst (very North American "y", and a scoop in front) to bee.......
There's a sha-dow(very open) hanging over me.....
Yes-ter-day came (soft 'c') sudd-en-ly.

Both versions are terrific, really, but vowels have changed a bit.
Also, there is more scooping, in a typical pop way, in the latter version. A lot of American pop singers like Karen Carpenter (God rest her soul, I adored her) scooped frequently and to good effect. It is a bit sugary for some tastes.The tendency seems to approach the long last note of a phrase by a whole step slide. Early Paul solo recordings seem to hit the note dead on, and stay there in an open vowel without sliding about and almost no vibrato. I think of the Animals and House of the Rising Sun. Attack high notes dead on, and hang on straight! Then you have Moody Blues....Nights in White Satin...lots of "apportamento", or sliding between pitches. Not a critique-----classical singers employ it too sometimes, though not as frequently. They mainly slide down to pitches from above when "apportamento" is called for.

Now, about vowels...........

Was Paul trying to outgrow his NW England regional vowel phonemes? Did he want a more generic English dialect?

This sounds important ! . Something to run by whatever kind of professional that studies these things .

We have handwriting samples
We have the above
We have the same photos in the original AND the altered versions ( this is important !)
We have voice comparisons
We have facial and other physical comparisons .

[Eggman]

And then some people come here to say we're mad ;D

[byrdsmaniac]

Can't help but wonder though, when you've sung a song about 400,000 times, whether you're mind is even engaged in the process. Seems phrasing might be on some sort of " automatic pilot" at this stage of the game. We all know it's 2 different singers, but even if Paul were singing it now he would probably sound different, in my humble opinion.

[Perplexed]

Well, it is true that people can and do change their pronuciation. A lot of my friends hat have gone on to do thrstre around the country fight against their regional dialect with constant practice and listening to dialect tapes. Some that I know have succeeded; a couple just can't seem to shake the southern vowels even after years of trying. They learn a new sound allright, but it sounds forced and awkward, and inevitably they will miss one or two in a long sppech because t hey don't realize in time they must make a adjustment. Others seem to master all kinds of regional accents without any artificial or phony vowel distrotion. I guess it just depends on the individual ability + commitment. There is also a "swallowed" sound in early Paul's speaking and singing voice at times, hard to explain. It makes his voice seem "covered" a little bit. Newer Paul just seems to have a brighter, less covered sound. But ya'know, there are vocal coaches in all big cities that can help these things, so, hard to establish a palpable difference sometimes.............

[eyesbleed]

I put a comparison cd together if anyone's interested.

Or maybe I should put the Broadstreet songs on geocities so anybody could make their own.

Anyway, here's the songlist of the cd I put together-
1. For No One- The Beatles
2. For No One- Broadstreet
3. Here There & Everywhere- The Beatles
4. Here There & Everywhere- Broadstreet
5. Good Day Sunshine- The Beatles
6. Good Day Sunshine- Broadstreet
7. Eleanor Rigby- The Beatles
8. Eleanor Rigby- Broadstreet
9. Yesterday- The Beatles
10. Yesterday- Broadstreet
11."turn me on deadman'
12. Revolution 9 backwards
13. "miss him miss him miss him"

[beatled]

I found this long forgotten thread in a Japanese forum, and they quote you Perplexed: bubble4.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/beatles/1133347037/

(scroll down to post #100) Wish I could understand what they were talking about, and I know some people from Japan are reading this forum, it shows up on my jojoplace logs.

Btw, I'm sorry that I had to ban just about every Japanese IP from jojoplace, but you guys... when you use a web site grabbing program to vacuum up each and every single file, and tell everyone else to do it..I was due to exceed my bandwidth allowance in a few more days. Not very cool guys..

[defhermit]

jojo, I think they use those web-site grabbing programs in order to translate the entire site before trying to read it, so you don't have to stop and wait for translation whenever you click on a new page...

[beatled]

Hmm maybe, although there isn't much to read, it's more of a file repository. They almost killed it, (so I'm a little irked) perhaps that's something to consider before you strip mine a site..