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Post by TTTM on Jan 4, 2004 21:33:43 GMT
Hello everyone. I've been looking at all your posts for
a long time and I've got a lot to say. Let me tell you now, this is going to be a very long post. First some more clues:
Pipes of Peace: The Other Me: "Well I know that one and one makes two" -1983 after John died.
Wonderful Christmas Time video: A crowd of curious people are standing around a strange fire in the woods and then a (van?) pulls up and a bunch of santas come out.
Let it Be Film: In the studio John says:"Queen says no to Pot smoking FBI members." This is the only joke in the film that Yoko laughs at. Try buying Let it Be (the film) on eBay
Free as a Bird Video: There is some strange mumbling at the end that I cant make out. We need to be paying a lot more attention to that video. If you've seen it you can already tell that there are lots of clues.
Coming up video: This isn't a clue but, look at (PF)aul dresses as Ron Mael. Just put a pair of glasses on him and you get Bill Shepperd right away.
My Love video: Look at his top lip. It looks bigger and more swelled up than ever. Mabey it's the lighting?
Yesterday and Today cover: Paul is sitting in that box. It makes you think that someone knew something before it even happened.
I'll be getting Magical Mystery Tour soon so I'll fill you in
on some more clues as soon as possibe.
That's it for clues. Now I'm gonna tell you whether I think Paul is dead or not:
AAAAHHHHH! I DONT KNOW! I'M SO CONFUSED!
When I saw Uberkinders site (and every one elses) I thought that something strange was going on but now I look at paulisnotdead.com and now I'm even more confused! I'm being pulled in two different directions!
WHO/WHAT SHOULD I BELIVE?!
Okay, first let me tell you how it all started. I saw Uberkinders site in the aol search and I thought "hey I like to look at paul is dead stuff/informatoin" so I clicked on it and saw what I least expected: Facial proof that pre/post '66 paul were two diferrent people. I looked at some similar sites and I decided:'this is occupying to much of my mind. I would be happier if I didn't look at this stuff anymore" and I was. But then about two weeks later I made a mistake: I came back. I wish I didn't look at this stuff in the first place. I wish I had the happy minds of the people that tell me I'm crazy.
I have a lot moe to say but this post is already way to long. I just had to get all of this off my chest.
Thank you.
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 4, 2004 21:42:00 GMT
You can turn anything into a clue if you think about it long enough. But finding a clue in your head doesn't make it one.
Example: Let it Be Film: In the studio John says:"Queen says no to Pot smoking FBI members."
He's reading a newspaper. John got lots of his ideas from newspapers and TV (he was an admitted TV junkie, had it on all the time.)
A lot of the "clues" in Pepper can be found in news archives: The Tara Brown story, Good Morning (Kelloggs Corn Flakes commercial), The Pable Fanque circus poster (pic of John standing next to it.)
Most lyrics can be explained easily by looking at verifiable facts, not twisted speculation.
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Post by TTTM on Jan 5, 2004 3:02:28 GMT
Fixingahole, Everyone else seems to be thinking of clues off the top of their heads. If they didn't, there would be no clues in the first place. Those were only my opinions not official clues, which you're right about. Thanks for telling me that the "Pot smoking FBI" stuff was in the news paper.  |
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Post by eyesbleed on Jan 5, 2004 3:13:11 GMT
Fixingahole, Everyone else seems to be thinking of clues off the top of their heads. If they didn't, there would be no clues in the first place. Those were only my opinions not official clues, which you're right about. Fixingahole is only here to argue. And I don't go around imagining clues... just the opposite, I've had tons of clues pointed out to me over the last few months that I never noticed before. They all went right over my head, like with most other people. But there they are. And it's obvious that most of them are deliberate & intentional. |
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Post by TTTM on Jan 5, 2004 3:50:14 GMT
Eyesbleed,
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say.
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 5, 2004 4:29:17 GMT
Fixingahole is only here to argue. Perhaps it looks like that. Actually, I am here to separate fact from fantasy. There is a difference. |
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Post by eyesbleed on Jan 5, 2004 6:36:37 GMT
Eyesbleed, I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. I was responding to fixingahole's thinking that all these clues are conjured up in our imaginations, when the exact opposite is true with most people. There's more planted stuff than I ever would've imagined. Ya have to wonder WHY? There's nothing wrong with posting something about.. "Hey look at this... I wonder if THIS is a clue?" But people like fixingahole don't like us having enjoyable conversations about the various possibilities. For the life of me, I can't figure out why. |
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Post by TTTM on Jan 5, 2004 7:23:31 GMT
Thanks Eyesbleed. But the "clues" part of my post is the least important part. I mostly wanted to ask the question: Is looking at all this PID stuff a load of Bull,
or is it something that can change history forever...
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 5, 2004 7:39:13 GMT
But people like fixingahole don't like us having enjoyable conversations about the various possibilities. For the life of me, I can't figure out why. Maybe I have been too hard on the clueseekers. I see clues too. They make me think and wonder. I think they are cool! But you have to wonder if a clue was put out by the Beatles or has it become public knowledge because it has been passed on as a "clue" for so long? What it boils down to is, if you are looking for truth, clues are a dead end because you can never know...(see paragraph above) |
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Post by TTTM on Jan 5, 2004 7:58:49 GMT
Fixingahole You're right - clues shouldn't count as proof of anything. BTW, I just looked at your post saying that you saw Let It Be and you think Paul is alive, same here - after I saw it I thought "Everything in that film just seems to natural. But somehow, someway even with all the evidence, he just can't be dead. And I don't belive the 60if document either and how it said that Yoko is a spy. What about all the art she did, you know filming peoples butts? Remember that?  But how do we know which photos have been altered? Who knows, mabey photos of Paul could have been altered before 1966. Once again, evidence goes both ways. |
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Post by Fwings on Jan 5, 2004 8:30:45 GMT
TTTM, welcome!
It's up for you to decide whether looking over PID stuff or 60IF is a load of bull or not. For me, I'm a strong believer, and while I'd like to believe Paul is alive, I just know that he isn't. The important thing is do you enjoy spending time looking over this stuff? I'm a lifelong Beatles fan, so even if we had definitive proof that James Paul was living, I'd have to say that it was still enjoyable posting here.
Clues are subjective, yes, and they wouldn't hold up in a court of law, but there is a pattern among many of them. For instance, beginning with Sgt. Pepper, The Beatles all had a fondness for using the name "William" in its various incarnations.
-At the beginning of the Sgt. Pepper album, they introduce "Billy Shears."
-In the White Album there was the song "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill," about the tiger hunter William Sheppard.
-The final Beatles album produced was originally going to be named "Billy's Left Boot."
-Lennon wrote a song in the '70s that was never released called "Sally and Billy," and it was apparently a veiled shot at Faul and Linda.
-In the film "Imagine," George and John are eating, and after John asks him if he's seen The Beatles lately, George tells John that "Beatle-Bill" has been making a pig of himself.
So you see, while none of those are "proof," it does show a pattern, and leaves a trail back towards the name of "William Sheppard."
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 5, 2004 8:59:36 GMT
TTTM, welcome! -In the film "Imagine," George and John are eating, and after John asks him if he's seen The Beatles lately, George tells John that "Beatle-Bill" has been making a pig of himself. Wings, excellent point, and very, very interesting. If there is a mother of all clues, that is it. The scene ends with John making huge, knowing wink directly to the camera. That one really makes me wonder...but not convincing on its own, of course. Need more than that! |
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Post by SunKing on Jan 5, 2004 14:32:28 GMT
TTTM, welcome! It's up for you to decide whether looking over PID stuff or 60IF is a load of bull or not. For me, I'm a strong believer, and while I'd like to believe Paul is alive, I just know that he isn't. The important thing is do you enjoy spending time looking over this stuff? I'm a lifelong Beatles fan, so even if we had definitive proof that James Paul was living, I'd have to say that it was still enjoyable posting here. Clues are subjective, yes, and they wouldn't hold up in a court of law, but there is a pattern among many of them. For instance, beginning with Sgt. Pepper, The Beatles all had a fondness for using the name "William" in its various incarnations. -At the beginning of the Sgt. Pepper album, they introduce "Billy Shears." -In the White Album there was the song "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill," about the tiger hunter William Sheppard. -The final Beatles album produced was originally going to be named "Billy's Left Boot." -Lennon wrote a song in the '70s that was never released called "Sally and Billy," and it was apparently a veiled shot at Faul and Linda. -In the film "Imagine," George and John are eating, and after John asks him if he's seen The Beatles lately, George tells John that "Beatle-Bill" has been making a pig of himself. So you see, while none of those are "proof," it does show a pattern, and leaves a trail back towards the name of "William Sheppard." are you the "new" Sun King? Please notice how many times the word "bill" is told in Sgt. Pepper lyrics too....  P.S. The King is so tired......miss him miss him miss him... |
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Post by eyesbleed on Jan 5, 2004 15:22:28 GMT
Maybe I have been too hard on the clueseekers. I see clues too. They make me think and wonder. I think they are cool! But you have to wonder if a clue was put out by the Beatles or has it become public knowledge because it has been passed on as a "clue" for so long? What it boils down to is, if you are looking for truth, clues are a dead end because you can never know...(see paragraph above) Could it be true? A sensible back & forth conversation with fixingahole?? In a word.....YES. You've been too hard on clueseekers & pretty much everybody else. Sometimes ya see what may be another clue, but it's most likely nothing. What's wrong with bring it up for discussion? When the waters are as muddied as they are in the REAL Beatles history, it requires a certain amount of discussion & speculation. Toss some ideas around & see what sticks, so to speak. I've discovered more clues than I ever could've imagined. Are clues any sort of solid evidence? NO, but it is still VERY interesting & it gets more interesting as it goes. |
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Post by TTTM on Jan 5, 2004 21:23:04 GMT
Okay I'm back. I was wondering if anyone has a screenshot of (PF)aul in his "My Love" video (to look at his huge top lip) or a picture of him in the "Coming Up" video dressed as Ron Mael because he looks identicle to Bill without glasses.
Thanks.
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Post by Fwings on Jan 6, 2004 6:35:47 GMT
P.S. The King is so tired......miss him miss him miss him... Sun King, I hope you're not hinting at your departure... you're the glue that holds this place together! |
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 6, 2004 18:54:11 GMT
Um, which kids, exactly, are Paul's kids?
Surely not any born after 1967.
But wait, weren't ALL his kids born after 1967?
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But how do we know which photos have been altered? Who knows, mabey photos of Paul could have been altered before 1966. Once again, evidence goes both ways.