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Post by jude on Mar 15, 2007 18:32:33 GMT
Forgive me for being suspicious, but how do you know that? I could also say that the original Paul didn't have a sheepdog named Martha, but that wouldn't be a real clue because it wouldn't be true, would it? When so many people hear "I buried Paul" for so long, of course all this mythos about copies where it's not "cranberry sauce" will build up over decades of time. I can't fairly deny that it wasn't "cranberry sauce" on the original vinyl EP (or LP in the US), but as I said before, John certainly did say "cranberry sauce" on the versions almost everyone has, and no one seems to be coming forward with a different version.
Why can't some people give up on this? How is this a clue?
The walrus is Paul is a clue. There's no reason to think it isn't, because Glass Onion is obviously about death to begin with.
While My Guitar Gently Weeps----clue!
O.P.D. is a clue, because even though it's actually O.P.P., it looks as though the photo was edited to read O.P.D.
Two dancing Pauls in Yellow Submarine----clue!
The whole fact that Paul lied about being in the walrus costume on the cover of MMT is a clue, if only to the fact that Paul is a huge liar.
There's tons of clues! But until someone shows me a version of the song where I don't hear "cranberry sauce" said at the end, I just can't see this as a clue as much as it is a "people misheard" it sort of thing.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 15, 2007 23:17:38 GMT
"Forgive me for being suspicious, but how do you know that? I could also say that the original Paul didn't have a sheepdog named Martha, but that wouldn't be a real clue because it wouldn't be true, would it?"
That's just being facetious.
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 16, 2007 3:26:08 GMT
Forgive me for being suspicious, but how do you know that? I could also say that the original Paul didn't have a sheepdog named Martha, but that wouldn't be a real clue because it wouldn't be true, would it? When so many people hear "I buried Paul" for so long, of course all this mythos about copies where it's not "cranberry sauce" will build up over decades of time. I can't fairly deny that it wasn't "cranberry sauce" on the original vinyl EP (or LP in the US), but as I said before, John certainly did say "cranberry sauce" on the versions almost everyone has, and no one seems to be coming forward with a different version. Why can't some people give up on this? How is this a clue? The walrus is Paul is a clue. There's no reason to think it isn't, because Glass Onion is obviously about death to begin with. While My Guitar Gently Weeps----clue! O.P.D. is a clue, because even though it's actually O.P.P., it looks as though the photo was edited to read O.P.D. Two dancing Pauls in Yellow Submarine----clue! The whole fact that Paul lied about being in the walrus costume on the cover of MMT is a clue, if only to the fact that Paul is a huge liar. There's tons of clues! But until someone shows me a version of the song where I don't hear "cranberry sauce" said at the end, I just can't see this as a clue as much as it is a "people misheard" it sort of thing. Simply to many details to remember. One would have to improvise on the spot sometimes. Its hard to notice a great liar, because they're just so good at lying! He's not a great liar, maybe because at heart he doesn't think like a liar at all. But he has to play the role, and that is a function of the job of acting. But without a handy script at one's disposal in every occasion, details may get sketchy.
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Post by jude on Mar 19, 2007 7:30:38 GMT
All I know is he's good enough of a liar to convince most of the world. I mean, you so much as mention the whole "walrus is Paul" thing to a hardcore Beatle fan, and usually he/she will tell you that John was just saying it was Paul in the walrus costume (which is the story Paul himself gives). But evidence has come forward that it wasn't Paul at all. It was most likely John, but definitely not Paul.
And you're right Doc, he does improvise a lot. He doesn't mean to change his stories all the time, but it just happens that way. That sort of thing is unavoidable if your life is one big improv.
My favorite Paul lie? It one interview from recent years, he said that John and he wrote Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds about LSD. But that wasn't the story the whole band gave 40 years ago when they said it was about a drawing Julian drew in kindergarten. Now he's actually saying that it was "obviously about LSD". What a faker! He can't even stick to one story!
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 20, 2007 0:08:49 GMT
I think very few people can immitate John's unique voice, so I'd love to look into this if I could get my hands on this "bootleg". This is probably my best effort to date at emulating John, it's a bit rough and excuse the slightly dubious guitar but you get the point. www.sharebigfile.com/file/116120/imagine-mp3.htmlMaybe I should try LSD
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 20, 2007 8:21:30 GMT
I think very few people can immitate John's unique voice, so I'd love to look into this if I could get my hands on this "bootleg". This is probably my best effort to date at emulating John, it's a bit rough and excuse the slightly dubious guitar but you get the point. www.sharebigfile.com/file/116120/imagine-mp3.htmlMaybe I should try LSD Well I hear more than a little of the distinctive John timbre/tone in your rendition, the placement. How do you do that? A machine with a button?
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 20, 2007 10:12:06 GMT
Well I hear more than a little of the distinctive John timbre/tone in your rendition, the placement. How do you do that? A machine with a button? Well doc, I use a microphone and a recording program called wavepad and then a guitar and my voice!
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 20, 2007 23:12:28 GMT
Well I hear more than a little of the distinctive John timbre/tone in your rendition, the placement. How do you do that? A machine with a button? Well doc, I use a microphone and a recording program called wavepad and then a guitar and my voice! That's straight forward recording stuff. So then, you're good at modulating your timbre.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 21, 2007 1:00:52 GMT
Thank you very much Doc, though you know me from before and I certainly wouldn't "cheat"
The only thing I ever did was give Tomorrow Never Knows an echo, so it had that "buddhist chant" thing going on!
Seriously though, i'm gonna give LSD a go and see if me Lennon impression works on that as well!
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 21, 2007 5:07:00 GMT
Thank you very much Doc, though you know me from before and I certainly wouldn't "cheat" The only thing I ever did was give Tomorrow Never Knows an echo, so it had that "buddhist chant" thing going on! Seriously though, i'm gonna give LSD a go and see if me Lennon impression works on that as well! cool, i'll give it a listen as well......LSD? well, I'll never encourage anyone to.....introduce anything of that category into one's system, but whatever you do, take the highest care. You might try a simple, self-designed "directed imagery session" before going to sleep with just a little lemon water. They may serve to open the mind as well............
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Post by jude on Mar 22, 2007 8:10:26 GMT
It took long enough, but I was finally able to download Imagine, plasticpaul, and let me say that I am nothing less than impressed. Certain peculiarities such as the unique way John sings the words "world" and "people" were spot on. If I were you, I'd work more on that Liverpoolian accent. With a bit more practice, you could be an excellent John Lennon impersonator! Like Doc said, you got that distinctive John timbre in your voice when you sing Imagine. Have you tried singing something more difficult, like Revolution maybe? Or for something easier, you could try Julia. At any rate, it's the best Lennon impersonation I've ever heard, that's for sure!
Oh yeah, and I use Wavepad too. Cool program.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 22, 2007 11:10:52 GMT
Thanks Jude, that is a good analysis, I try to do the scouse accent, particularly because I was born just outside of Liverpool, however we moved away when I was 4 so unsurprisingly I did loose my accent many moons ago!
I am gonna try a few more, however I've just got up and I think i'm coming down with a cold so I'm not sure if that will affect for a few days, but I will get on it.
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Post by zakrandalls on May 26, 2007 1:00:43 GMT
i listened a lot of time to that sequence and YES, it says CRANBERRY SAUCE,because, after 456 times i listened to it ,i finally heard that final sound of the"s"....but can you explain me WHY,pumpin' up the volume of my stereo,i wasn't able to hear "CRANBERRY SAUCE" at the first time?it's like a crossfade between two photos,that Sun King is a master in doing it...have you ever thought that Lennon intended to say CRANBERRY SAUCE as saying something else,probably "I BURIED PAUL"?...it is sure that he would never say really that,because saying EXACTLY that and intending that,it would be too EVIDENT..."CRAN" is spelled out like "AUN"with a weak "N",and the resultant effect could seem like someone saying "I"or "I'M",after having drunk 456 glasses of wine,or smoked tons and tons of hashish;BERRY is the best mask for the verb "BURY"or "BURIN'(G)",and no need of any comment here;"SAUCE" and "PAUL" looks quite similar to me,and the final sound "s" of "SAUCE" is,in my opinion,very weak.....BOYS,THIS LENNON IS A FOX,TO WHOM YOU THINK TO RELATE WITH?HE'S NOT SO STUPID TO SAY THE REAL THING,HE GOES AROUND THE THING!
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Post by zakrandalls on May 26, 2007 1:20:54 GMT
in any case I love to consider this a clue,and,clue or not clue,eveything after '67 leads me to think that there's something wrong,and especially, there is a NEED TO COMMUNICATE SOMETHING USING A REVOLUTIONARY LANGUAGE,WHICH ASSUMES MULTIPLE FORMS;SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE TOLD IN ANY OTHER STANDARD WAY,BECAUSE TOO DANGEROUS.
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Post by mistermustard on Sept 9, 2010 2:05:47 GMT
This is an old thread--so no one probably cares about this as intensely anymore--but I have to say this. As a collector of vintage, ORIGINAL pressings of the Beatles' albums, I hear John saying"cranberry sauce." Keep in mind that the song was recorded between 24 November and completed on 22 December 1966. That makes John's ad lib of "cranberry sauce" fit the time of year perfectly. I think that the reason why so many people believe they heard "I buried Paul" on the original can be attributed to the lack of clarity in the high-end. CDs allow for greater high-end resolution. With the greater resolution, you get "cranberry sauce" jumping out at you from your speakers.
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