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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 9, 2005 19:32:16 GMT
digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/faking.htmlA deform algorithm. Some scenes redone. "Help" seems to be the most tampered film of all the history. Now we know the reason why. I took this frame from a video I own: It "seems" to be still genuine.... but ...
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Post by Red Lion on Mar 9, 2005 23:34:13 GMT
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Post by abbey on Mar 10, 2005 17:22:58 GMT
Red Lion - the 1st photo is Paul, the second is Bill. Am I right ? I always thought that second photo looked "funky". B.P., that is Paul alright. Take a good look at the indent in his teeth on the left side of his mouth ! Sis
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Post by Red Lion on Mar 10, 2005 20:42:08 GMT
Several things I noticed about these pictures. Pinstripes on the jacket are very pronounced in the bw pic and almost look metallic. In the first pic they are very light and subdued and should appear that way in the bw pic as well. It could be a different jacket, but why? The sheet music has been moved around even tho you can see only a bit in the color pic. There is at least one keyboard lever that is depressed in the bw pic that is not in the other. You can see Paul's watch in the bw pic and not in the color one, that might be the angle though. The hair in both photos is JP all the way. I thought the differences in these shots warranted posting them, although there may be an explanation for them such as being taken on a different day etc. I have no opinion as to wether the bw pic is Bill or not, for the most part it looks more like JP to me.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 10, 2005 21:30:47 GMT
Amazing the difference in dimension in comparison to the organ. Both Paul. Both doctored? A reliable reference of the TRUE Paul's look at the time of "Help!"? Here it is: Taken from THE BEST Beatles collectors site over the Net: www.rarebeatles.com/photopg5/helpvid.htmBTW A reference about Paul's true look at "AHDN" time too? Here it is: Taken from the same site THE TRUE PAUL NEVER CHANGED LOOK.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 10, 2005 22:17:28 GMT
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Post by abbey on Mar 11, 2005 15:58:28 GMT
Another photo of PAUL in Help. Look at the island in the backdrop. It's devoid of vegetation, just like has been previously stated in this thread The photo next to it has Paul making the same face ;D BeatlePaul, I LOVE those photos of Paul. Thanks ! ;D
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Post by TPIMaster on Mar 11, 2005 18:10:37 GMT
I took this frame from a video I own: It "seems" to be still genuine.... but ... I see something scar-like on the left side (our right) of his chin...
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Post by abbey on Mar 11, 2005 18:39:35 GMT
Interesting. Probably from a fall from one of his mopeds. He was a bit of a klutz ;D
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 11, 2005 18:41:47 GMT
I see something scar-like on the left side (our right) of his chin... I was wondering about the same..... Those on the right ARE my references about James Paul McCartney TRUE LOOK. I can't see that feature there. Maybe it was Billy's and tampered on Paul's face.
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 11, 2005 20:06:01 GMT
Pardon me for saying so, but, I feel, that, well, maybe, the 3 pics you have above are all billy.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 11, 2005 21:53:14 GMT
Pardon me for saying so, but, I feel, that, well, maybe, the 3 pics you have above are all billy. billy...who?
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 14, 2005 8:55:39 GMT
Dashing thru the Snow, in a one horse open sleigh.......... But, all things considered, I really don't remember Austria.....
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Post by abbey on Mar 14, 2005 16:34:17 GMT
The third photo above is Paul, Perplexed. I highly doubt the 1st two are. I think the ones of him playing a bugle are billy I think
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 15, 2005 2:07:53 GMT
The third photo above is Paul, Perplexed. I highly doubt the 1st two are. I think the ones of him playing a bugle are billy I think If they aren't, then the Beatles, by logic, would HAVE to have returned to Austria for location filming with 100 extras in this scene. Everybody in Austria would have known that they came back to reshoot. Ergo, in the international papers, on TV, etc. I think that reshooting in Austria was not an option. "Austria" would have to become a soundstage at this point. Besides the two above, here are two more "chubby" Paul pics on the alto bugle/fluegelhorn whatever it is: No effects in these candids., like bad polaroids, those look like they may have been continuity or lighting pics taken in advance of the actually shooting the scene, as a test. Now, here's a process shot with William: Where's the snow? All that green--its a post card silkscreen... And, it looks Paul lost 35 pounds in one afternoon. And got taller. Sis--luv ya', but do you see what I mean? 4 pics that suppport each other; that support a plumper, rounder face beginning to thicken in the torso (I can tell you ALL about that), and one with a slenderer build, and a more, Williamesque countenance. Point, why "gump" Paul to look so much less handsome and trim then normal? They wouldn't just make 4 retouched pics making Paul look a little bit dumpy (I can say it because I admit openly to transient dumpiness in my life...). No, all the retouching always goes to lengthening, slenderizing, making Paul a longer boned, narrower person, esp. facially. 4 fat faced pics.......I think that is because, THAT is how Paul looked in an retouched photography in March or April of 1965. Grnated they aren't great pics, but you CAN tell withvery little eye strain what I am saying. I dunno. I may be out in left field. I should cut back on the LSD a little bit.......
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 15, 2005 2:18:54 GMT
* that's for "Liberal Sodium Diet"............
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 15, 2005 8:31:20 GMT
If they aren't, then the Beatles, by logic, would HAVE to have returned to Austria for location filming with 100 extras in this scene. Everybody in Austria would have known that they came back to reshoot. Ergo, in the international papers, on TV, etc. I think that reshooting in Austria was not an option. "Austria" would have to become a soundstage at this point. There was no need: www.cs.princeton.edu/courses/archive/fall99/cs426/lectures/warp/sld023.htm
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Post by abbey on Mar 15, 2005 16:37:22 GMT
Perplexed - I can see what you mean concerning the 1st two photos in the band scene. There is snow & Paul really doesn't look that much taller than Ritchie. I can see exactly what you're saying about the 3rd photo. Now with what BP has come in with, who knows ? Maybe he's right & they gumped Bill in as Paul LATER ON!Who knows, right I think it's all A BLOODY NIGHTMARE!!!
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 16, 2005 1:48:16 GMT
Either way the 3rd is deffo computer done.
The crazy thing is the fact that "paul" looks bigger yet appears to be further away from the lens than the others, thats what seals the deal as far as im concerned.
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 16, 2005 4:15:02 GMT
And, they're standing on rather uneven ground there. Move one or two feet to either side, and your on a bump in the ground--see the scenes around these shots.
Again, the head shape of Paul playing the bugle in the 4 pictures (why would they make those 4 pictures)--plus, and do you know---in the actual scene in the movei--Paul IS NOT SHOWN! When the footage comes showing this moment, in the movie, Ringo is on the left edge, and Paul's arm is well, Im not sure if Paul is visible at all. Why would you make a scene like this and leave Paul out?
Anyway, Paul's head in the parke around the piano, again, there, its hard to see paul, but if you freeze the frame and look, at the piano on the slopes footage, Paul looks cortisone bloated and sallow. Hiding in the parka. Something was wrong at this point. Somewhere I saw the sequence of shooting for Help. I know the Bahamas were first. Feb 65, Iam not sure, Austria may have been next--and Britain last--I'l look. I suspect, though, that the Austria shots were made last, about May of 65.....They keep the snow later into the year and better in that little Austrian town.....
hmmmm..
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 16, 2005 4:21:08 GMT
I still see, or think, that , in Paul's facial geometry, the tip of the nose terminates higher than William. In other words, the base of Paul's nose isn't very far south of his eyes! Williams' nose tip is a little father away from the eyes, vector wise.
Draw lines across the face. Eyeline, vs tip of nose line. Not far. William--eye line, tip of nose, further down, a longer overall nose. The middle area of Paul's face is "short". I dont know how else to say it.
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Post by abbey on Mar 16, 2005 16:18:11 GMT
Perplexed, thank you for your observations.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 16, 2005 17:51:25 GMT
Again, the head shape of Paul playing the bugle in the 4 pictures (why would they make those 4 pictures)--plus, and do you know---in the actual scene in the movei--Paul IS NOT SHOWN! When the footage comes showing this moment, in the movie, Ringo is on the left edge, and Paul's arm is well, Im not sure if Paul is visible at all.
Does anyone know what aspect ratio "Help!" was shot in? I think it has only been released to home video in 4:3. Recompositing shots even more than standard "pan-and-scan" protocols would call for would be another way to erase the memory of James Paul from "Help!".
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Post by abbey on Mar 17, 2005 18:51:00 GMT
T.I. all I can say to that is AAAARRRRGGGGHHH !!!!
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 24, 2005 23:35:48 GMT
An untouched frame of Paul in "Help!" As you see the TRUE Paul from 1963 to 1965 had the same hair cut.
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