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Post by Forum Manager on Jul 25, 2003 22:50:01 GMT
After reading 60IF again, I realized it was never explained why Brian Epstein was killed. We know Paul died from lack of much needed medication, but why did Brian have to die? Wasn't it supposed to be a kidnapping and not a murder? The kidnappers certainly didn't make any money off of the Beatles by killing Brian.
Was it because Paul died first and they panicked and decided to botch the whole thing and in the process get rid of their only witness, Brian? I would appreciate any thoughts on this. --Dark Horse
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Post by Forum Manager on Jul 25, 2003 22:53:05 GMT
I think you are in the right way. Paul's dead destroyed the kidnappers plans and this ended with Brian's life. Or they didn't expect that Paul were this day in the car with Brian. --TheEggman What was the point kidnapping brian in the first place? I mean the KKK had problems with him because he was homosexual and a jew, right? but what were they planning on doing with him? converting him? randsom? or was the plan to kill him? --paperdoll Don't forget what day this all happened, September 11, a very imortant pagan date. You'd be suprised how many important things pertaining to the formation of world government have taken place on this date. Here's a list containing a few, but if you dig deep you can find many more: www.september11news.com/Sept11History.htm I think Bryan was to be used as a sacrifice to make sure that their plans concerning the entertainment industry went well. I'm not so sure Paul was just a bystander who got caught up in it, though. It seems too convenient that he couldn't take LSD, and suddenly after he's gone you have a government agent taking his place singing the praises of a government mind control drug. I think they wanted Paul out of the way, too. Here's what Faul had to say about Paul's not taking acid in an Anthology interview: "When acid came 'round, we'd heard that you're never the same; it alters your life and you never think the same again, and I think John was rather excited by that prospect, I (meaning Paul) was rather frightened by that prospect. I thought, just what I need, some fuuny little thing where I can never get back home again; may not be the greatest move. So I delayed, and I was seen to stall a little bit within the group. Cause' there was a lot of peer pressure. I mean, talk about peer pressure, The Beatles? --Uberkinder The plan was to convert him but they didn't succeeded. This is the reason why the Beatles called it "Magical Mystery Tour". --Sun_King |
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Post by krysia on Jul 26, 2003 4:14:13 GMT
well, in one of the anthology tapes, theres an interview with a KKK member, and he said something about that the beatles needs to be stopped, and that he has a few suprises. its probally has to do with that they were planning on killing brian because it would screw everything up for them. but, they killed the both of them, and that would have REALLY screwed things up. which is why they needed to replace them, so that they wouldnt be defeated. i think they even say that in the 60if thing.
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Post by dj on Jul 26, 2003 7:42:20 GMT
I'm new to this forum, so please bear with me. I would like to know where the story about the kidnapping came from in the first place. Most of the sites that discuss the clues and stories behind the supposed death of Paul Macartney tell a story about a car wreck that took place at 5 am on November 9, 1966 after a late night in the studio. Paul is looking at a cute meter maid (Rita?) and doesn't notice the upcoming stop light has turned red and swerves to avoid raffic at the intersection and runs into a pole and subsequently dies in the accident. The 60IF site is the only one I have seen that has the story about the kidnapping. Where did this story come from???
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Post by Forum Manager on Jul 27, 2003 2:28:07 GMT
im not sure exactly (youll have to ask sun king) but sun king found it in another language and translated it. it was an interview from 1992, and i believe that it was george harrison who had written it.
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Post by Chris on Jul 27, 2003 13:31:56 GMT
I just came from the other site. I replied to Eddie's goodbye note. I know he's been a really pain in the ass, but I think we can learn alot from him... I think we need to convince him that he can trust us, & get him to come over here... What do you guys think  Also, I think that there was more to it. More to what happened that night. I think that Paul & Brian were the targets. I'm going to tell you why in a new posting I'm making right now... Bye guys, a somewhat teary eyed... Chris  |
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Post by Eggman on Jul 27, 2003 14:30:09 GMT
Brian's death: KKK sacrifice I almost convinced that HDYS was John Lennon!!! ;D Will he/she return to this forum???  |
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Post by PaulBearer on Jul 27, 2003 15:00:26 GMT
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Post by Darkhorse on Jul 27, 2003 16:51:43 GMT
The only thing we can learn from this guy is that how naive we still are.  The fact that anyone can come on the board and make statements that John wrote all of the Beatles songs, or 98% of them, and that Paul was a no-talent and only wrote Yesterday, leads me to believe we need to strengthen our skepticism muscle. Wasn't it obvious that he was trying to discount Paul's place in history? And the manipulation tactics were obvious. "Are you guys that dumb?" "I've said it before Paul only wrote Yesterday" "I should have never come to this board" How clever. I love the members on this board. Let's not fall for this again. -Darkhorse |
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Post by pennylane on Jul 27, 2003 17:41:54 GMT
I think you said it very well dark horse. We all were teetering between believing his story and knowing he was a fake. I for one would love to believe that John is still alive but lets face it, he came up with the one diversion that played on our heart strings. Next time we have to be more cautious. |
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Post by petra on Jul 27, 2003 18:17:09 GMT
copied and pasted from the old forum:
Name: petra
Subject: DJ67
Mon, Jul 28 2003 at 6:00 am
[ Email Msg | Invite ]
Message:
That's awesome you know about the real history of what's going on. A few years back I became interested in a portion of history dealing with the Catholic Church and the supression of the Knight's Templar. History is fascinating!
It's good to ask questions about that document. I think most anyone who comes here would have the same questions. I have them myself. The more this story comes out the more hard scrutiny it will fall under. And we best be prepared for that.
I don't think Eddie Addison works for the CIA. I just think he is a washed up old producer who has a new gimic and is trying to make a few bucks. His hey day has passed and now has to rely on some slick promotional and advertising schemes to generate some interest.
I don't think he believes Paul is dead-BUT he may think if we are gullible enough to believe that then we might be gullible enough to believe John is still alive and producing albums through him.
He probably came here because this is becoming more and more known to people and started his campaign to use this as a platform to promote his own mystery, after all he does call his tribute album "the mystery album".
And after reading a website that has a review on the tribute album... at the end it says he hung onto these recordings all these years. It's well known that the beatles made a lot of music that never made it to album release. Not too hard to figure that out. In fact there was a whole lot of recordings by John out in California that never came to be released and got "lost" for a number of years, then someone bought them but they were so bad they couldn't be released after all.
Who knows if his dad was the real Sgt Pepper? Does it matter?
I wish Paul Bearer wouldn't jump to the conclusion that a diversion campaign was orchestrated by the CIA, but I am certain he has very good reason to be paranoid. After all, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you!! Forgive me PB, but I just think that guy was out to promote himself, thus the title, PROMOTER>LOL.
what does it matter who he is or was, he's gone now.
AND OMG! let's pay the $7 to get rid of these pop up ads, I will send you my $7 dollars #9, if it will buy an additional how ever many thousands without pop ups. Give me your address.
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Post by pennylane on Jul 27, 2003 18:29:00 GMT
I'm so glad you put this post on this site too, I think we all have to be aware of these people but becoming paranoid is not the answer. We just have to ask the right questions and not assume that we know who they work for. Like you said its more likely that he had his own selfish agenda... promotion
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Post by dj on Jul 27, 2003 18:31:23 GMT
I agree with spanky, I like the "other conspiracies" category, and I will have to post some of my info I have obtained through the years in being a 'consiracy theorist'. It looks like I just might be joining this ragtag bunch. I have never really been a part of any messge board or chat rooms, at least not on a regular basis. So check out the other conspiracies section and I will lay down some of what I have learned and of course some of what I speculate to be possible. And it would be great knowing more about some of the people who are regulars here.
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Post by Chris on Jul 27, 2003 18:46:41 GMT
Eddie e-mailed me... I knew he would... I told him exactly what I think...I will inform everyone if he ever does tell me anything truly useful to us... I believe that his main agenda was to promote his album. I think PB freaked him out by jumping to the CIA connection. As slick a man as Eddie thinks he is, he never saw it coming... It doesn't really matter. His antics were indeed distracting us from our main goal. Finding out the TRUTH... And the TRUTH shall prevail. For the memory of James Paul, George & John ( unless he has indeed escaped his fate )...  Love to all... Chris |
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Post by petra on Jul 27, 2003 19:49:42 GMT
I posted this on the other board, it's a link to an article and/or review about the tribute album, at the bottom it says he hung on to these tapes for a long time. but it's also written as if there is room to speculate about where the music is coming from. Just an advertising hook. check it out www.beatlemaniashoppe.com/cds.html |
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Post by Forum Manager on Jul 27, 2003 20:13:06 GMT
sorry to bring this off topic, and i hope it get get back on topic after this post, but petra said she would pay for the popups to go away. well i dont have a credit card (im only 18 after all) so if you would like to pay, it would have to be via credit card.
ok, i hope that post hasnt disrupted the conversation, carry on.
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Post by SunKing on Jul 27, 2003 21:19:53 GMT
Please beware friends! Not ALL that Eddie told was wrong. He mixed truth and lies carefully. But we were REALLY wasting our precious time. The "old wrong" P-I-D story was based mainly on Ringo's "Don't Pass Me By". The verses: "You were in a car crash And you lost your hair" were referred to James Paul. But after "60IF" we could refer them to Brian. "Brian was found, two days later, in a car which had been pushed over a cliff and set alight" from digilander.libero.it/p_truth/index.html 60IF document |
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Post by Forum Manager on Jul 27, 2003 21:45:34 GMT
excellent observation, SK! im glad u joined this forum!
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Post by Eggman on Jul 27, 2003 22:58:08 GMT
I posted this on the other board, it's a link to an article and/or review about the tribute album, at the bottom it says he hung on to these tapes for a long time. but it's also written as if there is room to speculate about where the music is coming from. Just an advertising hook. check it out Just excellent petra!!! www.beatlemaniashoppe.com/cds.html |
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Post by Chris on Jul 27, 2003 23:20:08 GMT
Thanks S.K... I'm still in touch with Eddie. He swears that he meant no harm & was misunderstood. I'm not surprised... I think he knows ALOT more then he's willing to say. I told him that I thought that the vocals on his Tribute album could very well be Julian Lennon. He sounds exactly like John to me !!! I haven't received his reply to that yet  I will let everyon know if Eddie tells me anything that might be helpful... Love yah... Chris  |
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Post by Uberkinder on Jul 28, 2003 10:46:01 GMT
What I didn't understand was his incredible gaul. It was like watching psychotic mood swings play out in writing. Maybe he doesn't understand why everybody was always so offended, but I thought he had a lot of nerve. He even made remarks to me personally about how my cheap family should have educated me better. If a close friend talked to me like that I'd have to give them a good slap, and I don't even know this guy!
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Post by Rojopa on Jul 28, 2003 14:32:19 GMT
It was kind of hard to believe what H.D.Y. Sleep said about John writing all the songs and Paul only wrote 'Yesterday'. Just that song alone would make Paul a genius! However, we should all feel comforted in knowing that Paul wrote the songs that he sung. The difference in style compared to John's is very noticeable. To believe anything else would be assinine!
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Post by PaulBearer on Jul 28, 2003 14:56:34 GMT
I've had to modify my original posts just a little bit to make it clear it was only my opinion that he MIGHT be a member of the CIA or somesuch agency. He's talking about suing me for slander. Boy, is he touchy or what? Or course, when someone does that, that can sometimes be a sign that that person is guilty of the very thing they are accusedof but I wouldn't like to say for sure...
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Post by SunKing on Jul 28, 2003 15:19:11 GMT
Please worry NO MORE about Eddie! Perhaps I've understood what he wanted to tell us. He said me he couldn't tell us everything but..blah blah... But his help didn't arrive to us then... There are some arguments I have to tell you before I'll go to holidays.... 8-)I need them! Such as.. Paul's image faking during THE BEATLES. E.g. On the album FRONT covers (and only in those), starting with "Sgt. Pepper" "Paul's" face ALWAYS made by a "mixing" of "Faul's" and "James Paul's" face features. An example? Please compare this Faul's photo  with that one in the inner side of the "White Album". It's from the SAME photo session. Look at the differences! Coming soon the others... |
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Post by Chris on Jul 28, 2003 15:38:23 GMT
The eyes are Faul's !!!!!  Luv yah... Chris ;D |
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The fact that anyone can come on the board and make statements that John wrote all of the Beatles songs, or 98% of them, and that Paul was a no-talent and only wrote Yesterday, leads me to believe we need to strengthen our skepticism muscle. Wasn't it obvious that he was trying to discount Paul's place in history? And the manipulation tactics were obvious. "Are you guys that dumb?" "I've said it before Paul only wrote Yesterday" "I should have never come to this board" How clever. I love the members on this board. Let's not fall for this again. -Darkhorse
