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Post by The Taxman on Jul 27, 2004 18:42:26 GMT
Chris: Thanks for the nod! As I say, I'm still sorting it all out even this many years later. As much as I thought Paul was the true genius of them all and certainly the romantic, melodious wonder for even those short years before he left us behind, I still, up to just a few years ago, favored my real feelings about George. He was just the greatest to me as a person and as an artist which John routinely dumped on. I'm sure you saw "Help!" and saw how great George looked out there in the field singing "I Need You". Just such a great portrait. He left too soon.
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Post by BillyJones on Jul 27, 2004 18:46:49 GMT
You're singing to the choir ;D I have the GREATEST respect for George both as a person AND an artist !!! Chris
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Post by gracemer on Jul 28, 2004 5:10:06 GMT
just take any picture of jp...but preferably a full frontal one, and draw a horizontal line that's perpendicular to the line of his nose and that's crossing his right eye. that line won't cross his left eye the same way it crosses the right one. I think you're on to something there Delta. In this pic, at first glance, it appears Paul might have a case of Bell's Palsy with the slightly droopy lid, but on closer inspection, the eye appears to be set just a little lower. In this one, it's more apparent as there is no drooping of his left eyelid. Has this never been noticed before? It's so slight and Paul's head is usually tilted in photographs, so it's barely noticeable, but it's there. In your mind's eye draw a horizontal line from the upper crease in his right eyelid across to the upper crease in the left. No ruler needed. That's not Bell's Palsy!
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Post by LUCY on Jul 28, 2004 11:59:32 GMT
back to the original artwork.......I noticed the the actual name of this album is SGT (s) PEPPERS. Is that a small (s) under the SGT? I can't make it out..... and why no possessive apostrophe for PEPPERS? It's neither singular or plural. A typo? An artistic omission? just a rather small detail, but......
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Post by BillyJones on Jul 28, 2004 14:07:58 GMT
gracemer, nice work. You are 100% correct. My son has had Bell's Palsy & he had no lasting effects from it. So, the thing with Paul's eye is congenital ( he was born with it ). Here's a photo of our Paul, while he was suffering with the Bell's Palsy: A very nice portrait of Paul: From vintage material. A tired looking James Paul: Paul's left profile: Faul from the Fool on the Hill sequence in MMT: Another head on shot, this time from the McCartney album circa 1970: In the second photo, Faul seems to be tilting his head slightly to the left. Even with that, his eyes sure look like they line up to me !!! I just don't understand how people can be so adament that Paul & Faul are one & the same man !!! Two photos of Faul circa 1974. Check out how differently his face is shaped than Paul's. Not only that, but look at his left ear. There is an unnatural looking "crease" in it !!! It also looks like something was done to make his left eyelid "droop"... The second photo also shows Faul's left profile... Taxman, this is for you : LUCY - that IS interesting concerning the Sgt (s) Peppers album cover.... Take care, all... Chris
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Post by Delta on Jul 28, 2004 17:31:06 GMT
I think you're on to something there Delta. funny...i thought we had established that long ago already... well, nevermind.
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Post by Delta on Jul 28, 2004 17:40:32 GMT
back to the original artwork.......I noticed the the actual name of this album is SGT (s) PEPPERS. Is that a small (s) under the SGT? I can't make it out..... and why no possive apostrophy for PEPPERS? It's neither singular or plural. A typo? An artistic ommission? just a rather small detail, but...... what appears to be a small "s", looks rather like a ";" on the album cover, though i'm not 100% sure of this. the missing "'" is interesting, since the lyrics on the back do say "Sgt. Pepper 's". does "to pepper (someone)" mean anything, perhaps?
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Post by BillyJones on Jul 28, 2004 17:50:22 GMT
Delta - that's an interesting question... Anyone know the answer Chris
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Post by Delta on Jul 28, 2004 18:01:37 GMT
additionally, though not entirely related, this webpage tells us what's on the sweater of the doll on the right: members.aol.com/porcarocpu/articles.htmlit doesn't tell us why, however. perhaps the beatles only used it for the text "welcome the rolling stones".
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Post by BillyJones on Jul 28, 2004 18:45:56 GMT
That is weird, Delta... Chris
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Post by gracemer on Jul 28, 2004 19:23:28 GMT
funny...i thought we had established that long ago already... well, nevermind. What I thought we'd established was that Paul had Bell's Palsy. But now it looks like he didn't and his eyes were just uneven. If that had been established I didn't know about it.
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Post by LUCY on Jul 28, 2004 19:33:47 GMT
what appears to be a small "s", looks rather like a ";" on the album cover, though i'm not 100% sure of this. the missing "'" is interesting, since the lyrics on the back do say "Sgt. Pepper 's". does "to pepper (someone)" mean anything, perhaps? can anyone zoom in and get up close? is this another 5 Scatterdome?
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Post by The Taxman on Jul 28, 2004 22:42:59 GMT
When I was talking about Paul's "symmetrical face" and non offset eyes, I was saying that straight on with no angle in the photo his eyes appeared flawless. I've seen other shots, at an angle, which show what might be a result of Bell's. I've only seen one case of Bell's personally in my life but he might have gotten it. The person I knew experienced it from the same rigors of show business as Paul, but went the ultimate and quit. During the late 50's she was right on the cusp of huge stardom, as Paul, and couldn't handle the stress and the physical abuse.
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Post by The Taxman on Jul 28, 2004 22:46:39 GMT
As for the doll and the "Welcome the Rolling Stones" it is known that the early Beatles were admirers, although silently, of the Stones. They had visited the club where the Stones played and kept up a quiet business relationship with them, no crossing paths or crossing each other up kind of thing. The doll itself? Who knows? That whole cover is a set dressers' nightmare!
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Post by The Taxman on Jul 28, 2004 22:50:39 GMT
I went to the aol page and couldn't get where it says " Good Guys". The rest is there...but I can't find "Good Guys". Mind you, I do not intend to spend a lot of time on this one!
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Post by Jilli on Jul 29, 2004 3:09:56 GMT
its almost 8pm here and I got through to the site. Try now Taxman.
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Post by abbey on Jul 29, 2004 4:17:01 GMT
Could the "pepper" mean like "peppering" someone with gun fire? Interesting thought? It does make you wonder why no apostrophy between the "r" and the "s". That is certainly odd to say the least.
Paul often looked just plain worn out in some of the later photo shoots. I think he was really getting tired of the whole thing. He was never left alone and they set up so many shoots that he was no doubt drug out of bed after about 3-4 hours or less of sleep. No wonder he looked so beat. How long would any of us put up with that ?
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Post by gracemer on Jul 29, 2004 5:31:02 GMT
That's all the sleep I get these days. For the money he was making I could put up with it for quite some time! Seriously, with the drugs they were taking as well, they must have been punch-drunk most of the time.
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Post by BillyJones on Jul 29, 2004 18:07:46 GMT
gracemer - I agree wholeheartedly Chris
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Post by Delta on Jul 29, 2004 20:37:50 GMT
As for the doll and the "Welcome the Rolling Stones" it is known that the early Beatles were admirers, although silently, of the Stones. They had visited the club where the Stones played and kept up a quiet business relationship with them, no crossing paths or crossing each other up kind of thing. The doll itself? Who knows? That whole cover is a set dressers' nightmare! what i was thinking of, was this post by paul bearer (thread: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=document&action=display&thread=1087105029): Could "Welcome the Rolling Stones" mean "Welcome to the club - now you've had a group member replaced too!"? Was late 66 a time for the illuminati to swoop down on groups and control them big time? Those music groups were too powerful and influential to be left alone...they had to be stopped...
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Post by abbey on Jul 30, 2004 3:02:50 GMT
I think you could very well be right, Delta. They both had a member replaced. Brian associated with the Beatles so I guess that was his reward. Knowing something was wrong signed his death warrant.
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Post by BillyJones on Jul 30, 2004 14:26:51 GMT
That is SO horrible about Brian Jones !!!! Chris
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Post by PaulBearer on Jul 31, 2004 7:47:15 GMT
Thread screwed up again! Damn forum bugs!
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Post by Jilli on Jul 31, 2004 11:37:52 GMT
This has probably already been said but that yellow car on "A collection of Beatles OLDIES" looks like the car on "Sgt's Peppers 'Lonely Hearts' Club Band" Also on the "Peppers" in "Shirley Temple's" right hand it looks like a balloon with Chinese writing on it. Is that from one of her films? or is it a clue? What songs where on "A collection of Beatles OLDIES?" whats on the back of that album? so many questions...so little time
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Post by Pat on Aug 1, 2004 10:37:01 GMT
What songs where on "A collection of Beatles OLDIES?" whats on the back of that album? so many questions...so little time Here is a link to an auction for the LP that shows both the front and back covers cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4027983066&rd=1Here is the tracklist: Side 1: She loves You From Me to You We Can Work it Out Help Michelle Yesterday I Feel Fine Yellow Submarine Side2: Can’t Buy me Love Bad Boy Day Tripper A Hard Day’s Night Ticket to Ride Paperback Writer Eleanor Rigby I Want to Hold Your Hand
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