"THE TIME HAS COME"

[Sun King™]

ilras said:

Everybody in those years had that look...

I'd like to see some examples about what you are saying.....

[Paulythene Paul]

admin said:

paulythenepaul said:

One thing I am certain of, and I've mentioned it before, Sun King, but you seem not to have noticed my saying so, is that the name Ralston was a pseudonym adopted by Phil Ackrill and Bev Bevan when they wanted to pretend to be be brothers. It was a gimmick to get more publicity.

That is a good point, thanks for bringing it up again Paulythene

I am wondering though, is Phil Ackrill a real name or just another pseudonym?

Hi Forum Manager and everyone! :-)

I'm back, cooled down, and in a humble mood. (Keep reading and you'll soon see why I'm feeling meek.)

FM, that was nice of you to thank me for my second dollopping of info on the Ralston pseudonym. :-)

FM, you ask "...is Phil Ackrill a real name or just another pseudonym."

I don't know, but tonight I learned that the man, Phil Ackrill himself, made a personal appearance at a place called "The Sands Casino" in early September, 1998 where ELO part II (Bev Bevan, Louis Clark, Mik Kaminski, Kelly Groucutt, Eric Troyer and, I hope I surmise correctly from my source, Phil Ackrill substituting for Phil Bates who had just quit the band) were playing.

From groups.google.com/group/alt.music.elo/browse_frm/thread/a85c39d2bac6daac/2ae97ff411443f20?lnk=st&q=phil+ackrill&rnum=1&hl=en#2ae97ff411443f20]Usenet%20thread
a woman named Susan writes, in part, the following:

" Afterwards, in the lounge, I met so many other fans, that I can't even
remember all their names. Except for Mark from Carnegie PA and his nutty
brother. They were memorable!
And of course seeing Kelly, Eric, Bev and Mik is always a thrill. A special
treat was meeting Phil Ackrill, he was so nice. He told the funniest stories,
including the one from Bev's book, about the "babies arm holding an apple", I
won't expound on that one! I turned 6shades of red!! He is just hysterical.
Mike even had him sign Bev's Book, on the picture of him with the Diplomats.
He seemed embarrassed at how young he looked, but then later, he asked for the
book again, so he could prove to the houseband, that he did, indeed, play in a
band with Bev! "

I don't know what to make of this. Perhaps I've been wrong all along in thinking that Phil Ackrill had taken on the role of Paul McCartney?

Or is it possible that Faul is Phaul/Phil, and can change into Phil Ackrill at will, like Superman can change into Clark Kent, and show up at a Bev Bevan related concert in Nevada(?) or New Jersey(?) at the drop of a guitarist?

Speaking of another Phil, Bev Bevan is now fronting a group called Bev Bevan's Move that has two guys named Phil in it; Phil Bates and Phil Tree. Mr. Tree is rather short of physical stature relative to two of the three other men surrounding him in the photos at the band's official website, so I don't think Tree is a pseudonym for the 6'2" Phil Ackrill.



It looks to me like Bev Bevan's Move will be playing at the Jamhouse in Birmingham on November 30th, 2006. If anyone is able to go there that night, maybe they'll have a chance to meet and talk with Mr. Phil Ackrill himself and tell him the wild tales of speculation that I and others have been wielding here at 60if.proboards21.com

For more info on the upcoming event, have a looksee here at the official Bev Bevan's Move website's event dates page:

www.bevbevansmove.com/tour%20page.htm

If the location or date is changed, the change should be reflected there (in the short run).

Paulythene

[sweetlorettamartin]

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band?

[sweetlorettamartin]

I find it interesting that the "replacements" come in a variety of stage names. William Shepherd, William Campbell, and now Phil Ackrill....

Will we ever know what the real looks were of "Faul"? Examine the features of his son, James...and maybe you get an idea of what "Bill's" face may have looked like originally.

These other characters like Denny and Dino may have served as doubles for JPM, but what did the real "Bill" look like originally?

[Paulythene Paul]

I have gleaned a little more information about Mr. Phil Ackrill. He was involved in the management of Electric Light Orchestra Part II back in 1996 and probably other years during that decade.

[Sun King™]

sweetlorettamartin said:

I find it interesting that the "replacements" come in a variety of stage names. William Shepherd, William Campbell, and now Phil Ackrill....

Will we ever know what the real looks were of "Faul"? Examine the features of his son, James...and maybe you get an idea of what "Bill's" face may have looked like originally.

These other characters like Denny and Dino may have served as doubles for JPM, but what did the real "Bill" look like originally?

I don't know if Phil Ackrill is "Bill" true name but......

Surely that on the left was his original look

[Sun King™]

paulbearer said:

Neil "as in Paul" - was Neil Aspinall even a real person's name or a made-up one?

... better ...

Asp in all

[sweetlorettamartin]

That picture of Phil....interesting comparison. But the hairline around the forehead is a little strange from the angle of "Bill". But male pattern baldness could account for Bill's high forehead...compared to the guy on the left.

Well, this may seem strange, but James does resemble the Phil guy more than he does Sir Bill...
But we also have to consider that James may take after some features on Linda's side, even if he doesn't look like Linda, he may have features that perhaps someone else in Linda's family had. I've noticed this through genealogy and that you could go back several generations and see similar features to your own. Perhaps the eyes, or the lips, or the shape of the mouth...hair color, etc.

This is more likely than the Vivian stanshell thing...

[latvietis]

I'm confused

[Sun King™]

sweetlorettamartin said:

That picture of Phil....interesting comparison. But the hairline around the forehead is a little strange from the angle of "Bill". But male pattern baldness could account for Bill's high forehead...compared to the guy on the left.

Well, this may seem strange, but James does resemble the Phil guy more than he does Sir Bill...
But we also have to consider that James may take after some features on Linda's side, even if he doesn't look like Linda, he may have features that perhaps someone else in Linda's family had. I've noticed this through genealogy and that you could go back several generations and see similar features to your own. Perhaps the eyes, or the lips, or the shape of the mouth...hair color, etc.

This is more likely than the Vivian stanshell thing...

Surely Mary "McCartney" seems to be Phil's clone except for.... ;D

[Perplexed]

latvietis said:

I'm confused

Maybe they were brothers, and ONE of them becaome someone else, and so the replacement for THAT person was different enough so that they then made a cover story:
that "Bevan" was a stage name meant to make pretense of them being brothers when they were not (though in reality, the two originals HAD been.)


Follow?

[Paulythene Paul]

sunking said:

Surely Mary "McCartney" seems to be Phil's clone except for.... ;D

The eyes and the chin do seem very similar, and the cheeks kind of too...



I also think her nose and Phil's are the same shape (albeit Phil being a man has a larger proboscis).

Here is a profile taken at an event in 2001 when she received an award from the British Vegetarian Society on behalf of her mother Linda McCartney:



James Louis McCartney and Stella McCartney have noses shaped differently than Phil's. I think Stella looks very much like her mom when Linda was a young woman.

[latvietis]

Jānis Gūža (better known as Johnny Salamander) is a Latvian singer and musician. As the TIME Magazine said - this really gets weirder and weirder.

Someone's back in the USSR!

[defhermit]

You guys have completely lost me.

[latvietis]

defhermit said:

You guys have completely lost me.

That's exactly what we are trying to do

[Perplexed]

latvietis said:

defhermit said:

You guys have completely lost me.

That's exactly what we are trying to do

Well, you can't lose ME, cause, you better believe, I can get lost MYSELF!
I am an expert at befuddlement.



...I think..........hey, wait........I meant..........oh, whatever.

[Sun King™]

ezwizard said:

By the end of 1964, the Diplomats threw in the towel and split up with Phil Ackrill retiring from the music scene…


EZ

By the end of 1964 suddenly Phil left The Diplomats because he was chosen to impersonate Brian Epstein Double.

There were TWO Ringo replacements too?

At the end of September 1966 Phil expected to be Faux Paul against Dino Danelli choice.

Beatles Doubles were ALL

Made In England

Don Knotts took Phil's place as FAux Brian

Phil was (is) really a talented man.

[Rojopa]

Is this just your opinion or do you have facts to back what you said up?

Where do you get your info?

[Paul Bearer]

What happened to Brian at the end of 1964 that he had to be replaced?

[Sun King™]

rojopa said:

Is this just your opinion or do you have facts to back what you said up?

Where do you get your info?

No opinion here.

But original documentation analysis.

Reading Mark Lewinsohn's Beatles Chronology and comparing photo and frames.

Coming soon here.

[The Taxman]

I think we're all reaching too far right now...Faul is going to be exposed soon enough. It is very possibly true that all of these impersonations happened, especially in the world that we know today and even more so the cash cow of the Beatles' enterprise, and are still happening. I am, however, going to concentrate on the early Faul years and get that to the forefront. Soon...very soon.

[Paulythene Paul]

Go for it, The Taxman!

Don't mind me, please, while I continue on with the element of this thread that interests me most, Mr. Phil Ackrill.

According to my research, in 1984, a song called Caroline, best known as a Status Quo recording, was featured at the end of Jasper Carrott's Show on BBC, performed by Belch. Belch was fronted by Carrott, and backed up by Tony Iommi (of Black Sabbath), Phil Tree, Bev Bevan (of ELO), and Phil Ackrill.

I believe there are some video recordings of this performance circulating around.

[PaulDead66]

How can Billy be so many person???
He is Billy, Vivian, Phil and Faul...
Who is he really? What's his real name?
I'm confused...

[Sun King™]

I did knew those eyes.....

Great Credits to the guys at N-I-R .... my rebel beloved sons....

[davaris]

This one is hard for me to belive but if you are open to the posibilties then i guess it would be pretty easy to belive