Sylvie Vartan Is Dead

[JamesPaul & Brian]

Sylvie Vartan - Nicolas (1979)


Not it is not only a song which returns sometimes
Only a smile, in remembering a boy of formerly
When my days are gray
That it snows on my life, it returns in my memory
The French college one evening it awaited me
It smiled Nicolas

[ Refrain: ]
Nicolas, Nicolas, my first tear was only for you
One was, of the children, our sorrow was worth that of large well
Nicolas, Nicolas, it was love, one did not know it
It is the life, which takes to us
Who takes us along where she wants and where she goes

A man child, with the too large eyes, on a quay, which cried
It snowed, much since, on there low, Paris
And it does not know anything, of me and my life
What I do, who I am
He does not know, other Maritza, he keeps the true one over there

Nicolas, Nicolas my first sorrow is called like you
I knew, that never, I will not return here near you
Nicolas, Nicolas it was love, one did not know it
In fact the time from goes away
Who invents all our sorrows and our joys.
Nicolas, Nicolas, my first tear was only for you
One was children, our sorrow was worth that of large well
Nicolas, Nicolas, it was love, one did not know it
It is the life which takes to us
Who takes us along where she wants and where she goes
Nicolas, Nicolas.....

[ViVi]

What happened to Nicolas ? Does anyone know what he's doing today ?

ViVi

[BeatlePaul]

The "Little Nicola" on MMT.

"I Am the Walrus"
"No you're not!" said Little Nicola (it was my Daddy instead)
From Magical Mystery Tour inner front cover



The Little Nicola was right!

[beatled]

I'm confused, if I'm reading this right, you're saying the kid getting off the plane is not Johnny's and Sylvie's son? Because it's no mystery what happened to him, he goes by the name David Hallyday, and he's a pretty famous guy in France anyway.

www.david-hallyday.com/

[BeatlePaul]

Beatled said:

I'm confused, if I'm reading this right, you're saying the kid getting off the plane is not Johnny's and Sylvie's son? Because it's no mystery what happened to him, he goes by the name David Hallyday, and he's a pretty famous guy in France anyway.

www.david-hallyday.com/

Please re-read all the thread from the beginning.
David Halliday is just another kid....



Here "Fylvie" with David (officially dated 1968)




Here Johnny Halliday with "Fylvie" and Nicola (officially dated 1967)

The same kid? NO!


On August 15th 66, Sylvie Vartan gave birth to a boy called David.

From:
www.rfimusique.com/siteEn/biographie/biographie_6149.asp

[SAPA]

Its preatty well documented that JPM wrote most of Peter and gordons hits himself

Of course there's "world without love"
also "woman","don't want to see you again","nobody i know".
"woman" written by JPM in a different pen name.

Mabye there are songs written by JPM that Sylvia performed(especially if they were in a relationship)
also i'm very curious to hear sylvie/fylvie vocal differences(time for me to get some vinyl)

One last note watching HELP! during "I Need you" song sung by harrison.
towards the end of the song they show JMP's profile with lennon out of focus in the backround.
During one of the last chorus you see JPM singing the line i need you with lennon staring at Paul in awe.
James Paul Mccartney is the greatest known musical genius,(sorry mozart) and he was in his early twenties
Paul inspired all those around him.
In Rubber Soul's "the word"
Lennon admits he didn't get the message(Paul's message of love)until then

[TotalInformation]

In Rubber Soul's "the word"
Lennon admits he didn't get the message(Paul's message of love)until then

Father McCartney, preaching a sermon that no one can hear
No one comes near...

[beatled]

Here Johnny Halliday with "Fylvie" and Nicola (officially dated 1967)

The same kid? NO!

I agree with you, sure, the kid getting off the plane is too old to be David, if the dates are correct. (I would say yes, they are) I just didn't see this addressed, that there is a David Hallyday, so I didn't understand... There is a caption missing here, what is the explanation of who this kid is? If they claim it's David, that would be silly of course, so who do they say it is?

I agree that in the eyes, you may really have something there. And the shape of the face of course.

James Paul Mccartney is the greatest known musical genius,(sorry mozart) and he was in his early twenties

Yes, couldn't agree more! The man calling himself Paul McCartney today is not that. Competent sometimes, and I like some of his stuff, but a genius, no way..

[abbey]

Since Peter Asher was Jane's brother, yes, JPM wrote many songs for them, using fake names.

I can't really see Jane killing Sylvia, but then "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", so they say. But JPM was never faithful to her and she surely knew that. He liked his woman, that's for sure.

In some of the posted pictures, Paul doesn't not look very happy with Sylvia. Could she have gotten pregnant to spite him? It wouldn't be the first time a woman has used that ploy. I will have to agree with ViVi that the child has to be Paul's. The resemblance to JPM's baby pictures speaks clearly for itself.

It does make you wonder how many bastards JPM left. None of The Beatles worried about using condoms. And, of course, The Pill came out in the "60's". Maybe they figured all girls were on the pill or maybe they just didn't give it any thought whatsoever.

The most guys worried about then was "the clap" and it was usually a standing joke with most men about how many times they'd had it. I seriously doubt that The Beatles were any different. Thankfully, AIDS wasn't around at that time.

[BeatlePaul]

Beatled said:

I agree with you, sure, the kid getting off the plane is too old to be David, if the dates are correct. (I would say yes, they are) I just didn't see this addressed, that there is a David Hallyday, so I didn't understand... There is a caption missing here, what is the explanation of who this kid is? If they claim it's David, that would be silly of course, so who do they say it is?

Exactly.
And kids are ALWAYS ahead parents (fake ones or true ones) on plane stairs.....
No one claims that was David too..... It could be more than silly.

I think (and David's jawbone shape tells so much) that David is a Sylvie's son too that she had from Johnny Halliday.

So.... was Paul a too much "jealous guy" for that?
Sorry if.....but this is another legal evidence.

The black cloud crossed my mind
Blue mist round my soul
Feel so suicidal
Even hate my rock and roll wanna die
Yeah, wanna die
If I ain't dead already
Ooh, girl you know the reason why


The black cloud crossed my mind.... blue mist round my soul.
"Crossed" is past.
A black cloud of jealousy?
Did Paul killed Sylvie accidentally then?

(I know it could be just "too much" for many but....)

Tip: please re-read ALL Beatles lyrics now..... from 1965... Help - Rubber Soul - Revolver.... now we can understand all the "clues" before 1966....

[abbey]

Are you saying that Paul was so jealous that she left him for Johnny Halliday that he committed suicide? I can't believe that. Paul never had any trouble getting women. He lost his mum and survived that traumatic experience. And in some of those pictures it looked like he was not happy about being around Sylvie

If anyone was a "jealous guy" it would have been John Lennon.

[SunKing]

A Charles De Gaulle caricature on Magical Mystery Tour Booklet.

All is clear now.

[unrepentant]

Because something is happening here
"But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You raise up your head
And you ask, "Is this where it is?"
And somebody points to you and says
"It's his"

[ViVi]

Okay, now I'm officially totally confused. Could you guys PLEASE stop talking in riddles

ViVi

[SunKing]

Sister said:

Are you saying that Paul was so jealous that she left him for Johnny Halliday that he committed suicide? I can't believe that. Paul never had any trouble getting women. He lost his mum and survived that traumatic experience. And in some of those pictures it looked like he was not happy about being around Sylvie

If anyone was a "jealous guy" it would have been John Lennon.

The black cloud crossed my mind
Blue mist round my soul
Feel so suicidal
Even hate my rock and roll wanna die
Yeah, wanna die
If I ain't dead already
Ooh, girl you know the reason why

Yes, I'm lonely wanna die
Yes, I'm lonely wanna die
If I ain't dead already
Ooh, girl you know the reason why
Yes, I'm lonely wanna die

I am lonely....(just before he was with Sylvie)
Did Paul acted as a "Fool" on that hill?
Blinded of jealosy.

The birth of David could mean the end of his love for Sylvie.

Interesting notes about the song at:
www.stevesbeatles.com/songs/yer_blues.asp

[ViVi]

I feel obligated to state that nowhere does it say that Paul wrote " Yer Blues ". After listening to it & reading the lyrics, I feel that it was written by John, not Paul. It is most definitely John's style of wording. Also, considering the chain of events in his life from 1966 onwards, I would have to guess that John wrote "Yer Blues " about the loss of Paul. He was lonely & missed Paul. They were best friends & VERY prolific songwriters together. I would've been surprised if he didn't miss Paul terribly, to the extent of even feeling suicidal at times ! I believe the "girl " John keeps singing to in the song is Yoko !

ViVi

[abbey]

I agree with ViVi, "Yer Blues" was written by John. It's his style.

Remember the words "we're as close as can be,man". That is how he felt about Paul. Without Paul, it seemed like a part of him had died. They were a fantastic team and part of that team was dead. Johnny wanted to join Paul at times, but he didn't; instead he set about finding who was responsible.

Paul was so popular with the women that he never would have killed himself over one. There was always another "bird" just around the corner. As I stated before, there were some of those pictures where Paul doesn't look happy to be around Sylvie. Looks like he'd rather be somewhere else!

[Delta]

i also agree, but i think that's not what sun king meant.

i think he meant that john had written it from paul's first-person viewpoint. and i feel he's right about this one.

[PaulBearer]

I thinK what SK is implying is that Paul may have accidentally killed Sylvie while in a rage. Everyone loses it occassionally, even the nice guys, particularly if he felt pushed into a corner - pressure to marry her when he was either unwilling or even secretly married to Jane?

[BeatlePaul]

Delta said:

i also agree, but i think that's not what sun king meant.

i think he meant that john had written it from paul's first-person viewpoint. and i feel he's right about this one.

Exactly

.... and John telling: "But I am of the universe" ...

[BeatlePaul]

Paul said:

I thinK what SK is implying is that Paul may have accidentally killed Sylvie while in a rage. Everyone loses it occassionally, even the nice guys, particularly if he felt pushed into a corner - pressure to marry her when he was either unwilling or even secretly married to Jane?

Paul decided to puchase the house in London soon after Sylvie had David from Johnny Halliday (as a "revenge" against Sylvie?).

(speculating...)
On 1965 Sylvie probably told Paul:"Or you marry me or I go with Johnny (Halliday)

So the clues about Paul before September 1966 were about that.....

After David birth Paul probably was still "fool" by his love for Sylvie...

French Hymn ---> Love Love Love

All he needed is love... (I can hear that in some lines.....)

Oh! darling, please believe me
I'll never do you no harm
Believe me when I tell you
I'll never do you no harm

Oh! Darling, if you leave me
I'll never make it alone
Believe me when I tell you, ooo
Don't ever leave me alone

When you told me
You didn't need me anymore
Well you know I nearly broke down and cried
When you told me
you didn't need me anymore
Well you know I nearly broke down and died

Oh! Darling if you leave me
I'll never make it alone
Believe me when I tell you
I'll never do you no harm
(Believe me darling)

When you told me
You didn't need me anymore
Well you know I nearly broke down and cried
When you told me
you didn't need me anymore
Well you know I nearly broke down and died

Oh! Darling, please believe me
I'll never let you down
Oh, believe me darling
Believe me when I tell you, ooo
I'll never do you no harm


I want you
I want you so bad
I want you
I want you so bad
It's driving me mad
It's driving me mad

I want you
I want you so bad, babe
I want you
I want you so bad
It's driving me mad
It's driving me mad

I want you
I want you so bad
I want you
I want you so bad
It's driving me mad
It's driving me mad

I want you
I want you so bad, babe
I want you
I want you so bad
It's driving me mad
It's driving me mad

She's so heavy
heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy

I want you
I want you so bad
I want you
I want you so bad
It's driving me mad
It's driving me mad

I want you
I want you so bad, babe
I want you
You know I want you so bad
It's driving me mad
It's driving me mad

Yeah, she's so heavy
heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy

I want you
I want you so bad
I want you
I want you so bad
It's driving me mad
It's driving me mad

I want you
I want you so bad, babe
I want you
You know I want you so bad
It's driving me mad
It's driving me mad

She's so






"The Fool On The Hill" COMPLETE stripe.
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[ViVi]

There is more than one way to interpret these songs.
P.B. it's easy enough to determine if Paul was ever married to Jane. If she is legally married to her current spouse, she would've needed to get a divorce or an annulment from Paul. I'm sure that is in the marriage records dept. somewhere in London. If there's no record of it, it never happened. The same thing with billy Macca. If James Paul was married to Jane, Macca would've had to get a divorce or annulment from Jane before he could marry Linda Eastman ! These are things that shouldn't be too hard to determine with a little effort, for someone who lives over there in London & has the time to chase down the facts. Maybe someone who has the right connections & can get the answers we need.
I'd have to see alot more proof than what has been given so far, to even CONSIDER that Paul could kill someone. About the only way I WOULD even consider it, would be that she might've clung onto him to get him to listen to her & he pushed her away too hard. She might've fallen badly, hit her head, & died from the injury. Paul was NEVER a touchy feely kind of guy. I don't think he liked letting people get too close to him !
BTW - for Paul to have killed Sylvie would mean that he did it after she gave birth to David, but before he himself was killed right ? Could someone please give us a time-line here ?
I honestly don't know who wrote Oh Darling. I read somewhere that John & Paul used to make a game of it. John would come out with the 1st line, Paul the second, John the third, etc.
Also, I think that the songs that have so much repetition of phrases in them are John's work. I don't think Paul liked repeating the same things over & over.
This is speculation on my part, folks.
What I'm about to say is REALLY speculation, so please don't jump on me.
I believe that She's so Heavy was written by John about his love for Paul. She's so heavy refers to everyone's favorite Japanese sorceress - Yoko Ono !
That makes more sense to me, than what has been said so far
John could want Paul till the cows came home. It didn't matter, Paul was gone. I don't think he meant it sexually. I think he felt lost. He needed Paul in his life. He was singing to Paul !
What isn't being considered here is that John was forced to replace Paul with Yoko in his life. Bill never could fill Paul's shoes in any way, so Yoko it had to be ! She is cunning & brilliant. I'm sure that she caught John's attention by her eccentricities. He tried to use her to inspire him in his later works.
I just looked over the words to Oh Darling again. If you interpret this song considering what I just said, it takes on a whole different meaning. If you take it in the context that John KNEW Paul wanted out of The Beatles, it takes on a whole different meaning. Maybe John wrote Oh Darling for Paul ? I'm sure he knew that if Paul left the group ( & his life ) he would be on his own again.
Or, John could've written it after Cynthia threatened to leave him. It's also well known that John used to raise his hands to her. I honestly don't think John liked being alone very much. It's well known how insecure John was.
What I'm trying to point out about these type of songs, is that they could've been written by John. Or they could've been written by John & Paul. There is a possibility that Oh Darling was written by Paul. Does anyone know who was more likely to use the word darling, John or Paul ? Paul always came across as self-confident. I just can't see him writing a song like that. Unless we get word from someone who was there when the songs were written, I doubt we'll ever really know who wrote what & for what reason.

ViVi

[abbey]

ViVi, good work. I believe you are right. John would know Paul was planning on leaving and going single. John couldn't bear that lose. Paul could go it alone; Johnny could not. For all his bravado, Johnny was very insecure.

Yoko caught John at the lowest point of his life and used it to her full advantage. But she could not replace Paul anymore that Bill could. John's feelings for Paul were so strong that no substitute could take Paul's place.

And as well as friends, the team of Lennon-McCartney turned out fantastic music for many years. They are consider among the top composers.

[beatled]

I don't know what to say about Paul being responsible for Sylvie's death other than I pretty strongly disagree. Yeah really...

But as for She's So Heavy, I've always wondered if it's a simple one really.. What do pallbearers inevitably say? He/she's "so heavy".. Simply changing he to she for the song..The whole emotional tone of the background noise is so dark, with what sounds like a strong wind in the background.

[abbey]

Neither can I imagine Paul killing anyone or being responsible for their death. He might push her away, but I don't think the push would be that hard. Unless she put on a big act, falling around, and tripped herself up. But, in reality, I don't think he had anything to do with her death.

Jane was the one who encouraged Paul to invest in a house. Probably so they could have more private time than they could with his living in another room at her parents' house. Also, Jane and Paul went to antique shops and to second hand stores to get the furnishings for his house. Jane and Paul, not Sylvie and Paul.

She's So Heavy could denote a funeral procession as Beatled stated. It would make sense and I have heard that saying. However, having Yoko around could be construed as heavy, as she was constantly under foot. John couldn't even go potty without her following him into the bathroom!!!! Seriously.