Sylvie Vartan Is Dead

[Power 2 The People]

BeatlePaul said:

I've read the same about but magazines of those times didn't report such things.
Reverse engineered folkore.

Most of that came straight from Lennon's own mouth during various interviews. I believe it was also written about in Hunter Davies Authorized biography in '68.

[BeatlePaul]

Power^2 said:

Most of that came straight from Lennon's own mouth during various interviews. I believe it was also written about in Hunter Davies Authorized biography in '68.

I've told about 1966 interviews.
After that year everything was told "officially"and we know the level of truth about.
Your avatar tells more than any other word.
It's just perfect.

[abbey]

Remember that during interviews Johnny had to cover his arse and would say something that they wanted to hear, rather than the truth. The truth was put in his songs.....

[TotalInformation]

Michelle, ma belle
These are words that go together well
My Michelle

Michelle, ma belle
Sont des mots qui vont tres bien ensemble
tres bien ensemble

I love you, I love you, I love you
that's all I want to say
Until I find a way
I will say the only words I know you'll understand

Michelle, ma belle
Sont des mots qui vont tres bien ensemble
tres bien ensemble

I need to, I need to, I need to
I need to make you see
Oh, what you mean to me
Until I do I'm hoping you will know what I mean
I love you

I want you, I want you, I want you
I think you know by now
I'll get to you some how
Until I do I'm telling you so you'll understand

Michelle, ma belle
Sont des mots qui vont tres bien ensemble
tres bien ensemble
And I will say the only words I know that you'll understand
My Michelle

[TheDZ]

Ma Ma Belle

Got love, if that's what you need
I got three or four babies sittin' on my knee
I got love waitin' for you
I come sneakin' round the corner of the avenue

You gotta Ma-Ma-Ma Belle, or I will get you
You know you gotta Ma-Ma-Ma Belle, before I get you

There's one thing that's on my mind
And that's getting hold of you before I serve my time
I'll keep on, with my heavy load
Till I see you come a strollin' down that open road

You gotta Ma-Ma-Ma Belle, or I will get you
You know you gotta Ma-Ma-Ma Belle, before I get you

I love you Ma-Ma-Ma Belle
That's why I want to get it all well I'm sure you can tell
I got, good soul, runnin' so deep
Gonna get you in the corner so that I can keep
Can't you hear me once Ma-Ma-Ma Belle

You gotta Ma-Ma-Ma Belle, or I will get you
You know you gotta Ma-Ma-Ma Belle, before I get you

BlueBird is Dead

Little Darlin' of my life
You keep movin' cross my mind
You gave me a sunny day
Now it looks as if I'll pay

Why do they say -- Bluebird is dead?
I can still see her, touch her, my Bluebird
The love that she gave, I don't believe, No, No, I don't believe

Bluebird came to me tonight
Waiting patiently for light
She said I know that you will grieve
But my darlin' I must leave

Why do they say -- Bluebird is dead?
I can still see her, touch her, my Bluebird
The love that she gave, I don't believe, No, No, I don't believe

Bluebird say it is not so
Please I cannot hear you speak
It must be that you're so tired
In the darkness of the night

Why do they say -- Bluebird is dead?
I can still see her, touch her, my Bluebird
The love that she gave, I don't believe, No, No, I don't believe

ELO- On the Third Day-1973

[BeatlePaul]

The said:

BlueBird is Dead

Little Darlin' of my life
You keep movin' cross my mind
You gave me a sunny day
Now it looks as if I'll pay

Why do they say -- Bluebird is dead?
I can still see her, touch her, my Bluebird
The love that she gave, I don't believe, No, No, I don't believe

Bluebird came to me tonight
Waiting patiently for light
She said I know that you will grieve
But my darlin' I must leave

Why do they say -- Bluebird is dead?
I can still see her, touch her, my Bluebird
The love that she gave, I don't believe, No, No, I don't believe

Bluebird say it is not so
Please I cannot hear you speak
It must be that you're so tired
In the darkness of the night

Why do they say -- Bluebird is dead?
I can still see her, touch her, my Bluebird
The love that she gave, I don't believe, No, No, I don't believe

ELO- On the Third Day-1973

FANTASTIC!
So "Blue Jay" was Sylvie's nickname since her dress when she met THE BEATLES for the first time!




birds.cornell.edu/BOW/BLUJAY/



That song tells about Paul meeting Fylvie.



The question mark as a star instead a dot.
The same reference about the star on Sgt. Pepper cover?


Coach .... here is a FANTASTIC TEAM ... isn't it?

[abbey]

Those songs might have something to do with Paul & Sylvie, they might not. You can't expect every group from the late 1960's & 1970's to be writing songs about it. They had their own lives to write about. Maybe one of the guys in ELO lost a lover who he called BlueBird.
There was also the song Ma Belle Amie. I always thought that the guy singing backup on that sounded like PAUL. I'm pretty sure that we've discussed this song before:

Ma Belle Amie

Sung by: the Tee Set
Written by: Hans Van Eijck and Peter Tetteroo

You were a child of the sun and the sky
and the deep blue sea.
Ma Belle Amie.
Apres' tous les beaux jours je te dis merci merci.
You were the answer on all my questions
before we're through.
I want to tell you that I adore you
and always do.
That you amaze me by leaving me now and start anew
Ma Belle Amie
I'm in love with you.

Let the bells ring
let the bird sing
let's all give my substitute a big cheer.
Let the bells ring.
let the birds sing
for the man after him waits here.

Ma Belle Amie
you were a child of the sun and the sky
and the deep blue sea.
Ma Belle Amie.
There was a time that you thought
that your only friend was me.


Recorded in 1969 by this Dutch quintet, this was a pleasant piece of pop/rock first issued in Holland, where it sold 100,000 copies. In February 1970 it climbed to #5 in the US charts where it remained for 10 weeks. (thanks, Rato - Lisbon, Portugal)
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Since it was recorded in 1969 in Holland, I rather doubt that FAUL sang backup on it. However, the person singing backup sounds an AWFUL lot like him.
A person impersonating a vocal impersonator. The ramifications of THAT boggles the mind

And NO, I don't believe that it has ANYTHING to do with Paul & Sylvie. She was dead LONG before that song was recorded.

[beatled]

Power^2 said:

Tomorrow never knows was inspired by his interest in the Tibetan Book of the Dead, influenced by LSD.

I'm not sure about the LSD part, but Paul himself, yes I mean JPM, said "Tomorrow Never Knows" was "based on the Tibetan book of the dead".

Revolver press conference, August 1966, Hollywood

[BeatlePaul]

JoJo said:

I'm not sure about the LSD part, but Paul himself, yes I mean JPM, said "Tomorrow Never Knows" was "based on the Tibetan book of the dead".

Revolver press conference, August 1966, Hollywood

Exactly.
I think that Paul and Brian after being in France would go to India to meet George.
LSD is a full Faul's matter.

[abbey]

She Said, She Said was in reference to an LSD trip when Peter Fonda came by saying, "I know what it's like to be dead".

Tomorrow Never Knows was from the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

Although I won't disclaim Johnny feeling like he would have liked to be dead after Paul's death.

[BeatlePaul]

Sister said:

She Said, She Said was in reference to an LSD trip when Peter Fonda came by saying, "I know what it's like to be dead".

Tomorrow Never Knows was from the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

Although I won't disclaim Johnny feeling like he would have liked to be dead after Paul's death.

JoJo's way is always the best.
Peter Fonda spoke for himself.

She Said She Said
Lennon/McCartney

She said I know what it's like to be dead
I know what it is to be sad
And she's making me feel like I've never been born

I said who put all the things in your head
Things that make me feel that I'm mad
And you're making me feel like I've never been born

She said you don't understand what I said
I said no, no, no you're wrong
When I was a boy, everything was right
Everything was right

I said even though you know what you know
I know that I'm ready to leave
'Cause you're making me feel like I've never been born

She said you don't understand what I said
I said no, no, no you're wrong
When I was a boy, everything was right
Everything was right

She said
I know what it's like to be dead
I know what it is to be sad
I know that it's like to be dead

LSD started with Faul.
Before just only smoke.

[TheDZ]

BeatlePaul said:

LSD started with Faul.
Before just only smoke.

Finally , the truth!


Btw Sis,

Jeff Lynne and ELO aren't just 'anybody'...
www.connollyco.com/discography/elo/index.html
www.connollyco.com/discography/jeff_lynne/
www.connollyco.com/discography/george_harrison/index.html
www.connollyco.com/discography/traveling_wilburys/index.html

It's quite clear to me that when Bill went "solo" , the others made an effort to distribute the truth....to be assembled later.
Just connect the dots...they aren't that far apart.
They wanted us to know everything!

[Power 2 The People]

Sister said:

She Said, She Said was in reference to an LSD trip when Peter Fonda came by saying, "I know what it's like to be dead".

Tomorrow Never Knows was from the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

Although I won't disclaim Johnny feeling like he would have liked to be dead after Paul's death.

Yes, but it was written before he died. I think the LSD/Peter Fonda story is correct, at least if we take John's recollection of it.

[abbey]

Byrdsmaniac, when he sang :

let's all give my substitute a big cheer.

for the man after him waits here.


He meant that she had thrown him over for another guy. That if she ever got tired of him, he still wanted her BACK !!!
Not EVERYTHING written in the late 1960's & 1970's was about PID

DeZom, you've gone & lost me. Are you saying that the people who are were in ELO had worked with Bill BEFORE he became Paul
If that is the case, I can see why they would put clues in some of their songs.

I have to say, that everyone has become very prolific in trying to find clues everywhere possible to try to solve this mystery. That in itself is a wonderful thing.
HOWEVER, it should be understood that not everyone is going to view things in the same way. We all have to keep an open mind & be as flexible as possible.

Just because I don't always see things the same way as other people here doesn't make my opinion any less valid.

We all will find revelation where we find it. HOWEVER, not everyone is going to see it, or even agree with it. Even if it turns out that 1/3 of all the new stuff being discussed is right on, that is still an incredible achievement !

[gracemer]

BeatlePaul, if the Beatles didn't do LSD til Faul, then what about the story about the dentist surreptitiously spiking their drinks with LSD at a party? Wasn't that the summer of '66 or even earlier?

As for the Sylvie stuff, I don't buy into any of it. Once he met Jane, that was it for Paul--heartwise--though he may have lent his body out to others. I don't think anyone's posted any strong evidence supporting a genuine LOVE relationship between Paul and Sylvie.

Sometimes songs aren't about anyone in particular and don't have any underlying meaning.

[BeatlePaul]

gracemer said:

BeatlePaul, if the Beatles didn't do LSD til Faul, then what about the story about the dentist surreptitiously spiking their drinks with LSD at a party? Wasn't that the summer of '66 or even earlier?

Please gimme "strong evidence" about.
Thanks

As for the Sylvie stuff, I don't buy into any of it. Once he met Jane, that was it for Paul--heartwise--though he may have lent his body out to others. I don't think anyone's posted any strong evidence supporting a genuine LOVE relationship between Paul and Sylvie.

Paul was in France on September 1966.
Officially.
Officially without Jane.

[TheDZ]

Sister said:

Byrdsmaniac, when he sang :

let's all give my substitute a big cheer.

for the man after him waits here.


He meant that she had thrown him over for another guy. That if she ever got tired of him, he still wanted her BACK !!!
Not EVERYTHING written in the late 1960's & 1970's was about PID

DeZom, you've gone & lost me. Are you saying that the people who are were in ELO had worked with Bill BEFORE he became Paul
If that is the case, I can see why they would put clues in some of their songs.

I have to say, that everyone has become very prolific in trying to find clues everywhere possible to try to solve this mystery. That in itself is a wonderful thing.
HOWEVER, it should be understood that not everyone is going to view things in the same way. We all have to keep an open mind & be as flexible as possible.

Just because I don't always see things the same way as other people here doesn't make my opinion any less valid.

We all will find revelation where we find it. HOWEVER, not everyone is going to see it, or even agree with it. Even if it turns out that 1/3 of all the new stuff being discussed is right on, that is still an incredible achievement !

Sis I mean to say that many people in the UK music scene were fully aware of the facts.

Remember, John George, Ringo and BILL were all in on the clue dispensing. They had many associates that knew the story as well. Perhaps they recruited some to help them distribute the truth in pieces.

They couldn't just say it outright after they were bound by oaths. They had to say without saying....

I understand that the trail is fuzzy and bizarre but all of us here can say one thing for sure....
'Official' histories are junk because Paul McCartney is really, really dead.

we need 'friends' to guide us...

And of course, please genuinely question all that is said here. It's the only way to know .

It’s gonna take time
A whole lot of precious time
It’s gonna take patience and time, ummm
To do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it,
To do it right child

[gracemer]

Beatle Paul, here's one reference--there's more out there--if there's any date discrepancies I'll let you know. Scroll down to Spring 1965. Paul was the last one to take it (if he ever did) as I believe he didn't want his mind screwed around with (smart boy). But the others were on it from Spring '65 on.

udel.edu/~mm/beatles/john.html

Paul may have officially been in France officially without Jane, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was with Sylvie--Paul and Jane didn't officially break up til after Paul's death. We were expecting a wedding--and maybe there was one!

[PaulBearer]

gracemer said:

BeatlePaul, if the Beatles didn't do LSD til Faul, then what about the story about the dentist surreptitiously spiking their drinks with LSD at a party? Wasn't that the summer of '66 or even earlier?

It was George and John who had therir drinks spiked, not Paul or Ringo as I recall that story and it was in '65. I think the dentist was "Dr. Robert".

[beatled]

The dentist story is one that John spoke of in an interview in Anthology, (from an old interview) and it only involved John and George I believe. Definitely not Paul. Again speaking from memory, but it prob was not '66, maybe '65.

Agree that Beatle history gets "reverse engineered", but the picture I get from all I've read, heard and viewed is that John and George were early adopters of LSD, while Paul stayed clear. I remember George speaking of Bill's famous LSD interview, and how "odd" it was to hear him talking about using it, when they had been trying to get him (JPM probably) to try it for quite some time...

I think George was telegraphing.

[abbey]

DeZom - I agree completely with what you just said. I'm sure that the people in the UK on the music scene in the late 1960's & 1970's knew ALL about what happened to Paul. We've been saying that for awhile. That it was an OPEN secret.
I find it truly astounding that it never made it onto the main stream media. Oaths or no oaths. There had to be more to it. Threats & people disappearing & reappearing looking DIFFERENT. That would scare the pants off of me, that's for sure
Byrds - just because songs refer to space, flying, Angels & Muses, doesn't mean they're pointing to PAUL.
Paul was not an ANGEL. Not by any stretch of the imagination. He was just a man. He had his vices, which got him into ALL kinds of trouble.
In one paragraph his drug dependencies are being discussed. In another, he's being seen as some kind of Angelic spirit.
It can't be both ways, folks. Paul dropped acid. Maybe not as many times as John & George did, but he DID experiment with it. He sang about it in The Word. It's not John singing it, it's PAUL. The Word is about Orange Sunshine acid. It seemed that after dropping Orange Sunshine acid Paul could feel LOVE all around him !
Now THAT was a GREAT trip ! ;D
Can someone else PLEASE listen to that song & back me up on this ?
Thanks

[Delta]

i can hear john clearly singing lead in 'the word'. sorry.

as for dope, that's not my field of expertise.

[TotalInformation]

James Paul wrote and sang lead on "The Word" in 1965.

It is a song about LOVE.

Not LSD.

[Delta]

technically, john, paul and george sang lead. but it's john singing the verses, i.m.h.o.

i don't know how reliable this claim is, but john is quoted as saying in 1980 that "'The Word' was written together (with Paul), but it's mainly mine. You read the words, it's all about gettin' smart. It's the marijuana period. It's love. It's a love and peace thing. The word is 'love,' right?"

[TotalInformation]

Delta, I'm pretty sure I've read another quote from Lennon where he said he didn't get what James Paul was talking about in re: LOVE until he heard "The Word." I don't have a cite right now, I'm sorry.

I think the problem is that by 1980, Lennon was fighting faux-Paul over James Paul's legacy and he was more apt to take credit for James Paul's work rather than let faux-Paul claim credit, lest it be associated with Silly Love Songs and related asininity.

Think in re: "The Word": Father McCartney, writing a sermon that no one will hear

Anyway, yes, my Capitol LP of Rubber Soul does credit the vocals to "John, Paul and George," with Paul on piano and Geo Martin on harmonium.