John Lennon <-> his official double

[unrepentant]

i wonder if any outtakes of MMT ever hit the market? i think they would be very closely guarded, as there was probably outright admission on the set that it was billy not paul they were working with.

[Perplexed]

beatlepaul said:

beatled said:

Great song, (Ding Dong Ding Dong) which I will share, but I always felt if it had any meaning, it was for the other replacement...

I still remember a George Martin interview (about George Harrison death) where he states he still wonders HOW George could write songs such as "Something" and "Here Comes The Sun" ....

About John's double......

I was always wondering about......

I remember "I'm Down" video (fantastic!)
I remember John on organ playing fantastic and having a very good hands position on the keyboard showing a very good skill ....

I remember "Imagine" video....
Where "John" has a weird hands position on piano keyboard like an absolute beginner.....

(I am a pianist folks....)

There are a few shots of John they seem out of kilter. I will post them tomorrow. I think John lived in the public eye till 1980 for sure. But security reasons make decoy doubles useful for the overly famous.

Do you reckon Yoko Ono has a double somewhere? Why has this never been suggested or discussed? I don't know. Maybe in her case--well, forive this, but she can present a rather stern exterior sometimes. You know, a kind of useful intimidating glare, like an eagle in captivity. A glance, a look, an expression that make you say, "Hey I'm not messin' with this gal."

"I dont need no stinkin' doubles!"




The search for a looka-like for Yoko.....how would that go?..........Ms. Ono would want to train her herself.


On second thought, let's not venture down this path of inquiry.

[BeatlePaul]

That's memeber "moped" avatar here.

Really interesting!!!!

Please, moped, if you are still on line explain us.....

[BeatlePaul]

moped .... moped ..... where is moped now?


Ah btw:

www.gitarrenelektronik.de/elektronik/paf/paf.html

Young Faux-John on action...

[moped]

Hi BP.

So, what do you think? You know my views on "Feric" . Pretty good match? I think it is. Certainly more of a match than the crap posted over at the Funhouse, eh?

[plastic paul]

So is Eric supposed to be John or George now.............?

[Paul Bearer]

John's double may be Charlie Brill.

[byrdsmaniac]

This was mentioned here:
60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=other&action=display&thread=1151303721&page=1

Ludwig posted a picture where Brill looked like Sammy Davis Jr. in an afro.
Interesting that he was on the Ed Sullivan show with the Beatles.
An understudy, perhaps?

[Ludwig]

I clearly remember seeing this guy on game shows, Tonight Show etc. during the seventies and always thought he looked and acted a bit like Groucho Marx. I must say, I do see a pretty strong Lennon resemblance through the hair and handlebar mustache. Is the Secret Woid "Disguise"? Where's the rubber duck?

[sweetlorettamartin]

Just give him long straight hair, round metal framed glasses he has the nose and mustache Lennon wore about the time of Sgt. Pepper.

Maybe he didn't become John Lennon in the sense of Faul/Paul, but this man has a strong resemblance. More than (F)eric Clapton.

But maybe they had a backup double just in case of emergency.

[Paul Bearer]

I understanbd a double was used in the opening scene of "How I Won The War". This is because John was called elsewhere - corpse finding! But "officially", he was still doing the film.

[TotalInformation]

What's your source on that, PB?

[Paul Bearer]

totalinformation said:

What's your source on that, PB?

BP - he mentioned something about the opening scene being John's double earlier on.

[sweetlorettamartin]

paulbearer said:

John's double may be Charlie Brill.

Can you say "Double Fantasy"?

[sweetlorettamartin]

There is such a strangeness in all of this that words can't really describe.

The Beatles I remember pre 66 had such a different sound and a different chemistry that was so unique. It was often imitated but never duplicated. Even with these doubles/replacements with a strong resemblance physically, it can't duplicate the souls of the original Beatles.

Now as to how much time these imposters/replacements worked together as a "band" in appearances or photo ops I can't say. But it would explain why the "appearances" were not together as a whole since 1966. You may have seen John and George together, Ringo and Faul, or some other combination of two, but very seldom all four. And it would definitely explain the biggest reason why they never appeared live as a group since 1966, except LIB footage.

I just didn't get the same feel from the group after 1967..although still a child at the time of the change, children are more aware of senses than adults usually. Even if they don't understand what is happening there is a sense of strangeness about the later years and the doubles would explain it all. I could not get any sense of the magic they had before 1966 afterwards. The loss of JPM alone would affect them greatly. But if there were doubles working after that in any combination of all imposters or just two imposters and two genuine Beatles...it just wasn't the same.

another thing one can sense is looking at the eyes of each Beatle and each double/replacement. The eyes are a window to the soul and you can just sense the spark or lack in their eyes.

The "John" that is in the picture next to Charlie Brill, may look like John Lennon, but something just doesn't feel right about him. You may get someone with similiar features, or even be a dead ringer, or have someone completely made into someone else with plastic surgery, the eyes still reflects the soul inside.

[PaulDead66]

Yeah, now I know John was replaced too like the other Beatles
John was often replaced, there are many pics with his double
It could be that the 8. December 1980 was John's Double day of dead???
We think this is not John in the casket

[JamesPaul & Brian]

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John double:




Eric double:




Doubles ear comparison

[PaulDead66]

You're right, that's clear his double



But is Feric Fohn???

[BeatlePaul]

jamespaul said:

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John double:




Eric double:




Doubles ear comparison

I can see a very different nose and a losing effect filler on the double jawbone.

But "the effect" was great.

Faul was a bit more weird as double because he was a "second hand" replacement -Faux Brian and then Faux Paul-

[unrepentant]

(maybe this is what syd barrett meant by "it is obvious".)

i stand by my earlier claim: beatle doubles were used ONLY in the touring days and only a very few times. the JPM replacement was the result of panic on the part of the beatles and the fact- for better or worse- that EMI's upper echelon was in bed with british intelligence.

[BeatlePaul]

unrepentant said:

(maybe this is what syd barrett meant by "it is obvious".)

i stand by my earlier claim: beatle doubles were used ONLY in the touring days and only a very few times. the JPM replacement was the result of panic on the part of the beatles and the fact- for better or worse- that EMI's upper echelon was in bed with british intelligence.

Agreed.

EMI's upper echelon was in bed with british intelligence

This is THE CORE of the matter.

But the true Eric Clapton was George double.
The Beatles needed another GENIUS inside after Paul was no more "usable".

Why Eric accepted?
That's the mystery of LOVE.

Love the Beatles

[Perplexed]

beatlepaul said:

unrepentant said:

(maybe this is what syd barrett meant by "it is obvious".)

i stand by my earlier claim: beatle doubles were used ONLY in the touring days and only a very few times. the JPM replacement was the result of panic on the part of the beatles and the fact- for better or worse- that EMI's upper echelon was in bed with british intelligence.

Agreed.

EMI's upper echelon was in bed with british intelligence

This is THE CORE of the matter.

But the true Eric Clapton was George double.
The Beatles needed another GENIUS inside after Paul was no more "usable".

Why Eric accepted?
That's the mystery of LOVE.

Love the Beatles

And what about the Rolling Stones?

[Perplexed]

beatlepaul said:

unrepentant said:

(maybe this is what syd barrett meant by "it is obvious".)

i stand by my earlier claim: beatle doubles were used ONLY in the touring days and only a very few times. the JPM replacement was the result of panic on the part of the beatles and the fact- for better or worse- that EMI's upper echelon was in bed with british intelligence.

Agreed.

EMI's upper echelon was in bed with british intelligence

This is THE CORE of the matter.

But the true Eric Clapton was George double.
The Beatles needed another GENIUS inside after Paul was no more "usable".

Why Eric accepted?
That's the mystery of LOVE.

Love the Beatles

Feric Feorge with Feorgey Feorge:



The real George:



More George later in life:

[sweetlorettamartin]

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If this is really George, it appears he had a nose job as well as porcelain veneers

[unrepentant]

he had either a wig or really long hair around 1990 as i recall....that was one of his "recluse" periods.