Doris/Fauris marathon on TCM

[TotalInformation]

Turner Classic Movies started a 24-hr 'Doris Day' marathon at 6am ET.

The schedule seems Fauris-heavy, but Doris is fairly well-represented as well.

[gracemer]

I was going through photos of Doris just this week. Can't tell the difference. When was she replaced?

[PaulBearer]

In about 1958/59. Her first appearance was in "Pillow Talk".

[TotalInformation]

I'm not so sure Fauris debuted in Pillow Talk. It may have been earlier.

gm, Uberkinder's original presentation should be back in circulation soon; hang tight.

[gracemer]

All these are 1947-1952. I presume this is Doris.

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I've now had a chance to watch most of the marathon TCM aired; I watched them in chronological order. It really did seem in some of the later ones like I was "looking through" 'Fauris', or "Eunice," as Rock Hudson called her, like she wasn't real. Kind of eerie.

I'm now placing the switch earlier than Pillow Talk, more like 1957 than 59. I also think it's possible there was a period where two people were both performing as DORIS DAY; but, obviously, much is still obscure.

GM, where is that swimsuit shot from?

[gracemer]

Total, I don't know where or when it was taken (so actually I lied when I said they were ALL taken between '47 and '52). I found it by googling Doris Day and clicking images. It's in the first row. She doesn't look like herself does she? Yet in that photo she looks a lot like the one with her mother, where the other two look more like the later Doris.

[beldabeast]

Are there any web pages on this topic ? I have done several searches but have seen nothing .

Anyone do one of those photo-shop thingys on her ?

[sinbad]

gracemer said:

Total, I don't know where or when it was taken (so actually I lied when I said they were ALL taken between '47 and '52). I found it by googling Doris Day and clicking images. It's in the first row. She doesn't look like herself does she? Yet in that photo she looks a lot like the one with her mother, where the other two look more like the later Doris.

Gracemer, all of the photos you posted above are of the real Doris. The fake Doris(whatever her real name is) has a certain look about her that is evident the more and more you view her pictures and movies. The difference is more obvious than the differences of Paul and Faul imo. Or at least easier to overcome since most people these days are fans of Paul moreso than Doris. It's hard to explain but I will post some pictures soon here for all to see and compare.

The movie "Julie" was most likely Foris' first film as Doris. I haven't verified that fully but "The Pajama Game" which came out in 1956 or 1957 was made right after "Julie" and stars Foris and you can easily rent this movie since it was/is very popular. Hearing Foris trying to sing in this movie is weird since she had such a beautiful voice 2 years earlier in "The Man Who Knew Too Much". Answer: different woman, different voice.

The reason maybe why some think "Pillow Talk" was the first movie with a fake Doris was because it looks like Foris has some more plastic surgery in this film. Her nose looks smaller and her hair is styled differently. Sort of a new look but still the fake Doris that was in the previous 3 films imho.

[gracemer]

Thanks Sinbad. I look forward to the pictures.

[TotalInformation]

I have yet to see Pajama Game, but I have seen Julie and I think you may be right...

Question on the Pajama Game -- do you think Fauris/Eunice did all the singing, or is it possible older Doris vocal tracks were used for some of the tracks? The songs themselves had been around since at least 1954, when Pajama Game opened as a Broadway show.

[sinbad]

TotalInformation said:

I have yet to see Pajama Game, but I have seen Julie and I think you may be right...

Question on the Pajama Game -- do you think Fauris/Eunice did all the singing, or is it possible older Doris vocal tracks were used for some of the tracks? The songs themselves had been around since at least 1954, when Pajama Game opened as a Broadway show.

It seems that the fake Doris made a go at it, but anything's possible. It certainly would have been better quality imo had the real Doris sang it since she had a beautiful voice.

Btw, who is Eunice?

[gracemer]

Yes, who IS Eunice? I came across this site which maintains there were 2 Doris Days who were former band singers and actresses at the same time. Pictures. Is this the real Doris or were there actually 2 Dorises at the same time, one of whom died and was replaced?

home.freeuk.net/dorisday/alternative.htm

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Rock Hudson never called faux-Doris "Doris," he called her "Eunice."

I don't know if Doris Day 2.0 was born as "Eunice," but it's as good a name as any for her, ne c'est pas?

[PaulBearer]

We've still got to be careful with pictures off the internet and so on. I wonder if they've done some photo/DVD doctoring on her as well.

I saw a movie with Doris in it from 1953 - Calamity Jane - and it looked like she had some freckes in it as I recall. But the real Doris didn't I thought! Have they doctored that movie it to make her look more like Foris? I'm not sure.

BTW, Trivia for Julie

Can we establish exactly which movie we think the witch took place?

[sinbad]

Paul said:

We've still got to be careful with pictures off the internet and so on. I wonder if they've done some photo/DVD doctoring on her as well.

Exactly. And I've already noticed the photo doctoring. For instance, Foris has a "widow's peak" which is a dip down on the hairline on the forehead and Doris did not. You can see in some pictures of Doris they have shaded that area to give the appearance of a widow's peak.

See the shading at the top of Doris' hairline:

Can we establish exactly which movie we think the witch took place?

It looks like the movie Julie was Foris' first although I am not 100% sure. I've only seen still shots and they look like fake Doris. One would have to see the movie to know for sure and it's hard to find to rent because it wasn't that popular of a movie. Not like The Pajama Game or Pillow Talk.

[sinbad]

....and in this pic, a shot of what Doris' hairline really looked like.

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Upcoming:

• The Ballad of Josie (1967)
AMC, Sun Dec 12 12:00pm EST

• That Touch of Mink (1962)
AMC, Sun Dec 12 02:00pm EST

• Pillow Talk (1959)
AMC, Sun Dec 12 04:00pm EST

• That Touch of Mink (1962)
AMC, Mon Dec 13 03:15am EST

• Young at Heart (1954)
AMC, Mon Dec 13 05:15am EST

• The Ballad of Josie (1967)
AMC, Wed Dec 22 04:00am EST

[gracemer]

Sinbad, I think that in the last photo you posted that those are Doris's bangs and not her hairline.

[abbey]

According to your photo, gracemer, she still doesn't have a widow's peak !

[gracemer]

If you go to Doris/Foris, You Decide (and we ought to combine these threads so we can keep the pictures together) you'll see "Foris" has a bit of a widow's peak. How do I copy pics from someone else's posts over here?

[abbey]

You have to copy it into your harddrive & then take it from there.

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Date: 5 Apr 2004 06:34:00 -0700
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> It was yesterday, same as Marlon Brando's! Talk about polar opposites....


That's what she wants you to think. In fact, she was a band singer as
early as 1935, and she was not 11 years old. Some of us suspect 1916
is a lot closer to the truth than 1924.

Allan Rogg


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> > That's what she wants you to think. In fact, she was a band singer
> as
> > early as 1935, and she was not 11 years old. Some of us suspect
> 1916
> > is a lot closer to the truth than 1924.


> > Allan Rogg


> I'm not saying you're wrong, after all film stars have been known to
> lie about their ages but it's quite possible that Doris did sing with
> a band at age eleven. She started in show business very young, when
> she was twelve she had a dance act formed after she had won a talent
> contest.


> I'd be interested in your sources, was the 1935 gig a talent contest
> of some sort perhaps?. imdb has it that she started singing with Les
> Brown somewhere around 1940 when she was sixteen.


> Dave in Toronto



She was singing professionally with the Cincinnati bandleader Barney
Rapp, who gave her her stage name, in 1935. Any substantial history
of the big bands will contain information on Rapp's career. She also
sang with Bob Crosby's band before she joined Les Brown in 1940, when
she would have been 16 by the generally accepted chronology.

I first heard about Doris Day's early career from my mother who, as a
17-year-old freshman at Cornell in 1935-36 roomed with an older girl
who had gone to school with Doris Kappelhoff in Ohio and identified
her as the Doris Day who was already touring and broadcasting with
Rapp and his band.


My guess is the 1924 birthdate was adopted when Day started making
films for Warner Bros. in the late forties.


Allan Rogg

[PaulBearer]

Foris is younger than Doris IMO - "Doris" certainly seemed to reyouth in the 60s so that may explain the anomaly.

[sinbad]

Sister said:

According to your photo, gracemer, she still doesn't have a widow's peak !

Yes! Exactly SMA!

Great pic you posted gracemer.