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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 2, 2003 2:11:46 GMT
The mechanical clone of Doris Day that Lennon referred to in Dig It apparently made her film premiere in the sex comedy "Pillow Talk" with Rock Hudson -- who was compromised because of his homosexuality.
It's airing now on the Turner Clasic Movies network. Doris Day mark II just 'sang' something -- I am not impressed. The Doris Day who sang "Que Sera, Que Sera" in Hitchcock's 1954 "The Man Who Knew Too Much" had a beautiful singing voice. This one seems flat.
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 2, 2003 2:49:42 GMT
That really was, on balance, an insipid film. One really has to wonder what kind of projects Day was working on before they replaced her with such dreck.
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Post by Fwings on Dec 2, 2003 20:22:22 GMT
Is there a clear physical difference between Doris Day and "Fauris Day" as there is between Paul and Faul and Brian and Frian?
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Post by Darkhorse on Dec 3, 2003 0:48:18 GMT
Is there a clear physical difference between Doris Day and "Fauris Day" as there is between Paul and Faul and Brian and Frian? Even moreso!http://www.anycities.com/user/uberkinder/digit/likedorisday.html |
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 5, 2003 5:59:40 GMT
one of my all-time favorite movies
Oh, I don't deny it was clever in spots -- but it was inane. There was no there there. An empty entertainment, the exact sort the Illuminati push on the masses. (Not unlike Faul's "silly love songs.")
I poked around a little the other day, and it appears that Doris Day's last film was overtly political. Very interesting. The story of her replacement must no doubt be fascinating as well.
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Post by Chris on Dec 6, 2003 12:20:58 GMT
 ;D  Just like Bill & Paul. They resemble each other. However, they do NOT look identical. I thought maybe she just had her nose fixed. BUT, there is a slight difference between their teeth. I carefully looked at their eyes. Both women have a different look in their eyes. You can see that there are two different people looking out at you. It's the same thing with Paul & Bill. All the plastic surgery in the world cannot change the fact that two different people are looking back at you from their photos. They have TOTALLY different personalities !!!! Love to all... Chris ;D 
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Post by Curious on Dec 6, 2003 14:23:28 GMT
That's just bizarre! The hair is a totally different texture, and pre-1959, Doris Day didn't have any freckles at all. Post-59, she was covered in so many freckles that it would take years to develop them.
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Post by fixingahole on Dec 31, 2003 7:56:07 GMT
I don't buy Doris Day, can't even imagine it without laughing. Left column is younger, more makeup & airbrushing (no freckles), right column is older, less makeup & no airbrushing. It doesn't even look like she had a nosejob.
Jerry Lewis, maybe. But Doris Day?
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 31, 2003 8:39:17 GMT
The facial features are distinctly different.
You're only exposing the extent of your brainwashing.
"Brainwashed by the media,
You're brainwashed by the press."
- George Harrison
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Post by fixingahole on Dec 31, 2003 10:27:39 GMT
My post wasn't meant in ridicule, I actually laughed when I thought about people fussing about finding a Doris Day double. I was seconding Wings's question about the clear physical differences. Maybe TotalInformation sees them but I don't.
Then he says I am brainwashed because I question something or offer an alternate theory. Isn't that what this forum is for, exchange of ideas? Just because they aren't your ideas doesn't mean the person is brainwashed.
I'll say what I know, ask about what I don't know and give an opinion if I think it's of interest. And I will always be polite. If the only ideas allowed are those on the 'accepted list', then what's the point?
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Post by inetinfo on Jan 2, 2004 17:30:32 GMT
Is there proof of jerry lewis being replaced?
Had to ask as that would be interesting as well to hear about.
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Post by Perplexed on Jan 2, 2004 22:33:25 GMT
Well, Jerry Lewis, as I have heard, (correct me someone) has a debilitating condition that requires massive loads of steroid type drugs to endure the pain and symptoms. I can't remember if it is relate to cancer. or an arthritic/inflammation type ailment. I tend toward the latter, as steroids are routinely given for inflammatory illnesses. This is why he is so bloated. We all know people who have had to do extreme steroid therapy, I think. You can gain 50 pounds in a few weeks, very few. The face will round out and become almost comically puffy. Remember Martin Short in that movie where he got the bee sting while being a private eye in Mexico? And he gets into the escape plane and begins to inflate like a blow-up doll on helium? That was exaggerated, as far as it happening so fast and him blowing up so big (duh...) but in 30 days enough steroids can do something almost as disconcerting to you. It happened to my nephew, who has since passed away. From GQ slim and good looking to a 230 pound bloated sick looking young man. He had brain cancer.
Cortisone can do wonderful things in a medical tight, but the side effects are really rough.
There is no Ferry Lewis.
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Post by Perplexed on Jan 2, 2004 22:46:20 GMT
Also, again, no offense, cause I am one who believes PID, but I have trouble with DID. (Doris is Dead). My journalist/set designer friend (who has Emmy awards) has interviewed her more than once and been in her Carmel home. I finally asked him.
It did not go over well.
I won't go into detail, I just ask that it be looked into more carefully.
She is a private person; details of the late 50's include situations resolving a bad marraige and an illness.
Also, the voice QUALITY, although older and roughened from use, to my ears, IMO, agrees satisfactorily to me between several early recordings and a few late ones.
No doubt, she had some work done, as did Marilyn Monroe (three different noses) and many others.
There's just too many movie crew people around that would have worked with her across the gap in the fifteis.
Actors, musicians, and the like are the most CYNICAL, CATTY, PICKY, DETAIL OBSSESED people in the world.
Someone would have clocked a fake Doris in a heartbeat.
Anyway, my friend may be misled. But that would be very hard to do. He has interviewed Striesand, maintains contact with Carol Burnett, a host of celebs. He is a bitch. He is very picayune.
Plus, I just can't see it.
But, somehow, I can admit, I may be wrong.
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 3, 2004 0:16:17 GMT
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 3, 2004 6:19:15 GMT
Is the guy on the right supposed to be Jerry Lewis? He looks unrecognisable! If "they" replaced him it may be because he has been so good at collecting funds for his yearly telethon. But in a movie he was in a few years ago (was it The Kind Of Comedy?) where he basically played it straight, he was still recognisable as Jerry, although he had aged and perhaps put on some weight but that guy on the right? Who is he? Does he still do those telethons BTW? Wasn't there some controversy about him being pulled off them a few years ago?
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 3, 2004 6:34:05 GMT
Also, again, no offense, cause I am one who believes PID, but I have trouble with DID. (Doris is Dead). My journalist/set designer friend (who has Emmy awards) has interviewed her more than once and been in her Carmel home. I finally asked him. It did not go over well. I won't go into detail, I just ask that it be looked into more carefully. She is a private person; details of the late 50's include situations resolving a bad marraige and an illness. Also, the voice QUALITY, although older and roughened from use, to my ears, IMO, agrees satisfactorily to me between several early recordings and a few late ones. No doubt, she had some work done, as did Marilyn Monroe (three different noses) and many others. There's just too many movie crew people around that would have worked with her across the gap in the fifteis. Actors, musicians, and the like are the most CYNICAL, CATTY, PICKY, DETAIL OBSSESED people in the world. Someone would have clocked a fake Doris in a heartbeat. Anyway, my friend may be misled. But that would be very hard to do. He has interviewed Striesand, maintains contact with Carol Burnett, a host of celebs. He is a bitch. He is very picayune. Plus, I just can't see it. But, somehow, I can admit, I may be wrong. Of course, you could give very similar arguments about Paul/Faul. This is why so many find it hard to believe the truth. But John tells us - like Doris Day. It makes sense. And from '59 she looks like a different person - I think it's the bad illness that killed her. Furthmore, this change coincided with her beginning a completely new style of movie for her starting with Pillow Talk with "daring" sexual innuendo, probably pushing the envelope for its day. Suddenly the "innocent" Doris was gone. Furthermore, with a new movie style direction, would this perhaps mean working with a completely new people as well? If so, then the old work crew would no longer be around or close enough to see that something was wrong. Your journalist friend may be very touchy on the subject either because of something he knows which must remain a secret (remember the death penalty) or is someone who makes short shift of any kind of conspiracy "nutter", one of those journalists who believes the reality he has been fed and will mock anything that challenges that reality - in other words - brainwashed. |
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Post by gracemer on Jan 3, 2004 7:58:39 GMT
Pillow talk was a FABulous movie! Not a lot of substance, but so what? Doris's clothes were to die for. I watch it at least twice a year. No violence, filthy language, blasphemy, or nudity. It's simple and sweet and I like it a lot. Sexist humor is the worst thing I can say about it.
Has anyone done animated layover gifs of Doris? Without that I don't think I can tell the difference. The studios were (are) heavy into airbrushing out imperfections.
Last week I saw a recent picture of Jerry Lewis. His doctor has been weaning him off the steroids and he's looking human again.
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Post by Perplexed on Jan 3, 2004 8:47:50 GMT
OK, well, Total, I do understand your outlook. I see your point of view------I know that movies in the early sixties took on a different tone from the late 50's. I know that sitcoms would soon show double beds fo married couples, not just twin beds (spaced several feet apart)anymore.
I would rather see a double bed for a married couple; sleeping with your spouse, your beloved, is normal, blessed by God, and, as per the old testament, the marraige bed is not defiled. Showing twin beds for married people seemed to deny their very appropriate and special relationship. That is more harmful in my thinking, than showing the double bed, which reaffirms the love that parents or spouses have , or ought to have, for one another.
Anyway, "Pillow Talk" was one of those typical bedroom farces of th early 60's that was cranked out for our comedic entertainment.
And remember, early Doris sang a little number called, "Ten Cents A Dance," about a decent girl who, in depression times, has to dance with strangers all night in a seedy place for enough money to make ends meet. Ostensibly, they only dance, and she gets her dime. This is an old topic. This is from a early 50's flic I think, but I will check lest I am wrong.
Anyway, my friend and I talked until we had to go elsewhere.
I can tell you that Doris was married from 1953-1967 to one man, Marty Melcher. This was her second husband. Her first husband, whose name I will have to call back to get, fathered Terry. Terry was adopted by Marty and became Terry Melcher. My friend says that Doris and the first husband split in 1945. He beat her in the last part of their relationship.
Doris later had an illness; she did spend time in treatment. It was initially thought she had cancer; it proved not to be cancer. She had a nervous breakdown during this time and did require recooperative time in the 50's.
Later. her son, Larry, during the 70's I think (I may have to call him back) came to recognize that Doris's lawyer, Jules Rosenthal, who was supposed to be investing for her, was mismanaging her money. Terry convinced Doris to sue him. Terry researched and orchestrated the entire case. He helped his mother win $23,000,000 , which was at the time, the largest settlement amount in the history of personal law suits in California. I don't know if that record still stands.
During this time, she was offered the part of Alice in the moveie, "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore", the part of Mrs Robinson in "The Graduate", and the lead of a stage musical called "The Act" written by George Furth, whom I have met in 1987. I think he has passed. She turned all of these down, and we know that Ellen Burstyn did "alice" the movie, Anne Bancroft did the Graduate, and Liza Minelli eventually did "The Act" on Broadway, although it was offered in between to Shirley McClaine.
Some of Doris's freckling came about later in life; as the same happened to me. I had none till my late 20's or so, then one summer, boom, freckleman. Smooth shoulders turn to freckly ones quickly. This really happened.
I have known my friend since 1975. I can ask him anything. He is not hiding anything, or in on it and hiding it. His interviews go back to the 70's and early 80's when still associated with a newspaper. Now, he does movies; he does sets, props and furniture on major films. He won one of his Emmy's for work he did on "Scarlett."
If there is any subterfuge, he doesn't know a thing about it.
Anyway, I don't know what more to say. We are going to talk again.
My comments about Doris are not anything in confidence or secretive; I think these details are published or exposed in the media somewhere.
I understand your concerns Total; I have read a lot of Icke and Alex Jones and all many others. And they have a lot to tell us.
And I expect you will believe as you choose.
But, from what I can tell, Doris is still the first Doris, unreplaced, no impostering.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 3, 2004 19:10:11 GMT
"Pillow Talk" was one of those typical bedroom farces of th early 60's
Except that is was made in the 50s and became the baseline standard for such films.
Here's an idea -- get your friend to ask "Doris" about "It Happened to Jane."
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 3, 2004 21:42:47 GMT
But John tells us - like Doris Day. It makes sense. Excuse me, but how do you make the huge jump from John naming Doris Day in a song to "John is saying Doris Day has been replaced by an imposter?" Not every word of every lyric is a clue to be taken literally, is it? Aren't some lyrics just lyrics, and some made up on the spot? Especially for such an unstructured album as Let It Be is. |
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Post by Perplexed on Jan 4, 2004 4:50:44 GMT
ALso, I see where I wrote "Larry" for "Terry" on my post. Oops. I meant "Terry" as the son each time.
Jerry is Jerry. Been watching MDA telethons since my dad was diagnosed with adult onset in 1969. He died in '82. It is a grueling, debilitating thing to watch your dads muscles melt away. We watched Jerry for hope; we gave; we have been grateful for him for chairing this thing faithfully for so many years. If Jerry perfect? Am I? No. I am grateful to Jerry. He cares, and has been caring. I hope he is paid. Why not?
If a man commits good works; they follow after him. I am not talking about basic salvation. Christ said that a the judgement men shall be rewarded for their works, their actions. Salvation is something else. Redemption is something else. Rewards are something.
The person behind those sad, bloated eyes, is a man commited and driven to help MDA sufferers. And he is the same guy that use to partner with Dean Martin. And they fell out.
They wouldn't pick a sick bloated man to replace an icon, now would they?
His knowledge, his rich storehouse of memories and ways of dealing with people, his singing voice (such as it is) and his unique humor, prove the he is the same man that said "Laaaaa--dyyyy!!!!" so many years ago, trapped inside a sick body.
I am very glad to here he is improving and being weaned off all those steroids.
I hope he gets his old look back, at least as much as possible after all he has weathered..........
Besides, the French people are the ones who could really tell the difference...........................
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Post by fixingahole on Jan 4, 2004 5:13:14 GMT
Great post, Perplexed, I couldn't agree with you more. Jerry is a national treasure who has done so much to help sufferers of a terrible disease. It is hard to see him looking so bad and we hope he has a quick recovery.
And the French are right. His movies are funny!
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 4, 2004 10:59:20 GMT
fixingahole, have you not read our earlier thread discussions of the song Dig It?
Like a rolling stone
A like a rolling stone
Like the FBI and the CIA
And the BBC--BB King
And Doris Day
Matt Busby
Dig it, dig it, dig it
Dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it
[That was 'Can You Dig It' by Georgie Wood. And now we'd like to do 'Hark The Angels Come'.]
BB King, Doris Day, and Matt Busby all had "near" death expriences around 1958 which I believe were rather nearer than the public at large were led to believe. What John is saying is that like these other celebrities, Paul also died and was replaced. And he's asking can you dig what he's trying to get at!
Doris has cancer but then "miraculously" it turns out to be a mistake.
Matt Busby is in critical condition after the Munich plane crash which kills several Manchester United players known as the "Busby Babes", and he lies in an Oxygen tent for about four weeks - a minister is even sent in twice to read him his death rites - but then somehow he recovers. Of course, he never brings Manchester United to its former glory again - he never raises a new team that matches anything close to the babes - he appears to have lost his touch.
BB King is in some sort of fire accident while rehearsing on stage and gets seriously burnt I think going from memory. Yet he apparently survives.
No, we haven't done the gifs; there are probably not that many original photos about in regards to the latter two and it's six years further back than Paul but someone who knows how should get round to giffing Doris/Foris. Anyone please?
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 4, 2004 11:03:21 GMT
Perplexed, you said your friend has only done interviews since the 70s. That is a problem. He has only ever known Foris so had no real comparison to make. If he has ever interviewed Faul, he would have the same problem there as well.
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 4, 2004 12:14:33 GMT
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;D 
Just like Bill & Paul. They resemble each other. However, they do NOT look identical. I thought maybe she just had her nose fixed. BUT, there is a slight difference between their teeth. 
