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Post by Pele on Jan 6, 2004 17:05:27 GMT
Paul Bearer said:
"Matt Busby is in critical condition after the Munich plane crash which kills several Manchester United players known as the "Busby Babes", and he lies in an Oxygen tent for about four weeks - a minister is even sent in twice to read him his death rites - but then somehow he recovers. Of course, he never brings Manchester United to its former glory again - he never raises a new team that matches anything close to the babes - he appears to have lost his touch."
Lost his touch? Really? Manchester Utd went on to become the first English side to win the European Cup in 1968 under Busby, and with survivors of the crash. This is/was the ultimate trophy in European football. He was definitely not replaced. He didn't suffer facial injuries and was clearly recognisable as the same man before and after Munich. Please drop the Dig It thing. It's just making you all look stupid.
PS Why the hell would anyone want to replace Doris Day? Were they afraid housewives would start topping themselves? Give sanity a chance to prevail. Debate is healthy, but this isn't debate.
PPS I have just been asked to say that 60IF is a smokescreen. I have no idea if this is true or not, other than I trust the person I am speaking with. There will apparently be more later.
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Post by Pataphysical on Jan 6, 2004 22:41:40 GMT
I don't think John "meant" anything by those lyrics; he
was merely free-associating. One thing led to another:
he conjured up some well-known acronyms FBI CIA BBC
which leads him to BB King, then I guess he thinks of
the "opposite" of BB King, Doris Day ;D. Not being
British, I cannot guess why Matt Busby would come to
mind.
Remember, Dig It was just a long jam, and John
didn't write lyrics to it, so it just "spilled out" of his
sub-conscious (un-conscious?) while playing. Sort
of a verbal improvisation.
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Post by Pele on Jan 7, 2004 11:51:07 GMT
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Sigmund Freud
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 8, 2004 6:29:41 GMT
Lost his touch? Really? Manchester Utd went on to become the first English side to win the European Cup in 1968 under Busby, and with survivors of the crash. This is/was the ultimate trophy in European football. He was definitely not replaced. He didn't suffer facial injuries and was clearly recognisable as the same man before and after Munich. Please drop the Dig It thing. It's just making you all look stupid.
Three people have "near" death experiences round about the same time and John just randomly "happens" to put them in a song together? Sorry, not a coincidence, won't drop it.
So Matt Busby was "clearly recognisable"? The same way that Paul is still "clearly recognisable" to many people? We haven't done direct facial comparisons like we have with Paul/Faul unfortunately due to lack of material but when we do...Fatt Fusby may simply be a very good lookalike, even a relative so perhaps little surgery was needed in this case. He can be trained to study Matt's managing skills just as much Bill was trained to study Paul's music techniques but was the new team really of the same spirit as the old?
PS Why the hell would anyone want to replace Doris Day? Were they afraid housewives would start topping themselves? Give sanity a chance to prevail. Debate is healthy, but this isn't debate.
1958/59 was a time for experimentation to see if they could pull this sort of thing off and it worked! Maybe there are others we don't even know about!
PPS I have just been asked to say that 60IF is a smokescreen. I have no idea if this is true or not, other than I trust the person I am speaking with. There will apparently be more later.
Hmmm...more intrigue...another windup? Maybe your comments are the smokescreen.
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Post by Pele on Jan 8, 2004 10:38:43 GMT
I know British football history. I know the history of Manchester Utd, and I know that while footballers perhaps aren't the most intelligent people on the planet, I think they, along with the intense media interest in a club the size of ManU, would spot a replacement in seconds flat.
Please, take it from me, he was the real deal, and only died in the last decade, still holding an honorary role at the club until his death. Suggesting someone came in and studied his management techniques might sound plausible to you, but I gaurantee few others. Take a look at his pictures if you like, and subject them to any facial comparison you want.
Were all the ManU players and directors, Busby's Scottish family, his magerial colleagues in the game (eg Jock Stein) all in on it too on pain of death just as you propose Macca's family were? I don't buy this for a moment. Of course, you can believe what you want, but surely you recognise that this is speculation at its most idle. I saw the Doris Day pics, and to this viewer anyway, the eyes are a give away; it's the same person. Please provide evidence, then a genuine debate on the other personalities can begin.
"Hmmm...more intrigue...another windup? Maybe your comments are the smokescreen."
No, unless of course I'm being lied to. Generally, I avoid intrigue wherever possible. Someone suggested to me that you have overlooked the significance of the P2 in "P2 Vatican Blues". This leads me neatly on to the revelation that Pope John XXIII was replaced in the 60's. John was a pro-masonic revolutionary who oversaw the second Vatican council - even his choice of name was political. The evidence I have seen is incontrovertible in my mind, and confirms much of what has been suggested elsewhere on these boards about the way we are "governed".
There is still more to come. Meanwhile, why not do a bit of digging on P2?
Winking smiley.
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 9, 2004 2:38:43 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the Pope was replaced like that. And I'm firmly convinced that Pope John Paul I was murdered after only 33 days in office. Why? He turned out, to the cardinals' horror, that he was actually a real Christian who believed in a personal God who you could talk to as a friend and the gifts of the Holy Spirit - not a traditionalist or someone they could control but someone who genuinely walked with God so... I've had some more thoughts on the Matt Busby thing. It's possible that the Beatles were sold the idea of replacement by being told that these people were replaced - "We replaced Matt Busby and see what a good job we did" - but in fact they were being lied to, that they were only told he was replaced. Maybe some in that list of names were and some weren't. So for now  . But I disagree about Doris Day. I see two different people. |
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Post by eusebio on Jan 9, 2004 16:38:13 GMT
For some reason I'm unable to create a new thread, so I'm using this old post. Can anyone direct me to Oceanchild's last post? I think I saw the name on the board yesterday, but didn't get round to reading it.
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 10, 2004 0:16:17 GMT
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