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Post by Darkhorse on Aug 6, 2003 13:56:26 GMT
I looked at the pictures of Doris Day from Uberkinder's site and it looks obvious to me that the person in the 'after 1959' pictures is not the same peson as the one in the 'before 1959' pics. The one very obvious physical trait to me is the teeth. Notice in the third and fourth pics down the two front teeth in the left pictures are longer and extend further down than the other teeth. In the pictures on the right, the teeth are the same length. Very noticable. www.anycities.com/user/uberkinder/digit/likedorisday.html |
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Post by pennylane on Aug 6, 2003 14:56:15 GMT
also if you look at the eyes they got further apart as she got older...
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 9, 2003 21:43:52 GMT
maybe uberkinder would like to make those into animated gifs!
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 11, 2003 0:37:43 GMT
It's worth noting that Day's career seems to have changed direction a bit after she was replaced. The wholesome "Doris Day" suddenly started starring in the new mainstream genre of the "sex comedy." This is from the Leonard Maltin minibio at imdb:
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. . . Day's film career shifted gears with Pillow Talk (1959), the first of her fast-moving sex comedies with Rock Hudson. Handsomely produced and cleverly written, it offered audiences plenty of wit and a smidgen of suggestiveness; Day earned an Oscar nomination for her performance, and the film steered her career in a new direction with even greater success. In the 1960s she reigned as America's top box-office attraction, in a series of saucy comedies . . .
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Post by Forever 17 on Aug 25, 2003 20:40:53 GMT
Now you've hit me where I really live.
As a little girl I always considered Doris Day to be my "movie mom". She was my idol and role model - I had all her records and saw all her movies. I was even told many times that I resembled her looks.
But something changed for me about her after 1960. I couldn't put my finger on it, but something was different and I never bought her songs or saw many of her movies after that. I did, however, watch the TV show she had for a while.
Not only do her eyes grow further apart in these pictures as she ages, but they get smaller. Her mouth gets smaller while she's still too young for that.
What is supposed to have happened that they replaced her, and where has the real Doris been all this time? Does anyone know?
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Post by Forever 17 on Aug 25, 2003 20:45:55 GMT
P.S. Oddly enough, I also dropped out of being a Paul McCartney fan sometime in the mid 70s because, again, something had become different about him for a while that I couldn't quite put my finger on.
This is really a lesson in learning to trust my inner knowings!
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Post by SunKing on Aug 25, 2003 20:50:27 GMT
This is really a lesson in learning to trust OUR inner knowings!
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Post by Forever 17 on Aug 26, 2003 1:43:34 GMT
Why would this have been done to DORIS DAY? Where has she been all these years?
Are there any voice comparisons on her before and after 1959?
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 26, 2003 2:47:41 GMT
We haven't done any (yet). But notice her singing career slowly disappeared I think and she simply became a movie and TV star.
Around 1958 three celebrity icons were replaced as part of an experiment. They were BB King (fire accident?), Matt Busby (Munich air disaster), and Doris Day (an illness? she had an operation in 1956).
Have you seen the lyrics to "Dig It"?
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Post by Forever 17 on Aug 26, 2003 3:43:17 GMT
Not so far, and I'm not familiar with anything by that title.
An illness? Hadn't she been ill as a child, and then there was the accident which prevented her becoming a professional dancer, which had been her original aspiration.
That first picture on the right in the "after" column --- it doesn't even look like the imposter Doris I got used to, let alone the original real Doris.
Does anyone know what happened to her circa 1959 - is there any information?
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Post by Forever 17 on Aug 26, 2003 3:44:56 GMT
Were these experiments with or without the consent of the original performing artist?
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 26, 2003 17:44:52 GMT
the original artists were dead, so they couldnt give their consent
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 27, 2003 1:40:21 GMT
From the Let It Be album...
Dig It (Lennon/McCartney/Harrison/Starkey)
Like a rolling stone
A like a rolling stone
Like the FBI and the CIA
And the BBC--BB King
And Doris Day
Matt Busby
Dig it, dig it, dig it
Dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it
[That was 'Can You Dig It' by Georgie Wood. And now we'd like to do 'Hark The Angels Come'.]
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Post by Forever 17 on Aug 28, 2003 3:27:10 GMT
Well, bad news, everyone. I just listened to some "before" and "after" Doris Day music. How this ever slipped by me before, I just do not know. I must have been too young to believe such a thing could be perpetrated on us. The woman singing the theme from "Pillow Talk" is definitely NOT Doris Day. She is talking the words more than she is singing them, because she just couldn't make the grade and "lilt" her voice the way The Real Doris did. I don't need to hear any more than the original "Que Sera' Sera'" and then "Pillow Talk" to know this is two different women. But it would be something to put up the original "Que Sera'" song and compare it to the TV version. What happened to my DORIS DAY???!!!    |
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Post by zeleny on Aug 28, 2003 15:54:46 GMT
I was reading the Beatles press conferences from 1966, in one, someone references David Crosby standing next to Brian Epstein. Crosby then disappears behind the curtain.
In the Rolling Stone interview, John states that they stayed at Doris Day's house. It was actually her son, Terry Melcher's house.
David Crosby is the one who introduced Charlie Manson to Terry Melcher.
Charles Manson of course is responsible for the murders of Sharon Tate and her friends. They were killed in Terry Melcher's house, she was renting it during that time. I'm wondering if John, George, and Rongo weren't actually the targets of those murders.
It just keeps getting thicker and scarier all the time!
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Post by OceanChild on Aug 28, 2003 19:51:56 GMT
From the Let It Be album... Dig It (Lennon/McCartney/Harrison/Starkey)
Like a rolling stone
A like a rolling stone
Like the FBI and the CIA
And the BBC--BB King
And Doris Day
Matt Busby
Dig it, dig it, dig it
Dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it
[That was 'Can You Dig It' by Georgie Wood. And now we'd like to do 'Hark The Angels Come'.]I am completely freaked out by this! BB King 'narrowly escaped death' from fire in the mid-50s and Matt Busby *was* in the Munich plane crash where lots of his team died, but he was 'severely injured'... Crikey.  |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 20:11:47 GMT
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Post by OceanChild on Aug 28, 2003 20:18:14 GMT
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 31, 2003 22:17:27 GMT
Could you get us the exact date of this conference?
Good observations.
I think that would be a leap without some evidence the Beatles had ever planned to visit the house that night.
There are reasons Tate would have been a target -- her husband had perhaps revealed a bit too much in Rosemary's Baby . . .
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Post by zeleny on Aug 31, 2003 23:02:48 GMT
Could you get us the exact date of this conference? Good observations. I think that would be a leap without some evidence the Beatles had ever planned to visit the house that night. There are reasons Tate would have been a target -- her husband had perhaps revealed a bit too much in Rosemary's Baby . . . Here's the link to the press conference where David Crosby disapperas behind a curtain: www.geocities.com/~beatleboy1/dbla66.pc.htmlThe one is where John talks about doing acid at "Doris Day's", actually her son, Terry Melcher's house on Cielo Drive, I'm still looking for. I did read it from a link on a post on this forum, though. I could have sworn I had seen a Biography about Doris Day which gave a trove of information about her from her small beginnings as a teen singer to her death, but a check of the www.aetv.com/ website doesn't list a Biography about her at all.Does anyone know of other similar type of shows by that or other networks? It's making me crazy. Found it! store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=14370 It didn't come up on the search on the aetv site, but it did on the historychannel site. Go figure! and here's a link to imbd www.imdb.com/name/nm0000013/bio |
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Post by Forever 17 on Sept 1, 2003 19:15:26 GMT
Hi zeleny,
If you ever do come across that biography again, please let us know. I would like to read it for sure.
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Post by zeleny on Sept 1, 2003 19:31:07 GMT
It was a "Biography" show on A&E about Doris Day. The link to their website is above, and to their sales page where you can buy the episode. Perhaps it can be found at your local video store for rental as well. I think Terry Melcher would know if Doris had been replaced, he was born in 1942 or thereabouts. I must say that the Doris Day I am familiar with was in The Man Who Knew Too Much which was released in 1956. When was she supposed to have been replaced? I'm not disputing that the photos on Uberkinder's site clearly show two different people, but I'm a bit hazy on the years in question. P.S. On Biography tomorrow, Charles Manson. search.biography.com/print_record.pl?id=17302 |
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Post by Forever 17 on Sept 1, 2003 19:47:57 GMT
Hi zeleny,
I saw that biography episode this summer. But it showed interviews of the "living" Doris Day from just a few years ago, and makes no mention of her having passed on at any time. Didn't you say earlier that you saw or read about her life "and death"? That's what I'm wondering about.
I have notice through the years that Terry Melcher never gives interviews or makes public comments. I saw a biography about him, too, and I'm not sure he said much of anything. It was more of a documentary about his life, according to whomever was producing the feature.
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Post by zeleny on Sept 2, 2003 1:17:40 GMT
Well I must have been mistaken about the documentary talking about her death... I suppose if she were still alive or there were a double in her place it wouldn't say that she had died. Sorry about that. I really thought she was dead by now, I guess.
I do think it's mysterious and strange that she and her son don't speak to or about each other. And if someone could help me out with The Man Who Knew Too Much, I'd appreciate it. The film was released in 1956, before her supposed replacement, but she's the Doris Day that I know from movies like Pillow Talk (1957) or Move Over, Darling (1963). Maybe she was replaced in 1955?
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Post by Forever 17 on Sept 2, 2003 2:19:13 GMT
If it's true that the replacement goes back that far, then maybe the fake Doris Day is the only one I ever grew up knowing. I seem to recall reading somewhere on this board that Pillow Talk was the first movie with the substitute and it was in 1959. www.users.bigpond.com/richardbywaters/ has a list of all her movies and many pics. Going by the quotation of Oscar Levant, do you think they created her whole image as a goody-2-shoes? I have heard things like this before, but have never been sure. Yes, it certainly IS strange she and her son are never seen nor quoted together nor in reference to each other. |
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