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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 7, 2003 4:22:18 GMT
The clues in "Dig It" are obvious-- "Like a rolling stone" -- the people Lennon et al were first convinced were responsible for Paul's death. "Like the FBI and the CIA" - After a while it became apparent it was intelligence operatives that were responsible for the death. "Like the BBC" = could just be a filler/bridge to the next line, bbut it is also possible Lennon had reason to believe a BBC reporter(s) covering the Beatles was an intelligence operative Like BB King Like Doris Day Like Matt Busby Uberkinder's site is pretty conclusive that Doris Day was replaced by a doppelganger as well. Lennon must have been wondering who else had been replaced after what happened with Faul. He/they had a few years to look into this issue and it seems Lennon had come up with these three names. Let's use this thread to gather photographical and biographical evidence in order to determine if Busby was doppelganged. Now, I know jack about British soccer or "football." But apparently this Busby was the long-time coach of the Manchester United. In some cursory research, I've found that there was some kind of air crash disaster in Munich in 1958 in which 8 team members died and Busby was given the Last Rites twice. Is it possible he died then? His official age is now 93 or 94. Like Faul, he has been knighted. I'll start off with this image of a pre-Munich Busby from a 1957 book auctioned on eBay:  |
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 7, 2003 4:37:07 GMT
This was the famous manager of what was known as the "Busby Babes" of Manchester United - he just had a special touch - he taught them to be selfless, to think of the team rather than themselves -no player ego problems with him. They were killed in the 1958 Munich air crash; Matt Busby was supposed to be one of the few who survived and was on life-support in a incubator for weeks - but he was never the same man afterwards (literally I think) and never got the team back to the way it was before. I think the truth is he died on that plane crash, but being the icon he was, they decided to replace him.
Remember that the cover photo is probably doctored.
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 7, 2003 4:40:05 GMT
The eBay auction says it is a 1st edition from 1957.
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 7, 2003 4:45:03 GMT
Oh well, that's good. I had a link to the whole story on the old forum but it's been wiped. I might look for it again. It's on the official Manchester United site.
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Post by victor on Aug 7, 2003 20:05:39 GMT
assuming it really happened that way, it seems like B.B. doris and matt were all replaced in 1958! could that be?
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Post by Rojopa on Aug 7, 2003 22:18:15 GMT
It would only make sense that whoever was the brains behind replacing Paul that they would also tell the Beatles about those who they already replaced to amaze them and let them know how easy it is to fool the people.
And leave it to John to put it into his music. John must have been really pissed with people. That the wool was pulled over their eyes and they actually accepted Faul, with all his differences, as the Paul McCartney.
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 8, 2003 2:26:20 GMT
assuming it really happened that way, it seems like B.B. doris and matt were all replaced in 1958! could that be?
a) It's possible that the three Lennon happened to notice and mention in the song just happened to have been replaced that year.
b) It is possible that is the year the cryptocracy first felt bold enough to doppelgang visible celebrities and ran those operations as a test.
Also, doesn't Uberkinder's page have 1959 as the before/after year for Doris Day? I don't know if there was a reported incident comprable to the 58 accidents of King and Busby.
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 8, 2003 9:12:12 GMT
We know Doris had an operation in 1956. Maybe she just suddely died of natural causes and it was covered up but the difference with her is pretty blatant.
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Post by Uberkinder on Aug 8, 2003 16:52:25 GMT
Doris Day was supposed to have suffered a "severe mental exhaustion" in 1958 that forced her to dissapear from public view for a few months. I believe it was after this in "Pillow Talk" that the (alleged) imposter first apeared.
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 9, 2003 4:11:13 GMT
According to sites about Doris I've seen, the severe mental exhaustion occurred in 1968. But then again, like the altered date for the moped incident, who knows?
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Post by Matt on Aug 10, 2003 7:22:36 GMT
hi everyone. i'm new so i've missed alot, but i'm enjoying it.
what are the theories about why certain celebrities are "replaced"? why are paul and doris day replaced, and not, say, james dean or janis joplin?
could it point to a somewhat sinister underlying motive to manipulate cultural evolution? think of how instrumental the beatles were in initiating the cultural paradigm shift of the 60s, paving the way for the mass assimilation of new-age (old-age) spiritual belief in the west. suppose this was part of some powerful and secretive organization's occult agenda? then continuing the existence of paul would be of paramount importance. maybe it was even preferable to introduce a brand new and maleable paul, if the old paul was not so reliable?
i know it's a rediculous and paranoid idea (it's late i should be in bed) but why else would they go through this unbelievable effort with plastic surgery and musical training and coercing absolutely everyone remotely involved--- i can't believe it's just a matter of money,record companies aren't THAT powerful---
so why are certain celebreties "replaced"? what was so important about doris day, that she couldn't be aloud to die when she did? or was she actively "replaced"?
sorry if i'm retreading territory you've already covered--if so please direct me to sources where i can catch up.
sorry to rant a bit. i'm still not convinced but i like throwing some ideas in.
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 10, 2003 18:31:32 GMT
matt -- your ideas on why Paul was replaced pretty much jibe with Uberkinder's and myself.
I really don't know why Day, King, and Busby would be replaced however . . . maybe as a test run? If you have any ideas, please post them.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 10, 2003 22:05:26 GMT
matt -- your ideas on why Paul was replaced pretty much jibe with Uberkinder's and myself. I really don't know why Day, King, and Busby would be replaced however . . . maybe as a test run? If you have any ideas, please post them. Yes, it was a test run. Military technology needs cavys... |
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Post by Uberkinder on Aug 11, 2003 11:40:28 GMT
Here's the link with some of our theories about why and how. 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=document&action=display&thread=1059772642The thing to remember is all of these people were at the forefront of their given field. If Paul McCartney starts taking acid and goes off writing "freak-out" music, all the the hipster musicians who imitate him will have to follow suit, and then all the kids who follow them will follwow, all the way off the cliff! The same goes for Doris suddenly switching to suggestive material. Remember this was 1958; "Pillow Talk" was quite scandalous at the time! Before this she was the quintessential "good girl". The controlled introduction of black blues culture to white kids which inspired the British Invasion could be the reason for B.B.'s (alleged) replacement. |
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 11, 2003 13:49:06 GMT
UK - do you think the original BB King would not have played to white audiences? Why would he have needed to be replaced for that reason?
I noted the same thing you did about Pillow Talk on the Doris Day thread on the other conspiracies board. . .
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Post by Matt on Aug 11, 2003 18:43:28 GMT
why would b.b. king be so important to replace? there were plenty of black blues artists being introduced to white audiences at the time. mind you, king had a much slicker image than the most of them. he was much more "debonair" and polished than muddy waters or john lee hooker . he would probably have appealed to a broader white audience than the rest.
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Post by Uberkinder on Aug 12, 2003 3:17:28 GMT
Well, aside from the British Invasion, you have to remember that before the late '60s, aisde from musicians, nobody in white America really had any idea who B.B. King was; and he was one of the first blues musicians to break into the mainstream. I personally always thought his guitar playing sounded a little freeze-dried. I'll have to try and find some real old stuff and compare it.
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 12, 2003 3:52:08 GMT
UK - Did you mean "late 50s" in your last post?
One of the graphics I posted on the BB King thread is from a best of BB thru 57 album available on Amazon. You could get that one or just check the track listings against files available on the peer-to-peer. . .
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