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Post by Darkhorse on Nov 19, 2003 22:00:33 GMT
NB: First posts missing? - PB
What's even weirder is that I think he may not actually be molesting them but doing things like sleeping in the same bed, showering together, etc. which can almost seem weirder although safer than molestation.
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Post by SunKing on Nov 19, 2003 22:31:24 GMT
Actually Michael decided to talk about him and...Faul ;D Another victim on Faul's bloody path?  |
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Post by SunKing on Nov 19, 2003 22:43:43 GMT
Now noone is untouchable. Are you sure? And what about Charles, Prince of Wales, then? Do you know the latest news about him?  Disappeared in a while..... |
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Post by Darkhorse on Nov 19, 2003 22:55:14 GMT
Some people are untouchable. That's just the way it is.  |
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Post by PaulBearer on Nov 20, 2003 1:04:18 GMT
I've always thought those sexual allegations against Michael were false when they first started a few years ago and I still do. Just remember...INNOCENT until proved guilty.
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Post by PaulBearer on Nov 20, 2003 1:05:35 GMT
Actually Michael decided to talk about him and...Faul ;D Another victim on Faul's bloody path? So this is why MJ is deliberately being targetted?  |
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Post by TotalInformation on Nov 20, 2003 2:15:00 GMT
Actually Michael decided to talk about him and...Faul
I don't see evidence Jacko has been talking about Faul.
BUT as this case progresses, he may threaten to -- and if he does, he will indeed be . . .
Another victim on Faul's bloody path
If he's still around at the end of year, he's a definite candidate for a death pool.
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Post by raymi46 on Nov 20, 2003 2:19:02 GMT
I don't know, PB. Did you see those interviews a few months back. i think he is mentally ill, has been for a long time and no=one stepped up to help him for whatever reason. And I think the kid they are talking about was on that documentary, he did have cancer. Really bizarre situation. All that money, but what does he really have? he was asked a few times directly about plasitic surgery, he swears he only had one nose job. I find it all pathetic.
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Post by beldabeast on Nov 20, 2003 2:24:54 GMT
I don't know, PB. Did you see those interviews a few months back. i think he is mentally ill, has been for a long time and no=one stepped up to help him for whatever reason. And I think the kid they are talking about was on that documentary, he did have cancer. Really bizarre situation. All that money, but what does he really have? he was asked a few times directly about plasitic surgery, he swears he only had one nose job. I find it all pathetic. Could be a simple case of himbeing used to divert news time away from Bush's UK visit. |
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Post by Darkhorse on Nov 20, 2003 2:37:36 GMT
This whole thing is an attempt to extort money from Michael like it was the first time.
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Post by mike on Nov 20, 2003 2:48:47 GMT
I saw this one documentary on A&E, I think. Remember on Fox when he tried to clear his name? On the show I was watching, they had a detective prove a lot of Jackson's lies wrong, such as "he only had plastic surgery 3 times" A plastic surgeon said that was a lie, and many other lies were proven false.
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Post by Darkhorse on Nov 20, 2003 3:02:39 GMT
He HAS a problem YES. But does a liar make a molester? Does someone with a sickness so bad that he has to get repeated plastic surgeries also make him a molester?
It is SO easy to do this to Michael because he is such an easy target.
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Post by Nortatem on Nov 20, 2003 3:40:43 GMT
Let us break this down. Michael Jackson is sick. He is an adult and responsible for his own actions. He is a target not cause of his money but because of how he acts. Now in his defence ( and only to prove he needs help) he was abused, he had no child hood, he was rich b4 he went solo and was rich as a kid and still was in an abusive household and was seperated from the real world. He was probably showing signs of homo erotic tendencies as a boy ( though this is conjecture) and was looked after by his mom and sisteres most the time. He wants to be a child thogh he is pushing 50. Michael Jackson was showing signs of this as far back as 20 years ago. As little as 15 years ago rumours were around him all the time of weird practices. And lets not forget since 15 years ago he has children sleep in his bed unsupervizesd and no one seemed to care. Michael Jackson even if he is telling the truth,( and ithink he is incapable of doing so) still need s to be locked up in a mental institution for his own safety, the safty of his children, and the safety of children alowed to visit him at neverland ranch. Michael is innocent till proven guilty, but if he was a poor man like you or me We would have been convicted years ago with what he seems to get away with.
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 20, 2003 3:54:24 GMT
I've always thought those sexual allegations against Michael were false when they first started a few years ago and I still do. Just remember...INNOCENT until proved guilty. I wouldn't bet the ranch on him or anything. They were just talking about the allegations from 10yrs ago that he paid something like 10-15 million to get out of. There are some pretty graffic hardcore things described in there. All of the correspondents on this Foxnews show said they have read the documents & were thoroughly disgusted. They also said it wasn't very difficult to get these documents on the internet. |
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Post by SunKing on Nov 20, 2003 12:52:53 GMT
Please remember friends that MJ started his plastic surgery soon after he met Faul.
Probably he met Faul without the "famous" underskin filler injections and, after, with the "correct" make-up to be the "James Paul McCartney" replacement.
It was REALLY a shocking experience.
MJ thought: "Well, so I can become a white man too!"
So he did.
Getting crazier all the time.....
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 21, 2003 3:56:16 GMT
Holy crap! Check out this mugshot! This has got to be the ugliest, weirdest white woman I've EVER seen!!!!  |
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Post by Eggman on Nov 21, 2003 15:29:22 GMT
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Post by Eggman on Nov 21, 2003 19:04:36 GMT
Hmmmmm........ Thats true!!!!
Agree with you;)
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Post by Imgonnaopenmymind on Nov 21, 2003 22:56:55 GMT
I don't see Faul's involvement.
All I see is a child molesting superstar who got out of hot water easily when he was more famous and now is not gonna get off easy.
Uno: Jacko admits to sleeping with little boys.
Dos: He's on the run from the law in Las Vegas, attempting to hide from the latest charges.
Treis: He attempts to make a break for it from Las Vegas, heading first to Japan, then his old house in France.
Quatro: Finally convinced by his lawyer to surrender, Jacko hops on a plane, with full criminal intent ahead. He arrives in LA and is picked up.
Cinco: He arrives at the jail and is booked, then walks out scot-free after mugshots without a single bond posted or bail paid. He headed back home to Neverland. He is currently claiming the bail money was paid, which appears not to be true.
In other words, one f**ked-up black man-turned-white woman is about to get his ass busted to jail.
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Post by Nortatem on Nov 22, 2003 3:15:20 GMT
I think Michael would kill himself rather than sit one moment in a real jail let alone prison,. In no way would he ever serve time in population anyhow. Even the most maximim security prisons have Protective custity or as I like to call it " PUNK CITY" I do not think he could handle p.c. at all eiother. If he fies the coop again it does not surprize me . He deserves to get his come uppence but he wont ever get it even if he is convicted. I foresee him killing himself or flying the coop once again.
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Post by Perplexed on Nov 22, 2003 6:10:15 GMT
Well, Who knows what MJ does. I suspect he just lays there in the bed 'cause he seems to be passive--not full of testosterone. I would rather think he never touched anyone underage in those ways. Still, seperate beds IN seperate bedrooms seems like the correct way to go. He should sleep alone even if he likes having juvenile company. I think prefering juvenile company is really a sign of something wrong.
Socially, healthy people tend to flock by their own age group.
Maybe at the arraignment, he and his video dancers could perform:
Beat it, beat it!
No one wants to be defeated.
Show 'em how funky, 'n strong is your fight,
It doesn't matter, who's wrong and who's right, just
Beat it, just beat it.
Beat it, just beat it.
Billy Jean is not my lover.
She's just a girl who thinks that I am the one. (Haah.)
But the kid is not my son. (Whoo)
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Post by PaulBearer on Nov 22, 2003 11:57:29 GMT
He doesn't write his own music - Quincy Jones writes it for him and MJ takes the credit! So where have we heard that kind of thing before? But as regards to the child molestation thing, I still think it's a storm in a teacup, that there's nothing to it, that they're going on a witchhunt, but let's see how this pans out, or is that peters out? ;D |
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Post by Perplexed on Nov 22, 2003 20:24:17 GMT
The shower thing is real inappropriate. Eem your dad or uncle or mom or aunt shouldn't take you in for these reasons(if you are past 4 or 5 years old). They can assist a small toddler or baby to wash , but never mutually naked. Kids don't need to see older persons in the altogether. The older guardian should be covered, and should only be taking the role of teaching hygiene in a parental, no erotic stuff anyway. Touches for your own jollies are gross; the child will perceive the offense. This is delicate grounds, because I think certain kinds of parental touching and affection is very much needed up to certain ages, in certain appropo ways , or the child will feel unloved. Fondling, in that sexy way, is grotesque. And will harm the child, and the person fondling. It is wrong.
But why don't these "dozens" of victims go running from the house screaming." Gross, Oh, stop, yuk, help me, get away from me!!!" I was in this position exactly one time when I was corrnered in a neighbor's basement when I was 7 or 8 years old. I got passed the crazy guy and ran quickly up the stairs and out, screaming, "Leave me alone...go away! Help, mama! So, I don't nuy it that they are all too scared and just go along with it until they get home and suddenly want $1,000,000.
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Post by Nortatem on Nov 24, 2003 5:57:52 GMT
You were lucky PERPLEXED. Noit every one who was raped or molested had thast oprotunity. It sounds almost if you are sying it is the victems fault. Not all molestation cases aree the same , maybe there was forcing , or maybe there was seductiuon and sometimes kids do not know what is going on. Not every child is as gifted as you as to run or walk. But all or most children who are attemted or been molested will tell their folks or the authorities if they are not dead. I was molested and I told the same day. I had no option to run away or hide it was in a confined space with locked doors. And it was a confusing event. As you were not molested and escaped you are lucky. However I think you are a flamer of me and others that are or were molested who are on this site as you seem to think you are better than us. Michael Jackson is a bad man and needs help as well as hard time. Anyone who thinks this is a conspiaracy or just for money well let me tell you something. The boy involved is dying and his folks got all of Michaes bribery money b4 hand. They are not after money, they want him to stop hurting others, and se him get justice. Perplexed you should not open your mouth about something that did not( or almost) happen to you as you were not there for any of the others that went thru it. Blaming the victems is an outrage. What if it was your sonme or doaughter or nephew or neice or friends family, or even some one you are in love with who was a victem of rape and or pre-pubecsent seduction by a sex maniac. How wouldyou respond then. Not buying in to molestation only makes for more victems. Michael may or may not be guilty but he sure is inapropriate.And he should not have childrene visit him, ewven supervised and he should lose custody of his kids. Even if he is normal to them, they are still in a nhorrible invironment.
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Post by Perplexed on Nov 24, 2003 6:46:12 GMT
Wow, OK, I apologize to everyone that was hurt by my comments, you included.
Yes, I was fortunate, because I knew the location of the stairs well enough and I darted quickly enough to get away. The guy was late teens; I told my mom, I had seen him in the neighborhodd before, I think my parents made calls and found a mother, and told her. I never ran into him again, we never discussed it again.
I was terrified---instantly. And I was fortunate to have leave of the situation.
I am deeply sorry not to recognize, and take in to account in my post, the pain of those who fell victims. Vulnerable children are not to blame because of the deceit and force that these types might apply to get their way. Children lack the strength to fight back; they are vulnerable, and I was wrong not to think on this.
So, I admit that I don't know the anguish you faced. Violations of trust and spirit accompany this, not to mention wahtever physical crimes you suffered.
But believe me, I am a wordy son-of-a-bitch, that is my flaw!!
But I do KNOW that I am not better than any of you.
I make a mental note to be thoughtful about people. I really meant no comparison to any one, though; I guess I just thought that out of so many that they think Jackson offended, why didn't at least one make a fuss the moment of the insult. But, I see I was naive. My assaillant dropped his pants and was reaching for my head with his hand. I ducked out and spun around, and ran like bloody fire. With his pants down, he couldn't run!!!! I think he tripped, but since I wouldn't look back I can't be sure. So, fortunately for me, he shot himself in the foot (figuratively) and I didn't waste a beat.
But others aren't so lucky, I see this now.
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