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Post by Perplexed on Nov 24, 2003 6:52:36 GMT
Nortatem: backwards for, Metatron?
That is a Greek word, right? Out of the Greek New Testament. It is a certain very powerful angel, as I recall.
"Dogma", the movie. Loved it. Love the character actor that played him. (What is his name?)HE did Diehard, RpoginHood (Costner) and the Galaxy Quest? Alan...Rickman?
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Post by Mollymalone on Nov 24, 2003 9:40:07 GMT
Anyone who has studied abnormal psychology will know that MJ exhibits classic pedophile characteristics. If pedophiles simply assaulted any child within reach and were obvious about it, then the jails would be full. What a certain type of Pedophile does is groom children - like a stalker, he will take time to select a victim that fulfils his STRICT criteria - ie. has to be the right age, the right build etc (notice MJ does not develop these attachments to 14 year old girls?) He then sets about grooming them, seducing them, pushing the boundaries slowly. Notice he prefers boys from dysfunctional families or children that are ill? These children are more easily manipulated - emotionally and psychologically. This boy was gravely ill - if MJ was merely being kind, he would have paid for his treatment, met him once or twice and leave it at that. But no, he had to take him into his bed. What would happen to the boy's treatment if the boy upset him or refused his advances? Think about that. So if we look at why more victims don't scream and run and tell: Pedophiles use manipulative tactics - 'It's our secret. If you tell, people won't understand our special relationship - they will take you away from your parents, you will be put in care. I will make sure your mother is arrested for.....; you'll never see your brothers and sisters again; I'll hurt your family...I'll come after you... How can a young child possibly cope with such threats and emotional blackmail? Remember Jackson is a powerful man even in the eyes of adults, let alone children. He held the child's health in his hands - paying or not paying for his treatment. He likes to portray himself as children's saviour, but that's just a cover, an excuse to have children around him all the time without arousing suspicion. If this were my fat balding next-door neighbour, he would have been behind bars years ago. Why should him being a 'celebrity' make any difference? And protect him from the law and CONDEMN more victims to suffer at his hands? The world has gone MAD  |
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Post by Nortatem on Nov 25, 2003 7:37:27 GMT
Alan Rickman is the actor. He is one of my favorite actors as well. He is also Prof. Snape in the Harry Potter series. Dogma is on my short list of fave flix. Yes it is Backwards for Metatron. Him and Lucifer are probably the two most misunderstood characters in the bible. Lucifer also from the greek Old Testament, taken form the story of Persepine and the promagranite in Mythology. He was a light house keeper betrothed to persepine who meets Pluto(the devil) in hell, and eats 6 seeds of the plant he forbade her to eat.6 were left and thus it was judged for her crime to stay in hell forever. However he made a pact with Lucifer that they share here durring the seasons each for 1 equinox and a solstice. But that is Lucifer. Metratron was the other original Right hand angel that was passed over buy Gabrial, basically doing the same job. But that is another tale for another day.
Thank you very much Perplexed sorry for my rant in the other post.
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Post by PaulBearer on Dec 13, 2003 3:02:55 GMT
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Post by Nortatem on Dec 14, 2003 5:42:29 GMT
The Sheer Size of Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch Nessessitates that much police to effectively seek out evidence and clues. Knowing what I know of MJ he not only has a large castle but I am sure he has secret rooms. MJ is a freak, he has admitted it in no uncertine terms. Even if he did not molest thm kids this is not a which hunt. I think what he admited too is quite sicker. As for the parents I tjhink they should not get a dime and the parents should lose them kids to Foster care for there part in this crime, letting them stay at the ranch.
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Post by mike on Dec 14, 2003 19:44:12 GMT
The guy obviously has mental problems. I'm not sure if he molested those kids or not, hopefully not. But I think because he lost his childhood, he is still stuck in that mindset, not the mindset of a 45 year old man.
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Post by Rojopa on Dec 14, 2003 23:21:08 GMT
It is shame. The part that is the sadest: He went from a nice looking young black kid to an ugly white woman. ;D ;D
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Post by abbey on Oct 26, 2004 20:25:51 GMT
He started to lose it, once he met Faul. He was still a young good looking BLACK boy up to that point.   |
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 14, 2005 9:42:28 GMT
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Post by abbey on Jan 14, 2005 14:30:52 GMT
BIG surprise   |
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Post by Mollymalone on Feb 27, 2005 3:52:12 GMT
The constant mantra of 'I didn't have a childhood' is crap..on Fox he said 'I didn't get to go to Disney land'...well so what? Neither did I. The people that argue that he's really just a child, that he never grew up are living in some sort of parallel universe...there's no such psychological condition....it's simply his excuse to have children around him....wake up!!! And if he is a child HOW can he POSSIBLY be parent to three children? A child in charge of children! You cannot have it BOTH ways - either he is a child or a responsible adult...which? As for a witch hunt - he condemned himself - out of his own mouth - having boys sleeping in your bed is the MOST LOVING thing you can do - his OWN words....And if you listen to what the boy in the Bashir film says - 'Michael said 'if you love me' you will sleep in my bed" ....You don't need to know about psychology to recognise classic peodophile coercing..IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL..... Mad , bad and dangerous.  |
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Post by PaulBearer on Feb 27, 2005 7:53:44 GMT
Mad, bad, and dangerous...IF the boy's testimony is true that is and its not a money scam...not to mention a deliberate conspiracy to pressure him to sell the rights to The Beatles songs...
I'm personally simply not convinved of his guilt...the first time he was charged back in about 1993 or so something sounded false about it; it didn't ring true and I don't think this one is any better. According to MJ in a speech he made recently, there was a completely fradulent document about him floating around on the net which needed to be discounted.
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Post by Mollymalone on Feb 27, 2005 9:03:14 GMT
I appreciate your view Paul, and normally I wouldn't pre-judge, but I have studied criminology and having saw him and heard his attitude towards children, I can only conclude this man is a danger to children.
As for a money scam - I don't really care. After the 1993 episode he should have made sure he never ever found himself in that position again - and what does he do? He not only carries on doing it, but announces to the world that he does it.
So he's either a fool or he can't help himself because its a sickness, an obsession. He's not naive - he's apparently a shrewd business man, so he knew the risk of being a 45 year old man sharing a bed with pre-pubescent boys - boys not girls. You'd be happy doing that would you?
Look at this list of characteristics and see how many he fits, and fits well.
Characteristics of a Pedophile :
Often the pedophile is male and over 30 years of age.
Single or with few friends in his age group.
If married, the relationship is more "companion" based with no sexual relations.
He is often vague about time gaps in employment which may indicate a loss in employment for questionable reasons or possible past incarceration.
Pedophiles Like Child-like Activities:
He is often fascinated with children and child activities appearing to prefer those activities to adult oriented activities.
He will often refer to children in pure or angelic terms using descriptives like innocent, heavenly, divine, pure, and other words that describe children but seem inappropriate and exaggerated.
He has hobbies that are child-like such as collecting popular expensive toys, keeping reptiles or exotic pets, or building plane and car models.
Pedophiles Often Prefer Children Close to Puberty:
Pedophiles often have a specific age of child they target. Some prefer younger children, some older.
Often his environment or a special room will be decorated in child-like decor and will appeal to the age and sex of the child he is trying to entice.
Many pedophiles often prefer children close to puberty who are sexually inexperienced, but curious about sex.
Pedophiles Work Around Children: The pedophile will often be employed in a position that involves daily contact with children. If not employed, he will put himself in a position to do volunteer work with children, often in a supervisory capacity such as sports coaching, contact sport instruction, unsupervised tutoring or a position where he has the opportunity to spend unsupervised time with a child.
The Target Child: The pedophile often seeks out shy, handicapped, and withdrawn children, or those who come from troubled homes or under privileged homes. He then showers them with attention, gifts, taunting them with trips to desirable places like amusement parks, zoo's, concerts, the beach and other such places.
Manipulation of the Innocent: Pedophiles work to master their manipulative skills and often unleash them on troubled children by first becoming their friend, building the the child's self esteem. They may refer to the child as special or mature, appealing to their need to be heard and understood then entice them with adult type activities that are often sexual in content such as x-rated movies or pictures. They offer them alcohol or drugs to hamper their ability to resist activities or recall events that occurred.
Stockholm Syndrome : It is not unusual for the child to develop feelings for the predator and desire their approval and continued acceptance. They will compromise their innate ability to decipher good and bad behavior, ultimately justifying the criminal's bad behavior out of sympathy and concern for the adults welfare. This is often compared to Stockholm Syndrome - when victims become attached emotionally to their captors.
The Single Parent: Many times pedophiles will develop a close relationship with a single parent in order to get close to their children. Once inside the home, they have many opportunities to manipulate the children -- using guilt, fear, and love to confuse the child. If the child's parent works, it offers the pedophile the private time needed to abuse the child.
Fighting Back: Pedophiles work hard at stalking their targets and will patiently work to develop relationships with them. It is not uncommon for them to be developing a long list of potential victims at any one time. Many of them believe that what they are doing is not wrong and that having sex with a child is actually "healthy" for the child.
Almost all pedophiles have a collection of pronography, which they protect at all costs. Many of them also collect "souvenirs" from their victims. They rarely discard either their porn or collections for any reason.
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Post by TotalInformation on Feb 27, 2005 20:52:38 GMT
Stella McCartney Doubts Michael Jacksons SanityFebruary 12, 2005, 9:10:42 McCARTNEY QUESTIONS JACKSON'S SANITY Troubled superstar MICHAEL JACKSON's grasp of reality has been questioned by STELLA McCARTNEY - who recalls his bizarre behaviour during visits to her family home. billy McCARTNEY's fashion designer daughter believes the DANGEROUS singer was eccentric even in comparison to other musicians way back in the early '80s when he would visit her BEATLE dad at their house in East Sussex, England. Of her father's famous guests, McCartney says, "They'd smoke weed. But don't print that. Oh, I couldn't possibly say (who). "It just seemed normal when people like STEVIE WONDER and NEIL YOUNG came round. They were normal. "And some of them weren't normal. Michael Jackson came, but before the masks and all the surgery." =================================== www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/25342004.htm
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Post by gracemer on Feb 28, 2005 7:20:36 GMT
Mollymalone gets my vote. Michael's No. 1 priority is his own gratification. That being the case, he's evil. He needs to be stopped.
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Post by abbey on Feb 28, 2005 18:00:40 GMT
Agreed  |
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Post by abbey on Mar 11, 2005 15:35:36 GMT
More photos of Bill & Michael:   |
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Post by gracemer on Mar 11, 2005 18:35:53 GMT
What a delightful pair. I wonder what-all they have in common besides music and plastic surgery?
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Post by abbey on Mar 14, 2005 16:39:13 GMT
Touching each others peepees ;D  And they're both LONG & LANKY !!! |
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Post by PaulBearer on Mar 16, 2005 1:07:22 GMT
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Post by PaulBearer on Mar 17, 2005 0:20:05 GMT
If any of you have been following the MJ trial at all you will know that there is now some doubts about the crediblity of the prosecution's "star" witness. Remember...it is supposed to be INNOCENT until proved guilty...I think perhaps some of you here forgot that.  |
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Post by Mollymalone on Mar 22, 2005 1:41:02 GMT
I have been following it Paul...the so called 'star' witness was 13 at the time of the allegations - a child. He is now only 15.
And a top lawyer, a grown man managed to get this child to admit he'd lied before...WOW! I don't know many adults that have never lied, let alone children..do you? Wasn't it Michael himself who lied about his plastic surgery on the Bashir film? Does that mean his protestations of innocence should be discounted because he lied once?
My worries about him come purely from his OWN admission that he sleeps in the bed with young boys, and that it is the most loving thing in the world. Again BOYS not girls.
Again, he's either the child his fans and he say he is or a grown man. Which is it? Is he the innocent Peter Pan, who has piles of porn everywhere? Is he a child that never grew up but is able to 'raise' three other children? Or is he a grown man? You cannot have it both ways.
Imagine you have son who is dying of cancer. Jackson agrees to help with his medical care. That should be it - he pays....but there is absolutely NO REASON on earth that that 'help' should include sleeping in Jackson's bed.
What happens if you then anger Michael or refuse him something? Does he WITHDRAW that financial help? Does he effectively have the power of life or death over your son?
Pedophiles OFTEN use threats - implied and explicit against chldren, in order to manipulate them. They also pick VUNERABLE children and families. Looks like Jackson hit jackpot with this family - cancer, divorce and litigous mother -NO ONE would ever believe them..Perfect!
Whether he gets off or not Paul..Innocent or not...there is NO justification for a grown man sleeping in the same bed as young boys. That in itself is abuse...
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Post by abbey on Mar 22, 2005 17:15:15 GMT
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Post by gracemer on Mar 22, 2005 19:12:04 GMT
Nice pics. Thanks.
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Post by Floydfan1028 on Mar 24, 2005 23:00:16 GMT
I don't know, PB. Did you see those interviews a few months back. i think he is mentally ill, has been for a long time and no=one stepped up to help him for whatever reason. And I think the kid they are talking about was on that documentary, he did have cancer. Really bizarre situation. All that money, but what does he really have? he was asked a few times directly about plasitic surgery, he swears he only had one nose job. I find it all pathetic. Exactly! Anyone who thinks he isnt weird enough to be doing this is insane. Sorry but you gotta be. My mother who has been a jackson fan since she was a small girl has come to terms that he is mental and has a problem. It has nothing to do with taking heat from bush or michael knows about faul. I mean come on not everything is a conspiracy. watch the interview. He says he doesnt see anything wrong with having kids in his bed. Do you let your kids if you have them invite children over and they sleep in your bed? I dont think so. He clearly is nuts. Think about it he could have had any woman on earth all his life but he never did hmmm coincedence i think not. He has a sick problem and should go to prison where everyone else that is a child molester goes i dont care what hits he wrote. |
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WHAT was Joko thinking 
