The Manson murders

[beldabeast]

got a few new facts aboutthis case . more later !

[beldabeast]

Might be time to rethink my currenttake on the manson killings .
Anyone know anything about the Satanic Process Church of something like that ?
Need help !

When Sharon Tate was murdered by the Manson Family, she was found hanging by one foot with her throat slit, which is the image of the Hanged man tarot, also according to John Todd, a sign that Tate had betrayed the occult order she was in.

[philovance]

Some facts about the Sharon Tate murders that have not been widely publicized.

Sharon's father was high level military intelligence. At the time Bobby Kennedy announced that he was going to run for the presidency, the CIA's favorite director and Zionist operative, John Frankenheimer, (The Manchurian Candidate, Seconds, Seven Days in May, The Gypsy Moths, French Connection 2, Black Sunday, the Holocroft Covenant, Year of the Gun, Ronin etc.) called Bobby and asked to follow him and film him throughout his election campaign. Frankenheimer went everywhere and filmed everything Bobby did during the campaign. The night prior to the California primary, Bobby Kennedy, Frankenheimer, Sharon Tate and others stayed at the Tate residence, and had dinner and a party there. The following evening, Bobby was driven to the Ambassador hotel along with Tate and Frankenheimer who had kept tabs of Bobby's every movement during the campaign.

It appears that the Sharon Tate murders were more than an effort to start a race war. Manson was a CIA and Mafia asset, doing hits and black bag jobs for the Boys while running his family using MK-Ultra mind control techniques to manage his "family". On an early nineties Hard Copy TV program, Manson admitted he killed La Bianco, who was a bookie, because he was holding out money to his superior, Frankie Carbo, the mob boss who was in Federal prison in Illinois at the time and who controlled organized boxing up to Sonny Liston's time. The interviewer sat there with glazed look while Manson went on how dumb and uninformed the average American is. He denied any connection to the Sharon Tate murder.

There is a strong probability that Sharon Tate was targeted because of her knowledge of the Bobby Kennedy murder and perhaps she was talking to other people about the RFK murder. LAPD did everything they could to stifle the Tate murder investigation but finally had to pick up members of Manson's "family" who may or may not have been the only killers. The rabbit hole goes deeper than you know.

[nego]

Roman Polanski is a genius.

[beldabeast]

My position is the killings were some kind of psy-op .

As it happens my first dating experience was the previous week-end . I met this girl whose family had moved to Dallas from one of the many Czech communities in Central Texas . There are many small towns there composed of people from there as well as Germany and Poland , etc . These communities have a strong european flavor. She herself was a full blooded czech with natural platinum hair and green eyes and a perfect porcelin complexion . She lived on a farm at the outer edge of the city .
The farm had a large grove of pecan trees and there were about 100 people there gathering the free pecans .
The song I associate with that day was one I probally heard on the radio multiple times that saturday. It was Something in the Air by Thunderclap Newman . As I look back , that was a rather unfortunate song to have as the " soundtrack" for your first date wasn't it ?

Call out the instigators because there's something in the air
we got to get together sooner or later
because the revolution's here .
and you know it's right
( Thunderclap Newman)

DO I ? I am entitled to my OWN feelings about that, thank you very much!
( Beldabeast, independent entity)

Anyhow , I researched the matter and discovered this song was the number one chart topper for three weeks, and that had to be a push . By that I mean the " CIA" was probally buying up copies to keep it on the air as part of a program to forment disorder- which is the type of envirnoment those creeps best operate in.
I suspect the so called "anti-war movement " was a false flag operation to create a straw man to use as a target for anger
from the older generation and to shift our elders attention from debate from the reasons for that stupid war , for which I have still heard no justification that I find in any way coherent .
But to say so would be to invite accusations that I must be like that
( Totally spectacular stream of filthy expletives deleted) pregant woman murdering ( yet another totally even MORE spectacular stream of filthy expletives deleted ) Charlie Manson .

belda

[beldabeast]

That is good . I hope youdon'tmind if I copyand paste this to use on a yahoo ! manson group .

belda

philovance said:

Some facts about the Sharon Tate murders that have not been widely publicized.

Sharon's father was high level military intelligence. At the time Bobby Kennedy announced that he was going to run for the presidency, the CIA's favorite director and Zionist operative, John Frankenheimer, (The Manchurian Candidate, Seconds, Seven Days in May, The Gypsy Moths, French Connection 2, Black Sunday, the Holocroft Covenant, Year of the Gun, Ronin etc.) called Bobby and asked to follow him and film him throughout his election campaign. Frankenheimer went everywhere and filmed everything Bobby did during the campaign. The night prior to the California primary, Bobby Kennedy, Frankenheimer, Sharon Tate and others stayed at the Tate residence, and had dinner and a party there. The following evening, Bobby was driven to the Ambassador hotel along with Tate and Frankenheimer who had kept tabs of Bobby's every movement during the campaign.

It appears that the Sharon Tate murders were more than an effort to start a race war. Manson was a CIA and Mafia asset, doing hits and black bag jobs for the Boys while running his family using MK-Ultra mind control techniques to manage his "family". On an early nineties Hard Copy TV program, Manson admitted he killed La Bianco, who was a bookie, because he was holding out money to his superior, Frankie Carbo, the mob boss who was in Federal prison in Illinois at the time and who controlled organized boxing up to Sonny Liston's time. The interviewer sat there with glazed look while Manson went on how dumb and uninformed the average American is. He denied any connection to the Sharon Tate murder.

There is a strong probability that Sharon Tate was targeted because of her knowledge of the Bobby Kennedy murder and perhaps she was talking to other people about the RFK murder. LAPD did everything they could to stifle the Tate murder investigation but finally had to pick up members of Manson's "family" who may or may not have been the only killers. The rabbit hole goes deeper than you know.

[sunsoflight]

My understanding is the first time The Beatles stayed at the 10050 Cielo Drive was the night they met Elvis Presley. Over time, the spin on history that there is no other connection to Manson/Polanski-Tate other than crazy hippies and The White Album. Throw together connections with Kenneth Anger, Anton Lavey, The Process, O.T.O., Susan Atkins, and other well known movie stars, and most of all, Crowley, the puzzle begins to fall into place.

[romanruins]

A very informative series of articles centered on the Laurel Canyon Music Scene in the Mid, and latter Sixties is at; www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00336.html Charles Manson and the group is mentioned through out the articles #10 being one that reports background to what was going on.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Hi all, first time poster here.

I find the whole Manson family connection fascinating.
This was written on a door at the Spahn ranch, where the family lived.

The picture was apparently taken by the police when they raided the Spahn ranch after the Tate/LaBianca killings on August 16, 1969, a month before Abbey Road was released. So there's something there. Or is the "1234567, all good children go to Heaven" some saying in UK or USA?
And while talking abot The Beatles and the Manson family, this caught my eye while flipping through the book "Manson in his own words as told to Nuel Emmons":

...They say I became convinced the Beatles' White Album with its songs of "Piggies," Revolution #9," and "Helter Skelter" held special messages for me and my circle, that I interpreted them as signals to create an uprising between the races, and began programming everyone to prepare themselves for the shit that was going to come down.
I don't deny dissapointment at not reaching my goals as a musician. Nor do I deny being impressed with the White Album. But I gotta say, those kids (the family members) were expressing their own ideas more than what was going through my mind. Hell, those kids were the Beatles' generation - I had at least ten years on most of them. I envied any succesful musician and appreciated any best-selling album, but like most people, the music I felt close to was music I had heard when I was young. Sinatra, Crosby, Como and people of that era meant more to me than the Beatles, Beach Boys or any of the prominent groups in the 60s The lyrics I wrote and the music I put to those lyrics identify me as not being all that wrapped up in the Beatles. Shit, it was Sadie and Little Paul who started deciphering messages from the Beatles' White Album. In the desert, the music I was most interested in was my own, since I knew that would interest the music people most.

Dec 28, 2004 16:48:49 GMT beldabeast said:

Back to the Tate thing . A member of the Beach Boys was also hanging out at the place and we know what happened to the drummer who may have been the same one . I will have to look that one up .

Yes it was Dennis Wilson the drummer, at least according to the book "Manson in his own words as told to Nuel Emmons".

Jan 15, 2005 14:21:20 GMT beldabeast said:

The ONLY big problem I see is that Manson evidently wounded this black drug pusher . There may have been
extenuating circumstances , but it IS a indication he is capable of violent behavior . Otherwise , he doesn't seem to be .

According to "Manson in his own words as told to Nuel Emmons", they got a call from Bernard "Lotsapoppa" Crowe to the ranch. Crowe was trying to get a hold of Charles "Tex" Watson, but Tex was out, so Manson got the call instead. Crowe, assuming he was speaking to Tex, said he has kidnapped Tex's old lady, and if he doesn't get the money from the grass he sold to Tex, he is going to cut her up and leave the pieces on his front yard. Manson replied that he is not Tex, and that Tex is out, but nobody needs to get cut up, and that he'll be over soon to straighten it up.
Manson left for the girl's apartment, where Crowe was, with Thomas "T.J." Walleman, T.J. brought along a Buntline .22 revolver. Outside the apartment Manson, fearing T.J. wouldn't be able to use the gun if push came to show, took the gun from T.J. At the apartment there were two white guys and the girl tied up and gagged on the bed. One of the white guys said to Manson and T.J. that Crowe would be right back. The guys didn't seem too hostile and there wasn't any tension. Manson made light of the situation and started clearing off a very clustered table. Seeing the guys weren't uptight, Manson went over and started untying the girl. One of the guys spoke up, "Crowe said to keep the girl tied." "Come on man," Manson replied, "where's your manhood? This girl can't out-muscle both of you. Besides, we need some coffee and she can make it for us." Manson finished untying the girl, told her to go into the bathroom and wash her tear-soaked face and then put the coffee on.
When Crowe came in, he asked the two white guys why the broad was walking around, and from Manson he asked where his money is and where was that other bastard (Tex). Manson said Tex is nowhere to be found, and as for the money, he would need a day or two to come up with it. Manson also asked Crowe to let the girl go, and said he would stand good for the money. Crowe said that he (Crowe) has some people (dealers) he has to answer to, and that Manson has four hours to get the money, and the girl stays. Manson begged for more time and that Crowe would let the girl go, but the more Manson begged, the more vicious and threatening Crowe became. Crowe was sitting in a chair, so Manson kneeled in front of him, begging. But the more Manson begged the more arrogant and threatening Crowe got, threatening to kill the girl just for fun. Manson took the gun from his belt, and handed it butt first to Crowe, saying "Hey man, if you have to take a life, take mine." As Crowe reached for the gun, Manson twirled the gun around so the handle rested in the palm of his hand and sprang to his feet. Manson stepped back and said "All right, you motherf**ker, I've begged, kissed your ass and promised - now I'm taking the girl out of here, and you can say goodbye to her, me and your dollars."

(up to now I was paraphrasing, but I'm gonna quote the Crowe shooting scene directly from the book):

Crowe stood up and showed a lot of heart, saying, "You little white trash bastard, you ain't got the balls to shoot anyone. I'm going to take that gun from you and shove it up your ass. Then I'm going out to that commune of yours with all my partners and screw all those white trash bitches. And if I have to, I'm going to pin your eyes open with toothpicks and make you watch while your white whores suck my big black dick." He was taking steps forward as I backtracked.After a couple of steps, I pulled the trigger. CLICK, nothing happened. Crowe smiled and I thought, "Oh f**k, what now?" Crowe laughed and put his meaty hands around my throat. By now my back was up against the wall. He started squeezing and lifting me from the floor. I pulled the trigger again and got just another click - "Oh shit" - then once more I yanked on the trigger. Buried as it was in his stomach, the gun didn't make a loud report, but it was enough to change the whole atmosphere of the room.
Crowe raised up on his toes, his fingers tightened on my neck for the slightest instant, then relaxed as he slid down my body to the floor. The guy closest to me lunged toward me, but T.J. finally came to life and grabbed the guy around his neck and threw him back against the wall. He made no more efforts at being a hero and neither did the other guy.

After this, Manson told the two white guys to clean the apartment and get rid of the body. Then Manson and T.J. left, being sure that the girl would be safe now that Crowe was out of the way.

It has been while since I've read the book, but I remember that the body of a Black Panther leader was found the next day on the lawn in front of a hospital in Beverly Hills. Manson thought Crowe had been the Black Panther leader (he was not) and feared retalliation from the Panthers, so he started to train gun use to the family, and set up watchmen. I remember they went back to the girl's apartment where Crowe was shot and wrote "Piggie" and "Helter Skelter" on the walls to throw the Black Panther's off of the trail of the family. And this then led to the LaBianca and Tate killings, because Tex and the some other family members had the idea of making it all look like some serial killer did it.

As Crowe survived the shooting (Manson didn't hear about it until a year later) Manson never killed anyone, and to me is unlikely he never ordered anyone to kill either, as the official story tells us he did.