Was Paul also "replaced" by Davy Jones ?

[beldabeast]

Had a strange thought last night !

With the demise of Paul , what do you do about everyone missing the " cute " Beatle ?
Faul was never a 'cute" Beatle .

Didn't Davey Jones of the Monkees come along about the time Paul died ? With his little boy good looks and his weirdly effeminate manner , do you think he may have distracted attention away from Paul ?

I am moving into looking at the other things that were going on at the time in both the pop industry and national and world events of the day .

[abbey]

Belda - I googled The Monkees. This is from The Monkees home page:

Who Are The Monkees?
The Monkees TV Show premiered on NBC in September 1966 presenting a wacky comedy show about a 4 piece long haired rock band. It was patterned after a movie, as many TV shows are, called "A Hard Days Night" starring The Beatles. The 4 actors recruited for the show had all performed musically prior to the show, and they used their real names for the characters.

Music for them to "romp" to had been created shortly before the show first aired by Don Kirschner, with the actors providing primarily vocals. The album "The Monkees", released to promote the TV show, became a chart topper with the song "Last Train To Clarksville" even before the show had aired, causing the unexpected reversal of the TV show promoting the record.

The overwhelming success of the music demanded that this "band" perform live, so the actors rehearsed the music and toured the US in December, playing all of the music themselves.

The group was surprised to see the release of their second album, imaginatively titled "More of The Monkees" show up in stores without their input, and go on to be the number 1 album of 1967. The actors demanded and received control of their musical product, as they were being reviled by the musical community for not playing on their records.

They went on that year to create the album "Headquarters", the favorite of many fans today, playing all of the music themselves. At this point they began to change the musical sound as well as the tone of the TV show, and the project ran out of steam by the end of the second TV season, and ceased production.

Without the TV show for promotion, and with no friends in the music industry because of their "easy fame", the group went their seperate ways.

In 1986, MTV ran 24 hours of Monkees TV episodes in a special called "Pleasant Valley Sunday", and revived the 20 year old band, causing a reunion record and tour (minus one notable member), to great success until 1989, when they received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame before breaking up again.

Today, the music of the group lives on through CD re-issues by Rhino, and the issuing of the entire TV series on Video. The Monkees phenomena remains a major event of 60's pop culture. Many argue that it began the idea of music video as promotion, and the marketing of TV show products to pre-teen audiences, as well as opening the door to multi-media.

Some still revile the music of the Monkees as "manufactured", others remember it as a fond memory of their childhood. The Monkees were a real working band in every sense of the word, and provided quality music and comedy in a format that had never been tried before, and were wildly successful at it.

How's that for timing, eh It couldn't have been better. Was it a coincidence ? I highly doubt it. If they premiered in Sept. 1966, that means that the shows were filmed earlier than that. It makes me feel queasy taking what you just wrote & putting 2 + 2 together.
Could they have started the auditions & then the filming KNOWING that they would need these people to distract the public from what they were PLANNING to do to The Beatles

The Monkees seemed to become famous almost inspite of themselves. The musicians themselves couldn't explain it ! Could they have been another mind control experiment set in motion in the United States around the same time that Brian & Paul were killed & replaced in the U.K.

Questions. Always more questions

[beldabeast]

beldabeast said:

Had a strange thought last night !

With the demise of Paul , what do you do about everyone missing the " cute " Beatle ?
Faul was never a 'cute" Beatle .

Didn't Davey Jones of the Monkees come along about the time Paul died ? With his little boy good looks and his weirdly effeminate manner , do you think he may have distracted attention away from Paul ?

I am moving into looking at the other things that were going on at the time in both the pop industry and national and world events of the day .

WOW ! Good work !!!
Sept 66 , huh ? Downright uncanny !
Looking at it , a awful lot of cute disappeared with Paul and they had to repace it somewhere .

I think I know what I am good at , and how I can best contribute to the discussion. We all have our talents .
Some of us are good at deciphering the illumati and Mason stuff .
Some of us are good at finding deep clues . That Strawberry fields thing with the sea horses and that strawbery underwater thingy was classic .
Others here are good computer people .
I am good at postulating , or playing 'what if ".
It will do for now .

[abbey]

Just keep up the good work, Belda. It's members like you that keep us on our toes, toes that is ;D

[beldabeast]

Sister said:

Just keep up the good work, Belda. It's members like you that keep us on our toes, toes that is ;D

I consider myself a second or third tier member .
There are others who bring a lot of firepower to the effort . I have seen folks do things here I could never do .

I hope to develop this " talent " if you can call it that .
Maybe it can be useful . I am still working on the Manson thing , btw . I think that one could get interesting .

[abbey]

Go for it. Every day I'm trying new things. I just learned yesterday how to use the color change on the font ;D

[byrdsmaniac]

Being older than dirt, I remember the debut of
"The Monkees" TV show. Beatle fans were ready to hate the show, but were somewhat won over, although musically there was no comparison.
Remember that in 1968 there were only 3 TV networks
and PBS just beginning in the U.S.
Ideas for TV shows were eagerly tried. Something for "the kids"? Yeh, they'll dig it!
I think it was all fairly innocent in those days.
So my vote is: just a coincidence. The new TV shows
ALWAYS made their debut in September in those days, BTW. The thinking was that in the Summer people were outside partying, but as the nights grew longer, and
the weather colder, people would be ready to huddle
around the TV.

[PaulBearer]

Yes, I think it was a coincidence - there would have proabaly been several episodes in the can by the time it aired in September '66 though it may also have been considered by the FBI as an active backlash to The Beatles British invasion, one which I believe they felt was a threat to American culture and the American way of life.

[abbey]

It could be a coincidence. However, it also might not be. Don't EVER forget how powerful TPTB are

[beldabeast]

byrdsmaniac said:

Being older than dirt, I remember the debut of
"The Monkees" TV show. Beatle fans were ready to hate the show, but were somewhat won over, although musically there was no comparison.
Remember that in 1968 there were only 3 TV networks
and PBS just beginning in the U.S.
Ideas for TV shows were eagerly tried. Something for "the kids"? Yeh, they'll dig it!
I think it was all fairly innocent in those days.
So my vote is: just a coincidence. The new TV shows
ALWAYS made their debut in September in those days, BTW. The thinking was that in the Summer people were outside partying, but as the nights grew shorter, and
the weather colder, people would be ready to huddle
around the TV.

Maybe so . My thing is this ;
There were a number of weird things going on in the latter half of the 60's .
In addition to the assassinations and the war , we also had the Gus Grissom launch pad "accident " which was highly suspicious . There was also the pending moon shot(s) and a number of things I can't recall right now , Manson being one .
The television industry ( as Bryds mentioned ) was in it's formative years more than we usually think .
Many programs were still in black and white . Only 3 national networks and short operating hours and the tv sets themselves were very crude ( and expensive) .


I have been studying the use of the media to create public alarm over non-existant threats . This seems to be more of a American problem than in Britian from what Ive been able to tell from monitoring the BBC .
I believe this is a conditioning process of some sort .
A news break is annouced in a melodramatic fashion .
The viewer begins to pale with anxiety , at which point he or she becomes susceptible to whatever imput is being recieved since the ability to evaluate has been lessened . False and ridiculous versions of events have been disseminated ( Jfk and 9-11 and the Tate Murders)
during this conditioned impairment making them difficult to locate and process back out .
I'm still in the preliminary stages with this and I barely understand it .
The long and short of it is the TV set is being used as a hypnotic suggestion tool of some kind .
One result is we have just spent 300 billion dollars
on a war versus a nation that doesn't even have a military capability to fight a threat that is entirely imaginary .
Other factors were coming into place most notably the coming of age of the baby boomers who were coming into the age of majority or entering their teen years .
The overseas drug supply systems were being put into place . The appearance of the "hard rock/ drug oriented
/ stomp your fellow music patron to death era was about to be launched . This and other manifestations caused tensions between the generations ( the generation gap ). Campus riots , anti -war demonstrations , drug epidemics , backlashes - and I want to understand WTF caused all this .

Despite the popular catch phrases of the day such as " peace and love " and "understanding " division and friction and conflict were the product .
So what the hell was the deal ?
The question is still important because the situation is still a ongoing one .

In 1966 pop music was a relatively harmless pastime for the kids and those kids slept behind often unlocked doors and played in safety on unguarded streets and rode in cars which were left in the driveway unlocked and with windows rolled down . Much different today !

I am relying on a imperfect and faulty memory and the 51 year old Belda is a very different creature than the 13 year old Belda of 1966 which means the software doesnt interface , so to speak.
So divining the relationship of all the above factors as well as those not mentioned is not going to be easy .
And I am not sure what I can do with the information once I have it , which is the really charming part .

Addendum ;

[plastic paul]

I dont know if you guys are aware of this or not but Davy Jones is actually english. He was born in manchester, not all that far from liverpool. As a kid he was in a few TV shows, Coronation Street being the most famous and I believe he moved to the US when he was around the age of 10(), when he got the role of Oliver in the broadway musical.

[beldabeast]

plastic said:

I dont know if you guys are aware of this or not but Davy Jones is actually english. He was born in manchester, not all that far from liverpool. As a kid he was in a few TV shows, Coronation Street being the most famous and I believe he moved to the US when he was around the age of 10(), when he got the role of Oliver in the broadway musical.

I always thought he was English . His accent was fairly heavy .

[gracemer]

I think they tried to turn Davy into another Paul, but although he was cute, he wasn't as talented and he wasn't as cute. I could never get into him.

[beldabeast]

gracemer said:

I think they tried to turn Davy into another Paul, but although he was cute, he wasn't as talented and he wasn't as cute. I could never get into him.

I agree . I still suspect that he was useful as a distraction from the sudden disappearance of the cuteness of James Paul , which went wherever the white goes when the snow melts , now that I think back on it .
Study of the American propaganda machine is my specialty . I have learned it works through subtle misdirection much moreso than the old hard sell.
No wonder we Americans APPEAR to be stupid !
It's just that the propaganda machine is simply BRILLIANT !

[abbey]

Agreed

[gracemer]

I don't know about brilliant. They hold almost all the marbles though. Many people, like you, are on to them! Their mistakes are catching up with them, plus they're getting careless.

[beldabeast]

gracemer said:

I don't know about brilliant. They hold almost all the marbles though. Many people, like you, are on to them! Their mistakes are catching up with them, plus they're getting careless.

Lately I've been wondering if they are going to " get away " with it .
At times the situation is very discouraging because of how uninformed and gullible many of us seem to be .

On the other hand maybe the human populace as a whole has a collective survival instinct that on some level can reconize the threat and cause events to counter and even defeat the NWO . Maybe it is as a whirlpool . We will either be drawn down into it or flung out and away .

One encouraging sign is the seeming isolation of the Bush administration in the international community .
I understand the 12 allies are withdrawing or planning to withdraw from the Iraqi conflict . Maybe it's just to create a impression or maybe a sign the Bush people have been caught overplaying their hand .

One thing that has been worrying me is there will be a nuclear attack on a American city that will be falsely blamed on some terrorist group using " stolen" fissionable materials . Seems mighty funny we never get any gold stolen from Fort Knox but we seem helpless to control uranium .

[byrdsmaniac]

beldabeast said:

Seems mighty funny we never get any gold stolen from Fort Knox but we seem helpless to control uranium .

Well. now that you mention it....

[beldabeast]

gracemer said:

I don't know about brilliant. They hold almost all the marbles though. Many people, like you, are on to them! Their mistakes are catching up with them, plus they're getting careless.

Yes ! And I sometimes wonder if people working for them are pulling a John Lennon and leaving tell tale clues like that white prison chair in the Nick Berg video and that piece of the AA plane left on the Pentagon lawn . American Airlines planes are unpainted , bare aluminium . The trouble was that piece of debri was
PAINTED GRAY ! A too obvious mistake ?

[defhermit]

White prison chair in the Nick Berg video? please explain? I never heard anything about that. I know who Nick Berg is.

[beldabeast]

defhermit said:

White prison chair in the Nick Berg video? please explain? I never heard anything about that. I know who Nick Berg is.

There was a video of Nick Berg either being executed or being held . There was a white chair of the same type that was seen at that POW camp where the torture was supposedly going on . The two chairs appeared to be identical .

The video of Mr Berg being " executed " seemed very
suspicious because the victim didnt even twitch when the knife was put to him .

[defhermit]

well, I heard about the speculation that Nick Berg was actually already dead when they decapitated him. I can imagine that happening. One of the kidnappers who doesn't understand the full scope of why they were holding this American gets pissed off for whatever reason and kills him, then the leader comes back from lunch and is like "Cripes, Bill, we didn't even get to film it! How can I salvage this?"... not to sound disrespectful...

I'm gonna research the identical chair thing, never heard of that...