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Post by marosinfos on Nov 7, 2003 3:04:34 GMT
I have a question...
and I am sorry if I am repeating anything that has already been covered on this board, I read this board all the time, but there is so much too it...
Okay, back to the question... Does anyone have any theories on John's death or if Yoko had any involvement?
I did get to read something about this guy who had done very extensive research into the facts behind the murder, but all of his conclusions were based off of facts and he didn't explain Yoko at all. He said that she had exited the car and was much further ahead of him, (i forget how much further) but i was wondering if she had purposely separated herself from him that night b/c she knew or had involvement...
One thing I read said something briefly that she was involved, but it seemed more like pure opinion and it had nothing to back it up or to support the theory.
I admit that my knowledge is limited on this subject, especially considering that I wasn't even alive when it happened... and since I haven't really come across anyone else saying much about it before, I was curious as to the opinions of everyone here.
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Post by PaulBearer on Nov 7, 2003 5:37:41 GMT
Yoko is a spy. She was sent to keep John in control and stop him from spilling the beans. Along the way she also got entangled with him romantically (if that's the word to call it). When he was finally breaking free from her after trying to put new clues about Faul in his final album "Double Fantasy" for which the interpretion is "Fantasy of a double" (although she stopped him from doing so, removed all his clue songs and put in her own songs) and could no longer be controlled, she ordered/colluded in his execution.
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Post by Imgonnaopenmymind on Nov 8, 2003 3:46:51 GMT
Proof other than 60IF, please. She was sent to keep John in control and stop him from spilling the beans. Again, besides 60IF, where does it say this? Along the way she also got entangled with him romantically (if that's the word to call it). This I can believe. She honestly loved him to an extreme point of possessiveness and he loved her. When he was finally breaking free from her after trying to put new clues about Faul in his final album "Double Fantasy" for which the interpretion is "Fantasy of a double" (although she stopped him from doing so, removed all his clue songs and put in her own songs) and could no longer be controlled, she ordered/colluded in his execution. Uh, pardon me, but "Double Fantasy" is also the name of a freesia hybrid that John's assistant Fred says he saw in Bermuda, inspiring him to give the album that name. And, again, please give me proof other than 60IF that she "ordered/colluded in his execution." Besides the opinions of some people, there is no evidence of such things. Openmind
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Post by Darkhorse on Nov 12, 2003 2:57:08 GMT
I honestly would like to know more about Yoko's involvement with the intelligence agency and just how much she had to do with John's death. I find it hard to believe that she would have him executed. It's just too hard to take.
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Post by Scatterdome on Nov 19, 2003 18:52:23 GMT
I have always had the impression that Yoko is a good person, based on 1) the many cool things she's said and done over the years, and 2) the fact that John Lennon, one of the most spiritual musicians of our time and someone who has always been a major inspiration to me as both a musician and a human being, was so famously in love with her. At the same time, if one were to compare characteristics of their relationship to a typical couple, based on many first- and second-hand published accounts, one might conclude that he was codependent on her, that in their relationship he was basically her subordinate. If that's how it was, one might wonder if Yoko actually was coldly dominating John's soul, if she may have had a dark side that he was never even aware of. Were the many excellent things she said and did over the years just a cover for her darkest secret? I'm open to it, but it doesn't feel right-- maybe because it seems less logically probable, but maybe because I don't want to believe that that's how it really was with those two... Ultimately, I still lean towards thinking she is cool, but can't decide. When all is said and done, judging other peoples' relationships when you've never met the people is a dubious "science." After all, John & Yoko both claimed and seemed to make each other happy. At this point, I should mention that on the thread where I posted my alternate (to 60IF) theory of the Faul mystery, I detail some thoughts on Lennon's assassination, which don't factor in Yoko. I briefly mention Yoko in a positive light on the thread. Even so, if she is evil, it wouldn't really conflict (or factor in at all) with my overall Faul theory or my overall view of how the Illuminati fit into this story. Here's the link to that thread, once again: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=paul&action=display&thread=1063219993Also, I have a post at the following link which illustrates that the Illuminati have basically informed us that they sent Mark David Chapman to kill John, through their trademark use of blatant symbolism (in this case, symbolism relating to Stu Sutcliffe) in their choice of dates for both Lennon's assassination (December 8, 1980, the 20th anniversary of Stu Sutcliffe leaving the Beatles) and Illuminati-tool Faul's announcement that he was leaving the Beatles (April 10, 1970, the 8th anniversary of Stu Sutcliffe's death.) Here's the link: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=document&thread=1059772461&start=15
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Nov 29, 2003 19:05:39 GMT
I'd like to know more too. I don't find it hard to believe anymore. Just that I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions. I can remember seeing a picture of Yoko as a very small child. I didn't really know who she was but it made a big impression on me. I had a gut feeling...not a good person... I too share your intuitive feelings. In recent years, I had a manager whose job was to pitch me and my music to prospective record industry types and labels. Since my music and voice have Lennonish simularities, this manager all of a sudden was hot to make a personal appointment with YOKO at Studio One offices and hand deliver one of my CD's. The manager apparently had met Yoko once before, and they knew each other casually. When I heard this, I was horrified and before I refused permission for the exchange, I fired the manager and severed all ties...which remains so until this day! At all costs, I wanted to remain below her radar, for some reason. Remember when Yoko went to England in 1966, she was married to Tony Cox and had Kyoko already. They were in deep financial staits and initially YOKO approached Paul...who, referred her to John. Within a year of their meeting, one thing john did do was pay all Ono/Cox outstanding debts, pay Tony Cox directly in order to secure Kyoko for Yoko (it didn't work). So, stargazing and cash payouts were in the forefront in the early "love affair" days. My personal intuition tells me all I need to know....I do get bad vibes, and questions arising in connection to John's murder. As any attorney would ask the jury: who has benefitted directly?
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Post by phanthom on Mar 15, 2006 10:05:25 GMT
I read somewhere that Yoko revealed the security strategy (on either a radio show or magazine/newspaper article) just days before the assasination. As I cannot recall where I read this, please don't consider it fact. There use to be a really fine music/arts rag that came out weekly in NYC duing those years called "The Soho Weekly News". The week that JL was shot, the cover photo was Yoko with the Headline, "Yoko Only". The paper was dated a week in advance and the ending date was December 8th... Rumour had it that Yoko bought out the paper and buried it. I still have that issue.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 15, 2006 12:36:21 GMT
Interesting revelations to say the least if they are indeed true.
Anychance you could scan your copy of that mag and put it up for us?
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Post by mindgames on Jul 9, 2007 0:36:04 GMT
Why did Faul hate Yoko if Yoko was protecting the secret by controlling John?
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