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Post by SunKing on Aug 6, 2003 22:53:38 GMT
to Spanky, my Dear Qeen...
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Post by pennylane on Aug 6, 2003 22:54:31 GMT
hahahahaha sun king my hero my king.... (....big hug....)
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Post by newave on Aug 6, 2003 22:56:01 GMT
BTW everybody, look at the pic posted by Alex P. Keaton. Does that picture of Paul not looked doctored or what? What picture? Are you talking about my sig? I haven't posted anything with Paul on it.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 6, 2003 23:01:12 GMT
BTW everybody, look at the pic posted by Alex P. Keaton. Does that picture of Paul not looked doctored or what? It seems genuine. Just a little bit distorted because they were so close to the lens. And Paul's teeth replaced with FAul's ones Head dimensions probably changed (look how big is John's one). I got other shots of the same session. I have only to search them...
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Post by newave on Aug 6, 2003 23:10:07 GMT
It seems genuine. Just a little bit distorted because they were so close to the lens. Head dimensions probably changed (look how big is John's one). I got other shots of the same session. I have only to search them... I've had that sig on a few other boards, I just always figured who ever made it took different pictures of The Beatles and put it into one...
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Post by Darkhorse on Aug 6, 2003 23:24:15 GMT
It looks different to me. However I could very well be wrong. I've seen the pics from this photo shoot and in this pic Paul looks older to me than the ones I originally saw. I am sure Sun King can find it if it exists. ;D
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Post by gharryson on Aug 7, 2003 4:57:57 GMT
I am not sure what to believe on here concerning Paul being dead and replaced......The 60IF document doesn't make sense to me in the end....and there are too many people involved to keep something like this that quiet...too bad there isn't a beatle fan out there who has a little strand of paul's hair, would be easy enough to get a little bit of dna from 'Faul' if necessary.....perhaps a comparison...just a thought...don't slam the doubting thomases...it's people like that who makes everyone think a little harder, push a little farther to get to the truth...I understand what Alex says...except for the Yoko controlling John thing....he was too outspoken, strong willed and opinionated to be controlled...even if she had-how long would it take someone like John to see through it....he was a incredibly sharp fellow...and being controlled by someone...doesn't just jive with me...although she was incredible strong willed and independent...as was he...i think it would have taken someone like that to keep from being blindsided so to speak, by beatlemania and all the things that went with it...she has done alot to keep his memory alive...although not all agree with her methods...but she could have done a hell of a lot worse...like giving "Faul" permission to have his name first on 'Yesterday' and God knows what else had he the inclination....lets try to remember she saw her husband murdered...a foreign spy...don't think so...there would have been less complex but just as effective ways to eliminate someone....
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 7, 2003 5:17:34 GMT
too many people involved to keep something like this that quiet
It's all about carrots and sticks.
Carrot = $$$
stick = "freak car wreck" (cf Tara Browne) or "lone nut reading Salinger" (cf Chapman).
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 7, 2003 5:28:12 GMT
except for the Yoko controlling John thing
If Yoko was indeed an intelligence operative, which i tend to think the more I read, remember that her seduction of him would have been aided with information gleaned from years of wiretaps and HUMINT and the like.
he was too outspoken, strong willed and opinionated to be controlled
He was apparently on heroin throughout much of the 70s, and perhaps LSD before that, making him more controlable.
even if she had-how long would it take someone like John to see through it
He was off the H and slipping from her control in 1980.
he was a incredibly sharp fellow
True enough, but he was led to believe the Stones were responsible for Paul's death at first. So obviously the man wasn't omniscient.
But he was clever enough to leave enough information to tell the story to those clever enough to read it.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 7, 2003 8:34:42 GMT
-TotalInformation-...your name means so much... W-E-L-C-O-M-E!!!
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Post by Ramon on Aug 7, 2003 11:48:44 GMT
I am not saying wether Yoko was controlling or not.Tosay that John was too smart,to up on the game to be fooled,loved Yoko too much,was too street wise,or was too well informed to be HAD is not a healthy response. Deception is deception.You dont go looking for deception where you think you are going to find it.That wouldn't be deception would it. There is a wealth of information out there which will describe how mind control works.How programming,pre programming and the creation of 'slaves' be they for the governments or not are prized possessions in the intelligence quarters.You think Bob Hope was just a comedian? Fritz Springmeier,Cathy O'Brien,'Trance Formation of America' and sources of information such as these [David Icke],exposes of Jim Morrison which I posted o the old site,all lead one to know how sordid and manipulated we are,can be,have been,and if we are not careful-will be again. John Lennon was great.But dont make him out to be the one who could not be fooled by yhose nearest and dearest to him.Also we have to drop all of our Beatle baggage we used to carry along with us.Remember bagism?John did.
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Post by Eggman on Aug 7, 2003 13:27:34 GMT
Just remember the famous "lost weekend" when he was separated of Yoko for 18 months. All his old friends, including Ringo said that John was the "genuine" John again. I don't know what to think
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 7, 2003 13:40:55 GMT
Even if Ono was an operative, that doesn't mean she did not love Lennon in some way. I would think many women in 1966 would have jumped at the chance to be his lover and/or wife. She may have vewed herself as protecting him in some way.
And if Lennon suspected something later, during the "lost weekend" or what have you, he may have stuck with it hoping for the best realizing confiding to any other woman about Faul would have gotten him killed. . . and at some poit he had a son to think about as well. . .
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 8, 2003 9:00:05 GMT
I think he knew she was an operative from the beginning - their initial meeting was "arranged" - she was supposed to (among other things) be his bodyguard to protect him from another kidnapping attempt or somesuch. But they fell in "love" anyway.
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Post by gharryson2 on Aug 9, 2003 18:28:45 GMT
totalinformation: re: carrots=$$$ the Ono Family are one of the largest banking familys in Japan.....no dice here
Yoko me John in 1966 at the Indica Gallery....why would they need years of wire taps before 1966...and when did she get her training...during her time studying philosophy with the emporers son, during her first marriage to a classical musician, her second to Tony Cox whilst she was pregnant with Kyoko...
John was not on heroin 'through out the 70's' he quit the drugs to have Sean...the early 70's probably...mid-late 70's doubt it...
Off the H and slipping from her control...Ok might believe that if it weren't for the videos, photos, family trips...why let her run the business if he didn't want her in control...
who led him to believe the stones.....who did the leading?
Clever enough to leave.....you shouldn't be saying 'read it' it should be interpret it....which is what everyone is doing when it comes to these songs...John himself said in 12/06/80 when asked about people interpreting his songs...."it's fun for a while and then it becomes....stupid!"
And i am not one to make him out as somebody who couldn't be fooled-Remember Magic Alex?-but he was definitely intelligent, and not a pushover in the least....and if yoko was 'involved' why was the press so hard on her....why did everyone try to break them up....seems as though they would have needed public support especially from the other three....(keep them together to everyones specticle and keep the heat off us...so to speak)
And its not dropping Beatle baggage that counts....it's using a bit of common sense....I AGREE WITH THE DIFFERENCES OF PAUL AND FAUL...but even in those days intelligence agencies know the simplest plan works the best....
At least totalinformation says that she might have loved him....we need to keep some human aspect into it....as much as i think this needs looking into....lets not fall into pointing fingers without good proof...or at least a hint of something....she came from a well know respected family with wealth in their own right...What about Cyn.....she was already with him...would have been easier to 'convince' her especially with a son to threaten...
Good points with the paul/faul aspect...
where is the info on Yoko...all i see is speculation....with no hint of some kind of evidence...(she was here during this time...she was there or whatever)....when John was murdered she tried to get him out of the country because things "were getting hectic" he said " no i want to be here with you"
Seems to me on this aspect the opinions here are more racists and slanderous with no thought at all...and thats a shame....
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Post by gharryson2 on Aug 9, 2003 18:31:48 GMT
To sun king:
my name may not mean much, but it's my love of the beatles, not you, that brings me here....when i see some of the posts for you makes me wonder....and when are we seeing this 'document' in it's original form.....
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 9, 2003 21:45:28 GMT
As I said, I'm not set on Ono having been an operative, and am always open to more infomration.
re: carrots=$$$ the Ono Family are one of the largest banking familys in Japan.....
The banksters and the intelligence agencies have always had an incestuus relationship. The latter basically serves the interests of the former. ANd you're neglecting the sticks aspect should she have changed her mind later.
Yoko me John in 1966 at the Indica Gallery....why would they need years of wire taps before 1966
Look at the big picture -- The Beatles had been a tool of Tavistockian mass mind-control basically since they signed their contract with the military-intel front EMI. They had been under close watch for years. Information gathered would have been used for any mission of seduction.
...and when did she get her training...
Someone else on this board has suggested a timeline for that, I can't recall right now -- keep looking. Do realize it could have started as early as her undergraduate years.
Off the H and slipping from her control...Ok might believe that if it weren't for the videos, photos, family trips...why let her run the business if he didn't want her in control...
I won't dispute your H timeline for now. Someone has linked on this board however, to an account of what was going on while Double Fantasy was being recorded -- it is definitely a portrait of Lennon reasserting himself and slipping from Ono's control.
who led him to believe the stones.....who did the leading?
The same intelligence typed who "helped" them by providing Faul.
.and if yoko was 'involved' why was the press so hard on her...
The mainstream press is a joke.
At least totalinformation says that she might have loved him....we need to keep some human aspect into it...
I agree. These are all real people here who went through a lot together.
.What about Cyn.....she was already with him...would have been easier to 'convince' her especially with a son to threaten...
It is not an issue of convincing the spouse but an issue of controlling John -- a very unique individiual and loose cannon.
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