Sept 28,1966 Paul Is Found.... Where?

[abbey]

You ain't kidding

[TheDZ]

Hey there Total, speaking of Doris Day, Leslie Conn, David Bowie's (Jones) first manager, continued working with Doris (Foris) Day , managing her publishing company after he and David amicably parted ways in 1965.

David's next and first real manager Ralph Horton, also worked as a driver for the Moody Blues....


connections, connections

[abbey]

This is SPECULATION FOLKS :
They all knew each other. I'm sure that all the current, & up & coming British groups at that time, knew that Paul had died & was replaced. They probably were told the story that it happened in a car crash. One that was due to his own carelessness, so that it was seen as a terrible tragedy. Keep your mouths shut. It will only cause more pain to his family & friends if you talk about it.
So, out of respect to Paul's family & friends noone talked about it, & Bill was allowed to TRY to fill Paul's shoes. Like that's ever going to happen

[PaulBearer]

But...I think they gave different people different stories about how he died so all these "insiders" have conflicting information. This is one of the reasons for the changing 60IF story. And this is the problem; it's all a giant puzzle but we somehow have to know how to pick the "right" pieces to put together.

IMO, I think Paul's body may have been found on the 27th rather than the 28th. I think the 28 "is found" is a wrong interpretation - the problem is the 28th is a Wednesday but the body finding was "stupid bloody Tuesday". I think that the original interpretation of the number plate, that he would've been 28 if he had been alive is correct, particularly in light of the fact that Abbey Road was supposed to be the last album and come out in the second half of 1970. The final track listed is "The End" and the word Beatles is broken up on the cover.

[Hamlet]

Ok, so how the 28 frame number in the Volkswagen photo in the White Album Poster, released before Abbey Road, can be explained?

Volkswagen in White Album(1968), 28
Volkswagen in Abbey Road(intended for 1970), 28

Both are connected.

If 28IF was for Pauls age, then the 28 in the WhiteA photo doesn[t fit for an age, doesn[t make sense.

28 being a date, or a km number, DOES make sense in both Volkswagen references

So, the lmw28if for pauls age is probably part of misinformation back in 1969



What if the Volkswagen/28 clue is a date (or a location, km 28) someone else was found dead inside that car, or near it?

Someone was found in "Stupid bloody Tuesday" and the next day someone else IS FOUND?

...........someone related to Paul??? Sylvie?? Paul guilty??

Like SK said, Abbey Road: 3 beatles surrendering Paul to the Police?

[semolinapilchard]

Wasn't it around '66 when David Jones changed his name to David Bowie?

I always thought Bowie had a striking resemblence to Brian Jones...but that's a different story...

Here's a song that seems to have some clues in it...from Hunky Dory, 1972, David Bowie's "The Bewley Brothers":


And so the story goes
they wore the clothes
They said the things
to make it seem improbable
The whale of a lie
like they hope it was
And the Goodmen of Tomorrow
Had their feet in the wallow
And their heads of Brawn
were nicer shorn
And how they bought their positions with saccharin and trust
And the world was asleep
to our latent fuss
Sighing, the swirl through the streets
Like the crust of the sun
The Bewlay Brothers
In our Wings that Bark
Flashing teeth of Brass
Standing tall in the dark
Oh, And we were Gone
Hanging out with your Dwarf Men
We were so turned on
By your lack of conclusions

I was Stone and he was Wax
So he could scream,
and still relax, unbelievable
And we frightened the small children away
And our talk was old
and dust would flow
Thru our veins and Lo!
it was midnight
Back o' the kitchen door
Like the grim face
on the Cathedral floor
And the solid book we wrote
Cannot be found today

And it was Stalking time
for the Moonboys
The Bewlay Brothers
With our backs on the arch
In the Devil-may-be-here
But He can't sing about that
Oh, And we were Gone
Real Cool Traders
We were so Turned On
You thought we were Fakers

Now the dress is hung,
the ticket pawned
The Factor Max that proved the fact
Is melted down
And woven on the edging of my pillow
Now my Brother lays upon the Rocks
He could be dead, He could be not
He could be You
He's Camelian, Comedian, Corinthian and Caricature
"Shooting-up Pie-in-the-Sky"
The Bewlay Brothers
In the feeble and the Bad
The Bewlay Brothers
In the Blessed and Cold
In the Crutch-hungry Dark
Was where we flayed our Mark
Oh, and we were Gone
Kings of Oblivion
We were so Turned On
In the Mind-Warp Pavilion

Lay me place and bake me Pie
I'm starving for me Gravy
Leave my shoes, and door unlocked
I might just slip away
Just for the Day, Hey!
Please come Away, Hey!

O.k., this song is such a treasure trove that it's almost unbelievable. Firstly,

"And so the story goes
they wore the clothes
They said the things
to make it seem improbable
The whale of a lie
like they hope it was"

This line seems to suggest the whole Sgt. Pepper thing. They wore the clothes, the Pepper suits, they said things to make the replacement seem plausible, but it was a "whale of a lie"!

"And the solid book we wrote
Cannot be found today", what could this book be. maybe a book detailing the introduction of Faul to the world.

Then he goes on to say it was "stalking time for the Moonboys", possibly a reference to Johnny and the Moondogs, Lennon's old band?

This next part clinches it for me...

"Now my Brother lays upon the Rocks
He could be dead, He could be not
He could be You
He's Camelian, Comedian, Corinthian and Caricature
"Shooting-up Pie-in-the-Sky",

I mean, come on!!!!

There are more clues in this song as well, but I'm sure you guys can pick 'em out! Have fun.

[abbey]

Hamlet, the body in the car was Brian's.
Paul had NOTHING to do with Sylvie's death. He surely did NOT kill her !
Semolina - GREAT JOB !
There are more clues, you're right !

And how they bought their positions with saccharin and trust -
And the world was asleep
to our latent fuss -
Sighing, the swirl through the streets
Like the crust of the sun
The Bewlay Brothers
In our Wings that Bark
Flashing teeth of Brass
Standing tall in the dark
Oh, And we were Gone
Hanging out with your Dwarf Men
We were so turned on
By your lack of conclusions

Noone woul suspect any foul play involving the Golden Boys, The Beatles !

He actually mentions Wings, Bill's band. He CAPITALIZED the word for a reason, folks ! He mentions dwarf men, the dwarf in MMT ?
We were so turned on by your lack of conclusions.
The fact that noone seemed to catch on was an actual turn on for those involved in the switch !

There's more. I would like to see someone else take up the torch !

[semolinapilchard]

Very nice Sister!

I was just checking out this stanza...

The Bewlay Brothers
With our backs on the arch
In the Devil-may-be-here
But He can't sing about that
Oh, And we were Gone
Real Cool Traders
We were so Turned On
You thought we were Fakers

"Real Cool Traders"...Paul for Faul...pretty cool trade, absolutely icy if ya ask me!

"turned on"..."fakers"...hmmm...?

turn me on dead man

Also it seems the devil(a.k.a. Faul) was there but it couldn't be sung about...at least not sung about obviously...it seems everyone was singing about it in a sort of veiled code from Lennon to Bowie...I wonder who else knows?

[abbey]

I'm pretty sure that it was an inside joke among the rock & roll celebrities of that time period.
Look what they did. they REPLACED Paul McCartney. I wonder what they're gonna do for an encore

BTW - that Stanza is rife with meaning. Isn't there a famous ARCH in Paris

[semolinapilchard]

I was reading the Kali-fornia posts and I began to think of that Eagles classic...yeah, you guessed it, Hotel California.

You can never leave!

[semolinapilchard]

The lyrics to this David Bowie song have always freaked me out....it's from the Space Oddity album and it's called "Cygnet Committee"....

I bless you madly, sadly as I tie my shoes
I love you badly, just in time, at times, I guess
Because of you I need to rest
Because it's you that sets the test

So much has gone and little is new
And as the sparrow sings
Dawn chorus for
Someone else to hear
The Thinker sits alone growing older
And so bitter

I gave Them life
I gave Them all
They drained my very soul...dry
I crushed my heart to ease Their pains
No thought for me remains there
Nothing can They spare
What of me?
Who praised Their efforts to be free?
Words of strength and care and sympathy
I opened doors that would have blocked Their way
I braved Their cause to guide, for little pay
I ravaged at my finance just for Those
Those whose claims were steeped in peace, tranquility
Those who said a new world, new ways ever free
Those whose promises stretched in hope and grace for me

I bless you madly, sadly as I tie my shoes
I love you badly, just in time, at times, I guess
Because of you I need to rest, oh yes
Because it's you that sets the test

So much has gone and little is new
And as the sunrise stream
Flickers on me,
My friends talk
Of glory, untold dream, where all is God and God is just a word

"We had a friend, a talking man
Who spoke of many powers he had
Not of the best of men, but Ours
We used him
We let him use his powers
We let him fill Our needs
Now We are strong

And the road is coming to its end
Now the damned have no time to make amends
No purse of token fortune stands in Our way
The silent guns of love will blast the sky

We broke the ruptured structure built of age
Our weapons were the tongues of crying rage
Where money stood
We planted seeds of rebirth
And stabbed the backs of fathers
Sons of dirt

Infiltrated business cesspools
Hating through Our sleeves
Yea, and We slit the Catholic throat
Stoned the poor on slogans such as

Wish You Could Hear
Love Is All We Need
Kick Out The Jams
Kick Out Your Mother
Cut Up Your Friend
Screw Up Your Brother or He'll Get You In the End

And We Know the Flag of Love is from Above
And We Can Force You to Be Free
And We Can Force You to Believe

And I close my eyes and tighten up my brain
For I once read a book in which the lovers were slain
For they knew not the words of the Free States' refrain
It said

I believe in the Power of Good
I Believe in the State of Love
I Will Fight For the Right to be Right
I Will Kill for the Good of the Fight for the Right to be Right

And I open my eyes to look around
And I see a child laid slain on the ground
As a love machine lumbers through desolation rows
Ploughing down man, woman, listening to its command
But not hearing anymore
Not hearing anymore
Just the shrieks from the old rich

And I Want to Believe
In the madness that calls now
And I want to Believe
That a light's shining through
Somehow

And I Want to Believe
And You Want to Believe
And We Want to Believe
And We Want to Live
Oh, We Want to Live

We Want to Live
We Want to Live
We Want to Live
We Want to Live
We Want to Live

I Want to Live
I Want to Live
I Want to Live
I Want to Live
I Want to Live
I Want to Live

Live
Live
Liiive

[abbey]

Hamlet said:

Ok, so how the 28 frame number in the Volkswagen photo in the White Album Poster, released before Abbey Road, can be explained?

Volkswagen in White Album(1968), 28
Volkswagen in Abbey Road(intended for 1970), 28

Both are connected.

If 28IF was for Pauls age, then the 28 in the WhiteA photo doesn[t fit for an age, doesn[t make sense.

28 being a date, or a km number, DOES make sense in both Volkswagen references

So, the lmw28if for pauls age is probably part of misinformation back in 1969



What if the Volkswagen/28 clue is a date (or a location, km 28) someone else was found dead inside that car, or near it?

Someone was found in "Stupid bloody Tuesday" and the next day someone else IS FOUND?

...........someone related to Paul??? Sylvie?? Paul guilty??

Like SK said, Abbey Road: 3 beatles surrendering Paul to the Police?

What if the km stands for kilometers. The Brits used metric measures. So km=kilometers instead of 28 miles ....28 km from or to where?

[TheDZ]

Here's a comparison of the coast of France near Boulogne sur Mer and the "map" that magician Faul points at and then announces that the Mystery Tour Bus is 10 miles north on the Dewsbury road. (such a rash from the nose prosthesis;) ;D, perhaps a reason why Bill leaves it off most of the time)

To give an idea of scale, the distance from Boulogne to Cap Gris Nez ( Grey Nose Course ) is 10 miles due north

[Jilli]

My question is why would he say miles and not kilometers?

I have found 15 Dewsbury Road references in Britian on the web page:

www.multimap.com

The only Dewsbury Road that does go north and is long enough is A653. It is also known as the Dewsbury Road. It starts at Dewsbury and goes all the way up to Leeds.

Multimap lists miles not kilometers.

[semolinapilchard]

Good one Jilli! Very interesting, why indeed would a European say miles?

[semolinapilchard]

There's another, much shorter Dewsbury Road in the Dudden Hill section of London. Here's a link to the map

www.londontown.com/LondonStreets/dewsbury_road_214.html

[Jilli]

from "The DeZombificator's post:

the "map" that magician Faul points at and then announces that the Mystery Tour Bus is 10 miles north on the Dewsbury road.

does Faul say north ON the Dewsbury Road or does he say North OF the Dewsbury Road?

There are at least 10 Dewsbury Roads in Great Britain, Semolina. Why do you believe the MMT started in London?

[TheDZ]

.....and the reason it is called Grey Nose Course, is, of course, because it is attached to a face...


Hey looks a bit like Bill! Just Kidding!


Ringo noses out the same map oriented differently....note the position of the 'mouth' of the "urn"...

another copy of the map exists at the top of the blackboard oriented like this one

Note that on tip of the geometric figure (stellated dodecahedron) is pointing at the dip , corresponding with the 'mouth' of the face ( Boulogne sur Mer)


Maybe the Hel (i cop) ter went Helter Skelter near these cliffs and Paul drifted not too far.....

[abbey]

Good job everyone ;D

[Delta]

Semolina said:

Good one Jilli! Very interesting, why indeed would a European say miles?

great britain is the only european country (still) using inches, yards and miles for measuring distance.

[abbey]

I didn't know that. Thank you, Delta.

[Jilli]

Thanks Delta

[Delta]

no worries!
that's what i'm here for.

[plastic paul]

Exactly, throughout my whole lifetime i have always given distance in miles, height in feet and inches, drink (like milk) in pints and weight in stones and pounds, although, more recently food and drink have become metric like 1 litre or kilogram but they still put the imperial measurements on them.

[BeatlePaul]

So the "o" on the Sgt. Pepper cover is referred to "Outreau" close to Boulogne-sur-Mer.

Excellent TheDeZobificator!!!!