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Post by beldabeast on Mar 3, 2005 15:40:14 GMT
I'm wondering if the tail number of the plane involved is given as a hidden clue anywhere ?
In the US tail numbers are N-6793 , or somesuch .
The plane could have been flagged anywhere so a different system could be used .
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 4, 2005 4:10:19 GMT
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 4, 2005 4:33:02 GMT
Julia Half of what I say is meaningless* But I say it just to reach you Julia: Julia, Julia, Ocean child, calls me So I sing a song of love Julia. Julia, sea shell eyes, windy smile, calls me So I sing a song of love, Julia. Her hair of floating sky is shimmering, glimmering in the sun. Julia, Julia, morning moon, touch me So I sing a song of love Julia. When I cannot sing my heart I can only speak my mind, Julia. Julia sleeping sand, silent cloud, touch me So I sing a song of love, Julia. Hmm Hmmm Hmmm Hmmm calls me, So I sing a song of love for Julia, Julia, Julia. * The other half is meaningful (clues!) ( I think Julia is Sylvie Vartan of course, who I believe was with Paul.) Ocean references are obvious. Hey There Byrdsmaniac I pondered the possibility that Sylvie was with Paul and Brian on that fateful day in this thread, but.......with new evidence comes new possibilities.... I now believe that she was already dead and replaced and that Pauls trip to Europe was to deal with his and Sylvies child . ( some will disagree of course ) The Revolution 9 Forum has some very interesting posts on this subject... You're right though, the ocean references are obvious .... |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 4, 2005 8:39:00 GMT
Here's what makes sense to me, based on the many posts on this site: Sylvie married Johnny Halladay on April 12, 1965 because she was pregnant with David, Halladay's child, and felt she was obliged to. Telling Paul that she and he were through prior to the marraige ( described in"For No One") Paul is despondent "Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes and she's gone";"blue mist round my soul" alluding to her blue dress in "Yer Blues", his "Good Day Sunshine" inspiration had left him. Hence his gloomy appearance in "Rain". Sylvie/Lucy/Julie/Michelle, the girl with kaleidoscope eyes, the day tripper, had sung a well known song "Dilindam" about love in the rain. The Beatles' "Rain" a response. Sun/rain. It seemed it was over to all outward appearances. Paul's anger expressed in "Run For Your Life" which may have been written when he became aware of her developing relationship with Johnny. BUT then: "Suddenly someone is there at the turnstyle"(like at the airport: Think of Ross and Rachel in "Friends")"the girl with kaleidoscope eyes". She has secretly arranged to sneak away and meet Paul. ("She's leaving Home", her girlhood home where she stayed after leaving the place she shared with Johnny, leaving a note to her parents that she hoped would say more than just ' I'm OK, don't worry', because she would have liked to tell them the rest .) The plan was that they would run away from France and her marraige to Johnny, who was in the military at the time. Her real love was for Paul. They'd live in England or the USA. But first they'd hide in Russia for a while. ("Back In the USSR") (Hadn't he said he'd rather see her dead LITTLE GIRL than to be with another man? He must have loved her to say that, she felt. If she could just sneak away she could be with the man she loved. Yes, maybe he had been cruel ("Getting Better All the Time") but he had begged for forgiveness (his letters described in"Oh Darling"), so here they were at the airport, ready to go. "See how they RUN like pigs from a gun; see how they FLY". "See how they FLY like Lucy In the Sky, see how they RUN!" Meanwhile, Johnny Halladay finds out she has left him. He attempts suicide on September 10th. Then he becomes angry and is on their trail. Are his military connections part of the escape plane being shot down? "See how THEY run". I'd have to think she was alive. Unfortunately we know the rest. "I'm crying. I'm crying." says John. The "They" would be Sylvie and Paul, off to start a new life; an anonymous life, possibly with both replacements already set to go. The rest of the band knew what was going on. ("Band On The Run" ) Now that is a whole lot of well thought out reasoning and speculation there Byrdsmaniac. Right on! I have made many of the same name connections about Sylvie (Day Tripper is a Ferry ride from Dover to Calais) www.day-tripper.net/I'd have to say that because of your post, I will have to get on my handy dandy fence and wait this one out till my brain sorts it out. Maybe she did die on that plane. Or maybe she was dead the year before. Dang! This is important! Good Job man!  For No One could be about Fylvie though.....in her eyes you see nothing. The pain of finding out that your love is gone and replaced (your mind aches) I know that TKIN! has made my mind ache! ;D Like right now LOL. |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 4, 2005 9:08:17 GMT
Here's what makes sense to me, based on the many posts on this site: Sylvie married Johnny Halladay on April 12, 1965 because she was pregnant with David, Halladay's child, and felt she was obliged to. Telling Paul that she and he were through prior to the marraige ( described in"For No One") Paul is despondent "Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes and she's gone";"blue mist round my soul" alluding to her blue dress in "Yer Blues", his "Good Day Sunshine" inspiration had left him. Hence his gloomy appearance in "Rain". Sylvie/Lucy/Julie/Michelle, the girl with kaleidoscope eyes, the day tripper, had sung a well known song "Dilindam" about love in the rain. The Beatles' "Rain" a response. Sun/rain. It seemed it was over to all outward appearances. Paul's anger expressed in "Run For Your Life" which may have been written when he became aware of her developing relationship with Johnny. BUT then: "Suddenly someone is there at the turnstyle"(like at the airport: Think of Ross and Rachel in "Friends")"the girl with kaleidoscope eyes". She has secretly arranged to sneak away and meet Paul. ("She's leaving Home", her girlhood home where she stayed after leaving the place she shared with Johnny, leaving a note to her parents that she hoped would say more than just ' I'm OK, don't worry', because she would have liked to tell them the rest .) The plan was that they would run away from France and her marraige to Johnny, who was in the military at the time. Her real love was for Paul. They'd live in England or the USA. But first they'd hide in Russia for a while. ("Back In the USSR") (Hadn't he said he'd rather see her dead LITTLE GIRL than to be with another man? He must have loved her to say that, she felt. If she could just sneak away she could be with the man she loved. Yes, maybe he had been cruel ("Getting Better All the Time") but he had begged for forgiveness (his letters described in"Oh Darling","We Can Work It Out"), so here they were at the airport, ready to go. "See how they RUN like pigs from a gun; see how they FLY". "See how they FLY like Lucy In the Sky, see how they RUN!" "Flying" on MMT. That was the plan. Meanwhile, Johnny Halladay finds out she has left him. He attempts suicide on September 10th. Then he becomes angry and is on their trail. Are his military connections part of the escape plane being shot down? "See how THEY run". I'd have to think she was alive. Unfortunately we know the rest. "I'm crying. I'm crying." says John. The "They" would be Sylvie and Paul, off to start a new life; an anonymous life, possibly with both replacements already set to go. The rest of the band knew what was going on. ("Band On The Run" ) Fantastic post! Just a note: David and Nicholas were two different kids. On 1965 Sylvie was pregnant of Nicholas. Nicholas was Paul's. "TWO WIVES AND KID TO SUPPORT" tells the written in George's side during "Blue Jay Way" video. John and George protected the "little Nicola" in MMT.  Nicholas was left to Marianne Faithful. |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 4, 2005 9:14:14 GMT
Now that is a whole lot of well thought out reasoning and speculation there Byrdsmaniac. Right on! I have made many of the same name connections about Sylvie (Day Tripper is a Ferry ride from Dover to Calais) www.day-tripper.net/I'd have to say that because of your post, I will have to get on my handy dandy fence and wait this one out till my brain sorts it out. Maybe she did die on that plane. Or maybe she was dead the year before. Dang! This is important! Good Job man! For No One could be about Fylvie though.....in her eyes you see nothing. The pain of finding out that your love is gone and replaced (your mind aches) I know that TKIN! has made my mind ache! ;D Like right now LOL. Fantastic post that too! Sylvie died between December 1965 and January 1966. "Rubber Soul" is about the love between Sylvie and Paul. "Revolver" was about "the first Fylvie" The "first Fylvie" was Marisa Sannia (the original one).   An italian singer from Sardinia. |
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Post by unrepentant on Mar 6, 2005 2:39:11 GMT
that is the best theory yet!  |
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 6, 2005 5:15:22 GMT
Honestly, in spite of the potential embarrassment of finding out nobody is dead and we've been writing all the sad posts for 2 years in ignorance; I would rather that they actually be alive somewhere, together, happy, living a quiet life raising children in a sane, but remote, household.
But what do we really know? Oh, nothin'.
But, it's all be intriguing.
I feel I must buy a Sylvie Vartan greatest hits CD now.
Is there a title still available, that should be listened to, for music quality reasons (as opposed to clues)?
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 6, 2005 23:30:08 GMT
There is the last clue for you all... James Paul McCartney was sent hybernated in the space by Gemini 12 launched 11 November 1966. After being "Across The Universe" .... "With Diamonds" ... "Will Paul come back as Superman?" Check Sgt. Pepper "Inner Groove" reversed.  You had already the answer. |
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Post by gracemer on Mar 7, 2005 0:04:52 GMT
So where does Jane Asher fit in wit the Sylvie affair? Paul was with Jane when he died, otherwise why would Faul have been taking Jane around with him? Do you contend that Jane didn't know about Sylvie?
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 7, 2005 0:26:14 GMT
There is the last clue for you all... James Paul McCartney was sent hybernated in the space by Gemini 12 launched 11 November 1966. After being "Across The Universe" .... "With Diamonds" ... "Will Paul come back as Superman?" Check Sgt. Pepper "Inner Groove" reversed. You had already the answer. Shocked to see this cover---I bought this album back in 1984. Why--a "japanese" song on here similar to one I had written. (Their's is a LOT better.......at the time I was fixated on the Japanese trade imbalence with America)anyway----please elaborate. |
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Post by abbey on Mar 7, 2005 0:48:44 GMT
Gracemer, Paul was a randy guy and we all know that. He was never, ever faithful to Jane, but officially he and Jane were a couple. Paul and Jane furnished the house on Cavendish together by scouring antique shops.
Sylvie was no more than a passing skirt to Paul; he might have bedded her more than once, but she wasn't important to him. Actually, I wonder if any one girl would have been able "to tame" his roving eye.....or roving other parts ;D
The English and the French seem to have a so-called history. The English have a tendency to always refer to the French as "Frogs". There was no "political correct" worries in the 60's. A "Frog" might be a good lay, but that's all there would be to it. Love is something I really don't think Paul was really into, even with Jane. I think he was afraid to love for fear something would happen to that person........he lost his mum at age 14 remember. He loved her and she was taken away. How does that affect an early teenager?
Anyway, I just think there is too much emphasis put on someone who wasn't anymore than a short fling.
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Post by LUCY on Mar 7, 2005 1:11:52 GMT
There is the last clue for you all... James Paul McCartney was sent hybernated in the space by Gemini 12 launched 11 November 1966. After being "Across The Universe" .... "With Diamonds" ... "Will Paul come back as Superman?" Check Sgt. Pepper "Inner Groove" reversed. You had already the answer. what are you saying? |
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Post by PaulBearer on Mar 7, 2005 1:16:29 GMT
There is the last clue for you all... James Paul McCartney was sent hybernated in the space by Gemini 12 launched 11 November 1966. According to one timeline, Nov 11th was the day that the Beatles were asked about the rumours that Brian Epstein was being dumped as manager and that Allan Klein would be taking ovewr that role. Paul was unavaliable for comment because he was "overseas". He sure was - too say the least!  |
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Post by beatled on Mar 7, 2005 4:24:39 GMT
The Inner Groove is the woman singing "I never could see any other way; never could see any other way". If someone can do the reversal of that on the computer, please do. Jo Jo? I can do it with tapes, but it would be a lot of work, and I don't know how to get it onto the computer. I swear I must have it somewhere already posted. I'll find it, no time right now, but don't do all that work.. |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 7, 2005 6:02:30 GMT
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 7, 2005 7:32:16 GMT
evoorg renni:
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 7, 2005 9:31:30 GMT
Robert Palmer Looking For Clues Written by - Robert Palmer It's crazy but I'm frightened by the sound of the telephone...oh yeah I worry that the caller might have awful news...oh my Who knows these days where on earth the money goes...oh yeah No doubt we could put it to a better use...oh my You keep insisting that nobody showed you how to keep relationships...oh yeah Your daddy made a real good try...oh my You said you knew all along, we could work it out...oh yeah Do you have to make a fuss every time we fly? Ooh, I'm looking for clues I'll have to make an effort now I just to be serious...oh yeah Nobody's gonna give you the benefit of the doubt...oh my Every time I pick the paper up it's harder to believe the news...oh yeah I'm gonna have to shake it up and twist and shout...oh my You can't do nothin' that you don't put your money to...oh yeah I suspected all along you were a dream come true...oh my I'm never in the dark as my heart keeps me well informed...oh yeah I'm convinced that there's a way of gettin' through to you Ooh, I'm looking for clues It's crazy but I'm frightened by the sound of relationships...oh yeah I swear we could put it to a better use...oh my Do hurry, baby, you've forgotten how to catch a night groove...oh yeah You told all the callers you were not amused Ooh, I'm looking for clues You keep insisting that nobody showed you how to use a telephone...oh yeah Nobody's gonna give you a second chance...oh my I don’t have to make an effort now to find out where the money goes...oh yeah Do you have to make a fuss every time we dance Ooh, I'm looking for clues Do ya do ya do ya do ya Ooh...I'm looking for clues...   |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 7, 2005 21:19:50 GMT
"You never give me your money; you only give me your funny papers, and in the middle of negotiations I break down" (That's pretty close if not exact.) I'll have to listen again; it's not in the first time that song is sung, but in one of the later repetitions. Abbey Road is the timeline of events, I'm convinced. Yes. And last songs before THE END were like "latest news". |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 8, 2005 6:05:05 GMT
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 8, 2005 9:22:58 GMT
So much that we know now! We know why the cover of Magical Mystery Tour is written with stars and the lads are shown above the clouds on the border. We know what all those lyrics of "Because" on Abbey Road mean, which before sounded so silly. We know the real meaning of "I get HIGH with a little help from my friends". And we know something that's Very Strange: the meaning of "When I'm 64" which, 'til now, didn't seem to fit the pattern of being a song full of clues. Paul was born in 1942. When would he have been 64? 2006. So: " Will Paul be back? He's Superman" Call me crazy, but he'll be back when he's 64. Does this make any sense? Maybe more than you think. Beatles have been prescient before: I"ll Follow The Sun One day, you'll look, and see I've gone (yep) For tomorrow may RAIN So I'll follow the sun (think "the Son", a clue) Some day, you'll know I WAS THE ONE But tomorrow may rain So I'll follow the sun And now the time has come And so my love I MUST GO And though I lose a friend (for a while) In THE END you will KNOW (etc.) "And 'tho she feels as if she's in a play, she is anyway" "It took me years to write, will you take a look?" This certainly is one heck of a Mystery-solving Tour we're on, wouldn't you say? They were DYING to take you away. .... Your Inner Light ... |
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 8, 2005 10:01:05 GMT
Making your post his "orbit-uary." Sorry, you know how I get carried away with puns! Well, you do now, anyway. Actually, I am with you all the way up until the idea of putting him (his remains) in space. I am not saying your wrong or that's impossible. After all we've read, nearly ANYTHING is possible. So, I don't put it past the realm of possible. But, to what end, or advantage, might such a thing be to the power structure capable of doing it? Perhaps there is an end; I can't fathom it right now, though. Anyway, no critique, really, (my pun was there cause I cant pass a pun by without getting white knuckles)so, carry on with your line of thinking. Just telling you, that as of now, it is not quite in my head why it might be so........ |
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 8, 2005 15:22:49 GMT
I'm not writing anything off either....
But, to what end, or advantage, might such a thing be to the power structure capable of doing it?
I think the example of of Princess Diana might be useful here. The power structure obviously killed her off. But if you look more in depth at the situation, you'll find that they actually killed her in a ritual location of occult signifigance going back thousands of yrs.... according to their own beliefs, they killed her in a spot that enabled her to ascend and become as a goddess unto herself. So, I don't find it impossible that "THEY" killed JPM and then also made sure he ascended to the heavens.
Ah, those wacky occultists...
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 8, 2005 19:00:16 GMT
I'm not writing anything off either.... But, to what end, or advantage, might such a thing be to the power structure capable of doing it?I think the example of of Princess Diana might be useful here. The power structure obviously killed her off. But if you look more in depth at the situation, you'll find that they actually killed her in a ritual location of occult signifigance going back thousands of yrs.... according to their own beliefs, they killed her in a spot that enabled her to ascend and become as a goddess unto herself. So, I don't find it impossible that "THEY" killed JPM and then also made sure he ascended to the heavens. Ah, those wacky occultists... Those of us who have read and understood Richard Hoagland's works, know for certain that NASA and the Illuminists in general are absolutely obsessed with time and the rituals surrounding time. The root of the word Temple is temp=time.Temples are instruments for tracking the passage of time.... Why did they jettison a dead rock star into the great beyond? Why did they spend countless hours replacing and erasing the same dead rockstar? I think there's a logic to it that perhaps Alpha60 might appreciate.... Hey Bill!: Don't you know, yeah yeah, Don't you know that you are a shooting star, Don't you know, don't you know. Don't you know that you are a shooting star, And all the world will love you just as long, As long as you are.  Straight Shooter Gemini 12 Launched 11,11,1966 btw 3917 = 1973 (Year the songs were written) Album released 1975 |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 8, 2005 21:21:31 GMT
Uh, Look at that picture again! It looks like Paul is going to be picked up on one of those triangle shaped space craft! I could be mistaken but I think the picture needs to be rotated to the left(according to the description here, and then you see the pyramid; ( made of other jettisonned equipment, I believe ) the gateway of the stars... |
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