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Post by jack on Aug 21, 2003 18:39:12 GMT
I am new to this forum. I want to acquaint myself more with this issue. At this time, I am basically undecided. I have some questions that are probably answered somewhere on this site, but here goes: 1. If the real Paul is really dead, how does one account for the success of his solo career after Beatle breakup? A very talented person would have had to take his place. 2. Was not the real Paul left-handed? Is not the current Paul left-handed? 3. On Coast to Coast radio show that I heard a few nights ago, the guest was saying that Paul's GOT TO GET YOU INTO MY LIFE song was a reference to the death in 1966. I am confused here, for I cannot remember when in 1966 REVOLVER was released. I thought that song was on REVOLVER album. 4. What is real date of Paul's accident? I read in the my local paper back in Novermber, 1966 an article that said that Paul was on vacation and working on a Hayley Mills movie in November. Was the date of his accident November 9, 1966 on that early Wednesday morning, or is there another date? You can see that I have much to understand, but I would appreciate anybody who can lend me insight.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 21, 2003 20:03:02 GMT
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 22, 2003 1:14:51 GMT
1) those in charge of the coverup made sure his popularity remained.
2) the current paul is actually right handed, he just adapted to using his left hand.
3) got to get you into my life has nothing to do with paul's death. the people on coast to coast have absolutley no idea what they're talking about.
4) there was no coverup. that was all misinformation. paul was actually kidnapped. he was kidnapped on september 11th, 1966.
look at the link sun king posted, it gives the true story.
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Post by tinyelvis on Aug 22, 2003 3:05:27 GMT
that link is fiction and hearsay. Can you prove otherwise?
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 22, 2003 6:32:44 GMT
how about:
that link is truth and facts, can you prove otherwise? ;D
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Post by tinyelvis on Aug 22, 2003 7:15:59 GMT
if you want to be taken seriously you cannot just post a link to a story that does not have a clear author and after reading it comes off as someones imagination gone wild and a piece of fiction rather than historical fact. The burden of proof is not up to the reader to prove it is fiction. Useing your logic I could post a story on the net about John Lennon being a martian and when confronted about my story being fiction I retort with "it is true, can you prove it isn't?"
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Post by SunKing on Aug 22, 2003 7:24:32 GMT
Useing your logic I could post a story on the net about John Lennon being a martian and when confronted about my story being fiction I retort with "it is true, can you prove it isn't?" I am curious about. Then, please, post it! |
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 22, 2003 7:35:45 GMT
you heard the man! post this story of john lennon being a martian! ;D
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Post by jack on Aug 22, 2003 12:30:32 GMT
Thank you for the helpful replies and the learning. I had never thought about the things you say before. Did I read you rightly to say that Paul was kidnapped on September 11th as opposed to November 9th? This gets more interesting.
Let me ask this: How did people back in 1969 know to play "Revolution Number Nine" backwards to hear "Turn me on, dead man"? How did they know to play George's "Blue Jay Way" backwards? It is hard for me to imagine that people would spend time playing records backwards.
I am almost freaking out at this as I did back in 1969 when I heard the "Come Together" song and many of the clues of the other songs and albums. Let me ask this: Was Sargeant Pepper's album the first album done after Paul was taken? Or was it Revolver or another album? I want to get chronology straight on this. I had always thought that Paul looked different in the Sargeant Pepper's album pictures, but I had just thought it was due to getting older and having more facial hair. And I did not have any idea about the differences in the chin and nose or possibly height. If you look at progression of Beatles years, you will see that John looks much different in , for example, Sargeant Peppers, than he does in those early years. John looks much different (to me) in the White Album when his hair grew quite long. I am not saying this to refute what has been said, but I am just saying that Beatles looked different in later years. I know that Beatles were tired of doing the bubble gum type songs of their early years, and wanted to change their music. I still cannot get over Rubber Soul, Revolver and Sargeant Peppers.
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 22, 2003 16:13:16 GMT
Jack, have you read the FAQ? |
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Post by jack on Aug 22, 2003 17:08:51 GMT
TO: Paul, thank you for note. No, I have not read that (FAQ) yet. I am trying to get familiar with this site a bit more. I should look at that, and I thank you for calling to my attention. Thank you.
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Post by krysia on Aug 22, 2003 17:33:28 GMT
troll: we already proved ourselves. all you trolls come on here and go "oh, prove yourself, i dont have to." if you have more than half a brain, you would look at some other posts and see what we had to see. but, since you are all alike, i know your pattern already. you come on, piss all of us off, get deleted, come back, piss us off again, get banned, and still piss us off. on this forum, you are the minority, you should be proving to us why he isnt dead, not just come on here and say "oh, im right, believe me." we already have our beliefs, and its gonna take a lot for us to think otherwise. so if you have any intention of changing them, please start now and save yourself the time and troubble.
jack: welcome, and i hope you find this forum intresting at least.
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 22, 2003 17:36:16 GMT
Don't worry, he's gone. I put the word "Troll" there myself and the red bit at the bottom of his posts. This is a new way we're trying to deal with trolling - a bit of public humiliation.
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Post by jack on Aug 23, 2003 11:32:12 GMT
I read the FAQs and now I have a better understanding. Thank you, Paul.
I mean not to offend anyone with questions on these things. I apologize to any who think that I have a pattern or agenda of some kind other than to learn more. I am truly trying to learn more on this matter. I have no other agenda or pattern than that. I am not someone who is doubting the interesting and well thought out and researched documention on this forum. Mine are sincere questions that are based on an interest in these things for a number of years. I am most glad to be able to discuss these things thanks to this fine forum, for most of my acquaintances are not Beatles fans and have no interest in this matter. This is an issue that I have thought on for many years. The arguments are most fascinating, and to the note writer who suggested that one must prove that Paul isn't dead, I say that is most interesting. I have not thought of that. I am simply trying to learn and not upset anyone.
I realize that a good many of my questions are very basic 101 type, and I am sure some of these questions could be answered upon exploring this site further, and I am thinking they will be.
One of the writer's name was given as Lady Madonna. There is a line in that song that mentions "Wednesday morning's paper didn't come." I think I heard that this was another clue. But if the real Paul disappeared after September 10th or 11th, that would not be Wednesday. Therefore, I am not sure if the Lady Madonna song alludes to Paul's death or not. Would this also rule out the reference to "Wednesday morning at 5:00 when the day begins" in "She's Leaving Home"? If I recall, that song had to do with a girl leaving home, but could there be more? Thank you.
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Post by xpt626 on Aug 23, 2003 11:39:32 GMT
WELCOME, Jack!! ;D it is important to keep in mind that there is a lot of DISinformation in the PID story we've heard for so many years...the car crash, month of November, etc. I'm sure one of the members here who is knowledgeable about the writing and recording dates of songs will be along soon to answer your questions re: "Lady Madonna" and "She's Leaving Home". I am still learning myself!!  Don't ever feel uncomfortable about asking questions here! We've just had a few days of this board being a "troll magnet", LOL. ;D You'll find that the group here is very friendly and helpful. |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 23, 2003 11:44:07 GMT
One of the writer's name was given as Lady Madonna. There is a line in that song that mentions "Wednesday morning's paper didn't come." I think I heard that this was another clue. But if the real Paul disappeared after September 10th or 11th, that would not be Wednesday. Therefore, I am not sure if the Lady Madonna song alludes to Paul's death or not. Would this also rule out the reference to "Wednesday morning at 5:00 when the day begins" in "She's Leaving Home"? If I recall, that song had to do with a girl leaving home, but could there be more? Thank you. From 60IF document (please re-read MANY TIMES) "...And then the next day the police phoned to tell us that they had a girl with them confirming that and Paul had been kidnapped. Ringo was the first one to arrive where the kidnapping had taken place; the vehicles were empty. The girl told us what had happened. We began to panic. John became hysterical and we didn't know what to think or what to do. But we were able to suppress the story from the Wednesday newspapers thanks to some acquaintances of ours. " ...and... "The references that you found on the back of the cover are all correct; it is also true that the photo has been taken with the text printed on a transparent sheet as a target. George points out the last completed song sung by Paul: "She's Leaving Home". " Then... All you need is ....to read 60IF |
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Post by jack on Aug 23, 2003 11:49:25 GMT
Thank you for your words and note. I am looking forward to learning more on this matter, and really appreciate what this site is doing. I have wanted to talk about this matter for so long, and now I have found people who have an interest in this. This matter occupied a lot of my time and interest many years ago when I was young. I have not really put closure on some of these things after 30+ years (as crazy as that might sound), so I appreciate this opportunity to be a small part of this forum. I know I should have many more questions. Thank you.
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Post by jack on Aug 23, 2003 11:54:11 GMT
Wow, I really must look at 60IF. Thank you for telling me of this. I shall study this further. I had no idea. You are absolutely right. One needs to read this to get the picture. Thank you again.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 23, 2003 11:55:31 GMT
I DO LOVE posts like yours, Jack
Thank You!
Sun King
P.S. Only one note: "60IF" went before "Uberkinder site"
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Post by jack on Aug 23, 2003 18:09:24 GMT
Thank you for note. I have learned more in last couple of days than in past 30+ years on this issue. I am looking back at many of the Beatle songs that we have loved for years from late 1966 forward with a different perspective. More of it is fitting into place now. This question is probably answered somewhere on this site, but I must ask this: Does anyone know if John's song SHE SAID SHE SAID (on REVOLVER album) was written BEFORE or AFTER Paul was taken in September, 1966? I think I remember reading or hearing something about how actor Peter Fonda ties into this song. I am just learning how to operate the site a bit better. All of this computer stuff is still a bit new to me. Please bear with me. Thank you.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Aug 23, 2003 20:15:25 GMT
Hmmm REVOLVER! I think the Peter Fonda story is probably true, since he was bumming them out and they were "ready to leave." But "making me feel like I never was born" has interesting possibilities.
So does:"And though she thought I knew the answer, well I knew, but I could not say" from Abbey Road.
And of course, "Boy, you're going to carry that weight
a long time" could pertain to the weight of carrying a false identity thru life!
And has anyone mentioned that Billy Shears asking if you believe in love at first sight could be because Sgt Peppers was the first sight the public would have of him, and would they "love" him as much as they had Paul(?)
Nobody was really sure if he was from the house of PAUL
Sorry folks, it just seems so obvious sometimes, and I get carried away. We left him standing there a long long time ago.
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 23, 2003 23:03:24 GMT
revolver was made before paul died.
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Post by blah on Aug 23, 2003 23:16:03 GMT
up until a few days ago i was a complete skeptic about the PiD story, until i stumbled upon uberkinder's website, after seeing all of the pictures and hiddenmessages and whatnot, i do now believe that paul mccartney died in the fall of 66, but i do not believe that the 60IF document is real, i dont know why i just for some reason doubt that the 60IF document is genuine, you would think that if it was real it would be all over the news and it would be a big deal, and for some reason the wording of the document seems akward, it doesn't seem like it was said in a style that matches the style of george harrison, do you understand what i mean? well i was bored and i just felt like posting something soo.....
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 23, 2003 23:25:24 GMT
hey welcome, blah!
about the 60IF document, u must direct all your questions about it to sun king.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 24, 2003 1:06:27 GMT
Hmmm REVOLVER! I think the Peter Fonda story is probably true, since he was bumming them out and they were "ready to leave." But "making me feel like I never was born" has interesting possibilities. So does:"And though she thought I knew the answer, well I knew, but I could not say" from Abbey Road. And of course, "Boy, you're going to carry that weight a long time" could pertain to the weight of carrying a false identity thru life! And has anyone mentioned that Billy Shears asking if you believe in love at first sight could be because Sgt Peppers was the first sight the public would have of him, and would they "love" him as much as they had Paul(?) Nobody was really sure if he was from the house of PAUL Sorry folks, it just seems so obvious sometimes, and I get carried away. We left him standing there a long long time ago. [glow=red,2,300]That is one of the most beautiful posts I've ever read! [/glow] byrdsmaniac: [glow=red,2,300]WELCOME!!![/glow] |
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