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Post by LordChinfist on Aug 27, 2003 23:03:09 GMT
If Paul died in 1966, it does seem unlikely that they got somebody with a physical resemblence to replace him so quickly doesn't it? Maybe they found the guy from the Paul look alike contest, but they also needed someone with a similar voice and the desire to spontaneoulsy drop his prior life to be Paul without anyone noticing he was gone. They also needed that person to immediately fool anyone he came into contact with to make them believe he was Paul. It would certainly not be an easy task to fool Paul's friends and acquaintances.
Two possibilites:
1) Could it be possible then that Paul did not die from a KKK kidnapping or a car accident, but rather knew he was going to die from whatever illness he may have had. Maybe doctors told him he had 1-2 years left to live. When he and the rest of the Beatles knew he was going to die, Paul did not want to see the group end and agreed to groom an eventual replacement. Paul taught Faul everything he needed to know. How to act, how to play bass, how to write in his style, etc. Or maybe Paul wrote tons of songs the last year prior to his death, as he knew he was going to die and wanted to leave a number of songs for Faul to continue his legacy. When I hear the line "there's a shadow hanging over me" in Yesterday, I sometimes feel that that shadow is actually the death he knows is imminent.
2) Or, and not necessarily mutually exclusive from the above, could it be possible that some of the Beatles had look alikes to serve as decoys from the maniac fans? Touring certainly exhausted them. Maybe they had a lookalike fill in every now and then in concert, so that they could have a day off from the scene. Maybe they had a way of fooling the audience with the voices also (the fans were screaming so loud, maybe few would notice anyway). Maybe it was that person who already served as a lookalike to Paul that was already seasoned for the part, and it was a natural transition for him.
Just a thought.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 0:01:42 GMT
Two good hypotheses.
Please remember also:
Bill was a friend of Mal Evans (Beatles' road manager).
Mal knew Bill during 1964 Beatles North American Tour.
Bill showed Mal he was a good Beatles voices imitator.
Mal introduced Bill to Ringo.
After James Paul's death Mal and Ringo remembered about that canadian policeman guy who was able to imitate "so good" James Paul's voice....
But...why Bill had so many plastic surgery during fall 1966 all 1967 and after 1968?
If they already known about James Paul then....
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Post by Snoopy on Aug 28, 2003 5:04:40 GMT
I believe the inner circle of Paul HAD to know, there's just no way to deceive the closest of Paul's folks. I think Paul did die suddenly, because the Beatles were touring right up to the summer of 1966, and it was during the 4 month-break period where the switch was made with a good possibility, since "Paul" looked drastically different in December at the recording session for their new album. Speculating that Faul took over, he probably had about 2~3 months of time to prepare for the lifetime role. Not touring again definitely helped Faul, for he didn't have to expose himself on live stage and media outlet quite as much as if they toured. In all honesty, having a Paul look-alike within their inner circle might have been nothing short of a pure luck and a blessing, somebody up there must've wanted to listen to the Beatles a little bit longer too.
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Post by Eggman on Aug 28, 2003 12:16:53 GMT
But notice that the first round of plastic surgery was not perfect thats the reason for the suddely change of aspect in all Beatles. To cover the imperfections in Faul's face at that time  Remember, all the things happened suddely!!! |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 12:56:41 GMT
Wow! Eggman really "getting better"! |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 13:09:35 GMT
I believe the inner circle of Paul HAD to know, there's just no way to deceive the closest of Paul's folks. I think Paul did die suddenly, because the Beatles were touring right up to the summer of 1966, and it was during the 4 month-break period where the switch was made with a good possibility, since "Paul" looked drastically different in December at the recording session for their new album. Speculating that Faul took over, he probably had about 2~3 months of time to prepare for the lifetime role. Not touring again definitely helped Faul, for he didn't have to expose himself on live stage and media outlet quite as much as if they toured. In all honesty, having a Paul look-alike within their inner circle might have been nothing short of a pure luck and a blessing, somebody up there must've wanted to listen to the Beatles a little bit longer too. Just another [glow=red,2,300]MASTERPIECE!!![/glow] Congratulations, Friends! I'm very proud because I've joined such an elite of men and women! |
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Post by Eggman on Aug 28, 2003 18:30:54 GMT
Wow! Eggman really "getting better"! ...a little better all the time..... ;D |
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Post by LordChinfist on Aug 29, 2003 0:09:45 GMT
Snoopy, you're probably right. Or maybe Faul took Paul's place during the final tour while Paul was ill? Maybe not. Who knows. I think most of us will agree that extraordinary circumstances and extraordinary luck must have occured for the Beatles to pull this off and fool everyone.
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 29, 2003 5:21:28 GMT
Snoopy, you're probably right. Or maybe Faul took Paul's place during the final tour while Paul was ill? Maybe not. Who knows. I think most of us will agree that extraordinary circumstances and extraordinary luck must have occured for the Beatles to pull this off and fool everyone. Never underestimate the gullibility of the general public to believe whatever they are officially told. "But why would they lie to us?" is a subconscious mantra going round and round in most peoples' head. |
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 29, 2003 5:34:14 GMT
Mal Evans, eh? I would like to see more info on the background of this character.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 29, 2003 15:26:10 GMT
Snoopy, you're probably right. Or maybe Faul took Paul's place during the final tour while Paul was ill? Absolutely not! Please read ALL the previous posts of this forum. Expecially this one. |
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Post by onlooker on Aug 29, 2003 19:13:50 GMT
Yes, Paul-Bearer!
Even though I posted this on the thread you are pointing to, I'll reiterate:
I saw the Beatles (great view, great seats) at Candlestick Park 37 years ago TODAY!!! and Paul was most certainly the original, one and only, Paul.
I met Paul in the mid 70s and this man was certainly NOT the original, one and only, Paul. All the arguments that can be proposed to prove that Paul was not replaced in 66 will not override my own eye-witness account of this.
Thanks,
Onlooker
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Aug 29, 2003 23:03:52 GMT
Wow, Onlooker----
There is nothing so compelling than first-hand, historical evidence such as yours. Yes, today is the Candlestick Park anniversary....I would love to spend the evening wandering around the empty ball park...feeling the ghosts who would surely revisit the site of the last Beatles concert ever. Some of those ghosts...Beatles themselves. So much amazing energy was released that evening it had to make a strong psychic imprint on the place!
You were there, close, and then met Faul later...and KNEW it wasn't Paul. Very convincing. But, I was already convinced from the PHYSICAL evidence here on the site.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 30, 2003 16:13:20 GMT
Physical evidence + direct withness = legal truth.
I advice you all that's enough an inspection made by a plastic surgeon on Faul's face and body.
No finger prints no DNA analysis needed.
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Post by zeleny on Sept 2, 2003 0:59:52 GMT
Also in regards to perhaps having doubles fill in on tours, I do remember reading recently that their shows had deteriorated in 1966, and that they were stopping because of that fact. I think it was an interview with John and Faul in 1967. I'll look for the source and post when I find it.
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Post by onlooker on Sept 8, 2003 18:04:44 GMT
Ian wrote:
You were there, close, and then met Faul later...and KNEW it wasn't Paul.
Yeah, and for years afterward I couldn't find a soul who would concur with my observations. I actually thought I was either alone in believing this was not the real Paul, or I was somehow misreading the obvious signs.
Paul was second favourite Beatle; John was my first love. But after seeing the difference in the mannerisms and personality between my two encounters (at the time only 9 years apart) I couldn't reconcile the two Pauls.
It really makes sense now.
onlooker
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Post by Scatterdome on Sept 8, 2003 20:12:39 GMT
Studio records (and Uberkinder's evidence) show that "Revolver" was recorded entirely when the real Paul was still around. Yet, the lyrics of Revolver are more INTENSELY about Paul's death and cover-up than any other album! Therefore, the Beatles all knew ahead of time that he was going to "die!"
Yes, Paul did probably hire a replacement, but was it because: 1)He was sick and dying, or 2)He wanted to become a "paperback writer?"
I think it was the 2nd; if he really was sick and, tragically about to die, would they have been so cheeky and tasteless as so constantly sing about it in code on his last album? I think Paul announced his true intentions with the "Paperback Writer" single, finished Revolver as he trained "Faul," and now still ghostwrites for "Faul" occasionally.
If you think that makes sense, check out my full theory under the subject: "This might explain the switch- with Paul still alive"
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Post by beldabeast on Sept 9, 2003 12:57:54 GMT
Two good hypotheses. Please remember also: Bill was a friend of Mal Evans (Beatles' road manager). Mal knew Bill during 1964 Beatles North American Tour. Bill showed Mal he was a good Beatles voices imitator. Mal introduced Bill to Ringo. After James Paul's death Mal and Ringo remembered about that canadian policeman guy who was able to imitate "so good" James Paul's voice.... But...why Bill had so many plastic surgery during fall 1966 all 1967 and after 1968? If they already known about James Paul then.... Perhaps the agency planted Sheppard in the Beatles organization via Mal Evens , who himself could have been' turned by the agency . The head start would have been useful to learn to play the bass lefthanded, and watch paul and learn his mannerisms and pick up the accent . Just guessing here. |
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Post by FatherMackenzie on Sept 9, 2003 22:28:50 GMT
Why have all but one of Scatterdome's posts been deleted?
What happened to MrVanderbuilt? I didn't see any posts in which he was belligerent or demeaning. Was he really banned?
I am truly concerned about some of the things going on around here...
Peace
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Post by PaulBearer on Sept 10, 2003 4:57:25 GMT
Excuse me but...who said anything about MrVanderbuilt being banned? He's still listed as a member, what makes you think he's been banned?
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 10, 2003 5:19:05 GMT
yeah, and people say that we're paranoid!  |
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Post by FatherMackenzie on Sept 10, 2003 18:48:00 GMT
Gee, turns out he WAS banned, huh? Knowing he was indeed banned, why would you bother posting this, other than simply to make fun of me? In fact, aren't you a moderator? Wouldn't you know he was banned before you called me "paranoid"? I'm bewildered...   |
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Post by PaulBearer on Sept 11, 2003 4:08:12 GMT
Since we never mentioned he'd been banned, we just wondered how you knew FatherMackenzie.
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 11, 2003 7:48:51 GMT
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Post by FatherMackenzie on Sept 11, 2003 13:36:09 GMT
MrVan himself posted that he had been banned, when he posted as another person! And still with the insults? I'm astounded at the fact that you keep insulting me! Oh well...have a nice life... You just lost the help of an engineer and law student... Signed: "Paranoid Communist"...according to Number 9 P.S. Acting childishly is really not the best way to present a FACT-based case on this matter - - -keep losing allies and you'll find this whole thing degenerate into a mere "social board" for the few of you who seem to be "accepted" by the moderators...and BTW, thanks for slapping the same derogatory accusation at me that Hoover leveled on Lennon himself, Number 9... |
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