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Oct 29, 2003 13:59:07 GMT
Post by beldabeast on Oct 29, 2003 13:59:07 GMT
Need one of our resident experts to help me with handling this post . I don't really understand how the photo-animation-comparisons work and did not want to give him bad information.
The post from the BLACK VAULT SITE begins immediately below .
I'll have to agree with Rob. I don't think Paul is dead. The jawline seems the same to me - Paul is a bit chubbier in some pictures than others though.
I do, however, think the creator of the website is deliberately presenting misleading facial comparisons. In some examples he uses pictures showing different size faces, and them overlays them to show how the line of the face does not match.
Of course the facial lines do not match, as the faces are different sizes. He compares these to facial comparisons of other stars, in which he uses faces that are exactly the same size. This creates the illusion that Paul Mccartney's face is actually very different.
I will upload and link to a specific picture this has been done on if you like. I don't have a good graphics program, but it is easy to take the still frames from the overlays, resize them so the faces shown are in proportion, and then recreate the overlay animation.
You will then see that the faces match exactly.
Also, aren't some of the facial scars from a bike accident he had around the time? I don't know enough and haven't looked it up so perhaps you could let me know if this is correct, as you probably know much more about it and him than me.
From what I have read, the "Paul is Dead" conspiracy was started in '66 when a radio commentator claimed - falsely - that he had died in an accident. This fueled the rumours and I don't think the band did much to dispel them due to the good publicity it brought them at the time.
Perhaps you could tell me if Paul Mccartney has undergone any facial surgery that is known about also.
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Oct 29, 2003 14:26:41 GMT
Post by SunKing on Oct 29, 2003 14:26:41 GMT
Need one of our resident experts to help me with handling this post . Well, here I am. The comparison law is very simple: if one face component match (same vertical lenght) all the OTHER components of both faces HAVE TO MATCH. It's only a FUNDAMENTAL GEOMETRICAL LAW OF PROPORTION. "SEEMS TO ME" IS NOT A PROOF. Remeber Faul HAD (and HAS yet) to seem to James Paul. Only GEOMETRICAL MEASURAMENT are proof. IF A COMPONENT OF THE FACES MATCH ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS HAVE TO MATCH. THE ACTUAL ILLUSION IS THAT FAUL IS "STILL" JAMES PAUL PLEASE SHOW ME THAT COMPARISON THEN! AS YOU SEE THE FACES MATCH PERFECTLY! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Oct 29, 2003 14:30:47 GMT
Post by Curious on Oct 29, 2003 14:30:47 GMT
That has to be one of the most amazing animations yet, SK - a masterpiece!
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Oct 29, 2003 14:38:47 GMT
Post by innspector on Oct 29, 2003 14:38:47 GMT
IF A COMPONENT OF THE FACES MATCH ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS HAVE TO MATCH. Wow!! That Faul/Paul animation is very conclusive!!! I TOTALLY AGREE: IT'S A MATTER OF GEOMETRY. I'VE STUDIED HUMAN FIGURE AND PROPORTIONS IN COLLEGE, AND THAT IS A WAY OF COMPARING FACES: IF A COMPONENT OF THE FACES MATCH, ALL THE OTHER SHOULD MATCH. His eyes come closer for God sakes!!!!!
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Oct 29, 2003 16:49:08 GMT
Post by beldabeast on Oct 29, 2003 16:49:08 GMT
Sun King , VERY well done ! I sent your reply with the graphics to the poster on the black vault web site.
Just to clear things up , that post was by a member of that board , not me. I needed some help with the explanation . Again , very well done !
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Oct 29, 2003 16:50:13 GMT
Post by peggysue on Oct 29, 2003 16:50:13 GMT
The people at the Black Vault board, at least the ones Belda spoke with, seem so violently against the idea of Faul - it's like they're screwing their eyes shut and plugging their ears going "lalala I can't hear you!" If this were any other situation, it would be almost comical. And then there' s the supposed pecking order over there - according to some of the members, if a new person registers, they must kiss the a** of the people who had been there longer. This "MIB" character, who claims to be Belgian or something, sounds more like a trash-talking, snot-nosed thirteen-year-old. People worship him there, apparently. Go figure. All these people read is "Paul really is dead" and their minds automatically shift into defense mode, because accepting such a reality seems to be too much for them. It's amazing that they can discuss martians and pod people, but they immediately scoff at the idea of a government conspiracy as relatively simple as this. Belda was instantly barraged with insults after having made only one post. It depresses me. If Belda had gone on and started talking about Purple People Eaters and kissing MIB's butt, there wouldn't have been a problem. But instead he presented a realistic scenario backed with excellent evidence and he's laughed at, ridiculed and told to "stop posting." Drives me nuts.
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Oct 29, 2003 17:06:56 GMT
Post by beldabeast on Oct 29, 2003 17:06:56 GMT
The people at the Black Vault board, at least the ones Belda spoke with, seem so violently against the idea of Faul - it's like they're screwing their eyes shut and plugging their ears going "lalala I can't hear you!" If this were any other situation, it would be almost comical. And then there' s the supposed pecking order over there - according to some of the members, if a new person registers, they must kiss the a** of the people who had been there longer. This "MIB" character, who claims to be Belgian or something, sounds more like a trash-talking, snot-nosed thirteen-year-old. People worship him there, apparently. Go figure. All these people read is "Paul really is dead" and their minds automatically shift into defense mode, because accepting such a reality seems to be too much for them. It's amazing that they can discuss martians and pod people, but they immediately scoff at the idea of a government conspiracy as relatively simple as this. Belda was instantly barraged with insults after having made only one post. It depresses me. If Belda had gone on and started talking about Purple People Eaters and kissing MIB's butt, there wouldn't have been a problem. But instead he presented a realistic scenario backed with excellent evidence and he's laughed at, ridiculed and told to "stop posting." Drives me nuts. Thank You , Peggy Sue ! I expected the flames . What I did not expect were the amount of hits on the thread . Which is what I look at more . People are interested in the topic , or it wouldnt have gotten 600 hits in a week . I am encouraged by the response , and I am not concerned by the flames . One of the flamers seems to be coming around , as a matter of fact . The post has been more successful than I dared hope. The BV is a watering hole for people interested in such topics . Thanks for the vote!
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Oct 29, 2003 18:08:12 GMT
Post by Karma76 on Oct 29, 2003 18:08:12 GMT
Beldabeast what did they say about the new graphic
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Oct 29, 2003 18:14:56 GMT
Post by beldabeast on Oct 29, 2003 18:14:56 GMT
Beldabeast what did they say about the new graphic One guy is trying to shoot it down. He says when he gets home from work he will upload a program or something and show the two pics to be the same guy. I think he is fair minded as he doesnt get hysterical as the others did. HMMMM....Idiot that I am I never posted a link to the BV board , did I ? I will BRB with a link . I will start a new thread under this category.
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Oct 30, 2003 4:28:35 GMT
Post by JoJo on Oct 30, 2003 4:28:35 GMT
One thing that has been helpful to me is downloading the animated gifs and looking at them slowly frame by frame. For my Mac, I use Animation Maker. The animations when played back in the browser do go by kind of fast, this way you can see in the one above how nothing lines up; the second frame especially. tried this with The M Jackson one that SK posted, and sure enough, MJ didn't change in the sense that it shows he has the same eyes bone structure, etc. Again, it's easier to see frame by frame. Ayone with their own pictures may and should do some of their own animations, why not, if it helps you see it more clearly.
If hundreds of posts were the response at this Black Vault place, then you must have the "full timers" on alert now. These are the people whose job it is to monitor the internet for "trouble". Look for debunks that appear within 1 or 2 minutes, are relentless in their sheer volume, who has time for that unless it's a full time job? Flood and bury, that's the way...
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Oct 30, 2003 4:54:06 GMT
Post by joejoe on Oct 30, 2003 4:54:06 GMT
JoJo, Thanks for info about animation maker. It works well, and does help in making comparisons
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Nov 3, 2003 4:21:27 GMT
Post by peoplepeople on Nov 3, 2003 4:21:27 GMT
What's the link to the black vault site?
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Nov 3, 2003 4:23:11 GMT
Post by peoplepeople on Nov 3, 2003 4:23:11 GMT
The reason being is because I wanna read about the guy who's going to show that it is the same person and all the other responses.
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Nov 3, 2003 4:29:50 GMT
Post by peoplepeople on Nov 3, 2003 4:29:50 GMT
When I say link, I mean a link to that specific post in particular, not the site in general.
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Nov 3, 2003 16:46:17 GMT
Post by beldabeast on Nov 3, 2003 16:46:17 GMT
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Nov 5, 2003 6:32:10 GMT
Post by IanSingleton777 on Nov 5, 2003 6:32:10 GMT
SUNNY THE KING! That new graphic is awesome...maybe I"M amazed as the nose changes 100% The eye distance travels and closes...the jaw line melts like butter globs....etc. Please all be advised the black vault is run by a very young teenager. Don't stroke out over them! I had to chuckle when the black vault post said, "the faces are different shapes.." DUH! no kidding....
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