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Post by kungfuinstructor on Nov 2, 2003 23:42:36 GMT
 As a new member of this forum, I should state that I am by no means an expert on the deaths of Paul and Brian, but I've done my fair share of studying of the Illuminati and the New World Order, and after reading up on the latest developments in the PID subject, I've decided to post my personal take on the matter. I should first make it clear that I am definitely of the opinion that James Paul McCartney died in 1966, and was replaced by Faul. My compliments to Uberkinder and others for their diligent research into this tragic story. I would also like to state that I believe that the 60IF document contains much truth, in my opinion. There are certain data elements within that document that I would like to contest, however, and I would also like to offer my own conclusions in their stead...for the consideration of the good readers of this post, that is. Background on the Kung Fu Instructor When I first heard the rumours about the death of Paul (I believe it was 1969, and I was in the 5th grade) I immediately became a believer. In time, though, I adopted the conventional 'wisdom' that the whole affair was a publicity stunt. In other words, I caved in to pressures of mass mind control. Over the next two decades, I lived a fairly typical life in this world, and went with the flow. Every now and then I would pick up on certain inconsistencies within the 'matrix' that the world lives in, but never looked too deeply. That changed in 1995. I began to wake up from my worldly stupor and began a personal investigation into the subject of the Illuminati and the New World Order. I started reading books on the subject, then moved on to underground shortwave radio broadcasts, and the Internet. Ok, I will cut to the chase. It is my belief that at some time during the early to mid-1960s, the Beatles were identified by the Tavistock Institute in England to be a suitable 'engine' for the deconstruction of Western culture, thus preparing the way for the New World Order. The band was enormously popular worldwide, and their longish hair, a somewhat radical thing at the time, fit in well with the Institute's idea of deconstructionism. At this time, the band was approached by the Institute with a proposal. The essence of the proposal was that the Beatles were to advocate the use of drugs in the lyrics of their songs. Perhaps include more sexual innuendo as well. That is all. In exchange for compliance with the proposal, the band members and their manager would receive a pay-off. The carrot. Oh, and by the way, the Institute said, when (!) you agree to this, we will control your touring schedule and musical production. Brian opposed the idea, because he did not want to lose control of the band. Paul opposed the idea as well, as he was not interested in losing creative control (on his own behalf, that is) nor was he interested in the new agenda for the lyrics. It is possible, in my mind, that Brian and Paul were the only ones who were approached by Tavistock. The others may have been kept in the dark. After word was received by the Institute that Brian and Paul were not interested in the proposal, they were whacked. One does not disobey a direct order from the Illuminati. I do not believe the story that the Rolling Stones were involved in the abduction and deaths of Brian and Paul. Such an operation did not lie within their core competencies. This bit of disinformation may have been manufactured by the Institute for the consumption of the remaining members of the band. They were only in their mid-twenties, afterall, and were probably somewhat gullible. I do not believe that Paul died from his reported illness (assuming there was any). This bit of disinformation was communicated to the remaining band members so that they would be less outraged, and less likely to go public with the story. Both Brian and Paul were executed by intelligence agency operatives under the direction of the Institute. It was a hostile takeover of the Beatles. Enter Faul. The Institute lubricated the deal even further with more money, in exchange for a promise from the remaining band members and other interested parties (friends, families, etc.) not to tell. Everyone was paid off with millions of pounds. Money is absolutely no object for the Illuminati. Over the years, John became more and more depressed and suspicious about the whole affair, and began to investigate the matter on his own. The Institute pointed him in the direction of the KKK. Warnings may have been whispered to everyone involved by this time. You talk, and something will happen to you or your loved ones. The stick. But we all know how intelligent and rebellious John was. He found out something. Some evidence pointing to the Institute. He was going to talk. So he was whacked, this time by a Cuban CIA agent. MI6 makes a phone call to New York...consider it done.
Somehow, Tavistock got wind that George was up to something. He knew he was dying. They tried to whack him, but the MK Ultra operative failed in his objective. They must have used Jason Bourne, no?
It is possible that George believed either the Rolling Stones idea or the KKK idea, right up until his death. Alternatively, since he and his family may have received warnings already from individuals connected to the Institute, he may have decided on releasing a half-true, half-false 60IF document, reckoning that transmitting some truth to the world was better than none. Did this strategy protect his loved ones?
You talk, you die. Do not expect the WHOLE story to come from the mouths of William Sheppard, or Ringo Starr, or the families of the band members of the Beatles. You never know, though. We may continue to receive bits and pieces of the truth from those involved in the future.
A sad state of affairs. A sad state indeed.
P.S. By the way, we may multiply this situation against many rock stars. Last time I checked, there is a mighty fine rock 'n roll band playing in Heaven.
DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER!
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Nov 3, 2003 3:14:46 GMT
Read with interest your speculative outline, and now shall reply with reactions to the speculation:
Tavistock Institute 'hostile takeover' of Beatles is a whiff of intrigue about 27 years old or more. Why would they identify The Beatles as the medium to "deconstruct western civilization?" The American CIA and Army had already invented LSD...that in of itself would be the template for not deconstruction, as Illuminati figured, but CONSCIOUSNESS FREEDOM! The ol' Trojan horse principle. Besides, up until '67 The Fabs were comfortably esconced in benign accepted social mores, suit and ties and all that.
Your dismissal of Sean Lennon's suspicions concerning the harbingers of John's death are merely opinion; I disagree. It is historical accepted fact that because of his political liberalism and worldwide popularity and influential status, Lennon was indeed branded an ENEMY OF THE STATE by the U.S. Government. That in and of itself is the death knell...just ask JFK et.al.
I find no logic in George releasing a "half-lie, half-true" statement as you refer to 60IF as. The guy was DYING immenently; what would he care about further misleading anyone?
Your post was nice, but not factual, just opinion which is cool too. Illuminati, CIA, NWO,FBI, IRA, MI6, it is all the same; leading down the same road. Their names and titles are meaningless and interchangeable.
Modern mankind is complacent and apathetic and thick. We shall all pay the price.
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Post by PaulBearer on Nov 3, 2003 3:21:41 GMT
Welcome to these forums KFI. Your thoughts are welcome.
Paul was poisoned in late 64 which gave him his condition. Was that the first attempt on his life after he said something wrong?
It's quite possible, that in order to execute Paul, all they had to do was deprive him of his medication and abandon him. So the kidnappers may have known about his condition. The kidnappers were MIB, not men in white (the KKK dress) so...
Who is Jason Bourne?
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Post by kungfuinstructor on Nov 3, 2003 6:23:10 GMT
Attention Ian! Thank you for your reply to my post. Yes, due to limitations of time, I must resort to submitting opinions rather than detailed evidence. Nevertheless, I shall endeavor to answer your points. (1.) The Tavistock Institute has been in operation from the early 20th Century to this day. Their programme involving the Beatles is just one of many operations they have conducted to deconstruct Western civilisation, albeit an important one. Remember, inventing LSD was only one step for the Illuminati. Introducing LSD to the world required a high-profile messenger; the Beatles were perfectly suited to the task, due to their immensely popular following among the world's youth. They helped take the world from point A to point B. The radical change in the appearance and behavior of the Beatles, and the 60's generation overall, was a result of a highly successful societal change programme of the Illuminati. (2.) I hope that I did not sound dismissive of Sean Lennon's opinion about the causes behind the assassination of his father; in fact, I believe that his analysis is highly plausible. However, John Lennon was well-known for his views about world peace for many years. The way my mind works, one must look for a catalyst; a sudden change, to cause the Tavistock Institute to order his death. If we look at the assassination of JFK, for example, he was taken out by intelligence agency operatives within weeks of his introduction of the U.S. Treasury notes, and his speech at Columbia University. I believe that John Lennon was about to hold a press conference about the rôle that the Beatles played in the Tavistock Institute's programme, as well as the murder of Brian and Paul by intelligence agency operatives. I also agree with the idea that Yoko informed on him. (3.) My reasons for speculating on why George would transmit a document that is only partially true are as follows: (a.) He may not have known the whole story; (b.) He was dying, but his family needed to be protected from danger. (4.) As a courtesy to other readers of this post, I would like to qualify your comments regarding the Illuminati, NWO, IRA, and the intelligence agencies. The Illuminati is the centralised power structure at the top of the hierarchy, the goal of which is the imposition of a world government (the New World Order). The intelligence agencies of the world (MI6, CIA, FBI, KGB, GRU, etc.) are organs of the Illuminati, about two tiers down. The IRA's leadership is controlled by the Illuminati (as are all revolutionary organisations); that is why nothing really changes in a revolution. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." The old puppets are replaced by new ones. This is why the term 'revolution' is used, get it? Cheerio!
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Post by kungfuinstructor on Nov 3, 2003 6:46:11 GMT
Attention Paul! Thank you for your kind welcome, monsieur! Your comment about the poisoning of Paul McCartney is most intriguing. IF this was a failed assassination attempt, it would mean to me that the Beatles were beginning to be co-opted as early as 1964. Or even earlier. Regarding the issue of deprivation of medicine in the death of Paul McCartney, I stand by my already-stated position. Once the order to abduct Brian and Paul was given, their fate was sealed. It all boils down to the method of their executions. I find it illogical to shoot one, and withhold medication (without guarantees of death) for the other. I tend to lean towards the idea that they were executed via lethal injection. Of course, in light of the cover-up of Paul's death, he could have been knifed for all I know. Attention All! The KKK is an Illuminati-controlled organisation. It was INVENTED by the Southern Jurisdiction of Freemasonry in the U.S.A. during the 19th Century. And I do not believe they were involved in the murders of Brian, Paul, or John. Assassination on a sophisticated level is not within their core competencies! Who is Jason Bourne, you ask? Please refer to the books by Robert Ludlum ("The Bourne Identity", "The Bourne Supremacy", and "The Bourne Ultimatum") and the movies starring Matt Damon (one has been released, and the second begins filming next month). The Jason Bourne character was a CIA-trained assassin, who hesitated before pulling the trigger. His programming failed. "Cain is for Charlie, and Delta is for Cain!" 
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Post by SgtPepper on Nov 3, 2003 7:26:47 GMT
Well, KF - Confucius say "to him with a hammer, everything looks like a nail" - or something like that ;D
I am (as I mentioned elsewhere) a casual Beatles fan - but maybe it's good for you to hear from a person such as me. I like their music, but neither it nor their "style" change much what I decide to do. I was only a little kid when they quit as a group, and I admit I had pretty long hair during the 70's - you were considered weird if you didn't. Thus I can't say a thing from personal experience how influential the Beatles and other rock bands were during the 60's.
Yet what I am trying to say is that in the U.S. there's a quite sizable part of the population that doesn't care about the Beatles (nor even much about other rock bands). Country music is still quite big here, and even the rock bands which have been most successful (I think the Eagles Greatest Hits is the highest selling album of all time) have at least a country tinge to some of their songs. Yes, alot of kids still like heavy metal - but even for them the Beatles are okay but too mellow.
Thus any argument that this was all designed to deconstruct American culture - especially with only one band (or the Beatles as a primary one - do you really think rock & roll would ultimately be so much different without them?) - has to consider how many of the people and how much of the society this did not have a great affect on.
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Post by SunKing on Nov 3, 2003 12:25:05 GMT
Kung Fu Instructor: [glow=red,2,300]WELCOME!!![/glow] Congratulations, really. What you have said is 90% ALL TRUE! What is the 10% left? James Paul McCartney was REALLY poisoned in fall 1964.
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Post by SgtPepper on Nov 3, 2003 15:59:59 GMT
Kung Fu Instructor: [glow=red,2,300]WELCOME!!![/glow] Congratulations, really. What you have said is 90% ALL TRUE! What is the 10% left? James Paul McCartney was REALLY poisoned in fall 1964. Yeah - it is discussed elsewhere he was poisoned, though I'm not sure why. You have more information than any of us, so if you say he's 90 % right I believe you. Yet if this were an attempt of the Tavistock Institute to deconstruct American society, it seems to me to be a largely failed one. After the counterculture movement has basically worn off, things to me don't seem much different. People can point to the rock & drug culture, but you can also point to Elvis and say here's an American (and a Jew) with conservative values who doesn't do drugs nor pushes the counterculture movement nor or likes it. I am aware that he was a drug addict of the highest order, but he kept everything legal even if he had to go to great lengths and use all sorts of convoluted reasoning to convince himself he "wasn't doing drugs". He went to the military with no objection, and the private was made the king (but we aren't supposed to identify much with titles of royalty - a major point of our society is getting away from that sort of thing  . Like many bands and artists, phrases from his songs and things associated with him became mottos and icons of everyday life - but in the U.S., probably more so for him than any other. Maybe the Beatles in England. So though this may be true, there would also be opposing groups. Maybe all these secret societies are having their proverbial flame war on the message board of life ;D If so though, it is unfortunate there are some real casualties  |
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Post by kungfuinstructor on Nov 3, 2003 18:05:43 GMT
Attention SgtPepper! Thank you for your analysis. I would like to take this opportunity to 'illuminate' things a bit further for you, if that is alright. We must remember what I said in one of my posts; that the Tavistock Institute's Beatles programme was one of MANY operations from the 20th Century to deconstruct Western civilisation. (One of the most important, I might add.) (1.) Please note that I said 'Western' civilisation, not 'American' civilisation. American civilisation is a key component thereof, but by no means does it represent the entire West. (2.) The rôle played in deconstruction of society by Elvis Presley was prior to, and complimentary to the Beatles programme, not contradictory. Regarding Elvis, I have no claims to make at present regarding Tavistock influence or control of this man; however, his huge success in introducing sexual innuendo and African rhythms (in contrast to sophisticated European-based classical music) to the world, set the stage for the next step in deconstruction - the promotion of drugs in the popular culture. Jazz music also played a role in deconstruction of society. Yes, it sounds quite sophisticated compared to today's foul rap and heavy metal music, but when compared to Mozart and Tchaikovsky, its purpose is clear. The Tavistock Institute has been busy over the past century. Very busy indeed! Here is a metaphor, which I hope will illustrate the point for you. Drink a glass of rotgut vodka. The kind you might find in a hellhole in Siberia. You will gag on this 'rap' vodka. Then drink a glass of Stolichnaya. Mmmm, pretty good! This is jazz. Then drink Crystall vodka. Rachmaninoff! The Stoli tastes like gasoline in comparison; get it? (3.) Yes, yes, Amerikans love their country music. But if you mean to say that the Beatles had little impact on Amerikan culture (or Amerikan musicians, for that matter), I would ask you to reconsider your thesis. Or, better yet, why not ask Messrs. Henley or Walsh which rock bands influenced them the most during their formative years? The Beatles continue to have a profound influence on the world's culture to this day, both directly and INDIRECTLY. The Tavistock Institute's return on investment is infinite, in their calculations!
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Post by kungfuinstructor on Nov 3, 2003 18:18:20 GMT
 Attention Sun King! Thank you very much for the splendid welcome! I truly appreciate it. Please be advised that I am on-board with the idea that Paul was poisoned in 1964, and eagerly look forward to reading further evidence of this issue (above and beyond his Doctor's affidavit). I am wondering if anyone may be able to discuss the matter of what kind of poison would lead to an extremely severe condition of IBS. Also, would such a poison normally result in death? Recognizing, of course, that such a severe condition would remove most people from an active career, was that the intent? Or was the intent to assassinate Paul McCartney from the outset? 
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Post by beldabeast on Nov 3, 2003 18:29:43 GMT
As a new member of this forum, I should state that I am by no means an expert on the deaths of Paul and Brian, but I've done my fair share of studying of the Illuminati and the New World Order, and after reading up on the latest developments in the PID subject, I've decided to post my personal take on the matter. I should first make it clear that I am definitely of the opinion that James Paul McCartney died in 1966, and was replaced by Faul. My compliments to Uberkinder and others for their diligent research into this tragic story. I would also like to state that I believe that the 60IF document contains much truth, in my opinion. There are certain data elements within that document that I would like to contest, however, and I would also like to offer my own conclusions in their stead...for the consideration of the good readers of this post, that is. Background on the Kung Fu Instructor When I first heard the rumours about the death of Paul (I believe it was 1969, and I was in the 5th grade) I immediately became a believer. In time, though, I adopted the conventional 'wisdom' that the whole affair was a publicity stunt. In other words, I caved in to pressures of mass mind control. Over the next two decades, I lived a fairly typical life in this world, and went with the flow. Every now and then I would pick up on certain inconsistencies within the 'matrix' that the world lives in, but never looked too deeply. That changed in 1995. I began to wake up from my worldly stupor and began a personal investigation into the subject of the Illuminati and the New World Order. I started reading books on the subject, then moved on to underground shortwave radio broadcasts, and the Internet. Ok, I will cut to the chase. It is my belief that at some time during the early to mid-1960s, the Beatles were identified by the Tavistock Institute in England to be a suitable 'engine' for the deconstruction of Western culture, thus preparing the way for the New World Order. The band was enormously popular worldwide, and their longish hair, a somewhat radical thing at the time, fit in well with the Institute's idea of deconstructionism. At this time, the band was approached by the Institute with a proposal. The essence of the proposal was that the Beatles were to advocate the use of drugs in the lyrics of their songs. Perhaps include more sexual innuendo as well. That is all. In exchange for compliance with the proposal, the band members and their manager would receive a pay-off. The carrot. Oh, and by the way, the Institute said, when (!) you agree to this, we will control your touring schedule and musical production. Brian opposed the idea, because he did not want to lose control of the band. Paul opposed the idea as well, as he was not interested in losing creative control (on his own behalf, that is) nor was he interested in the new agenda for the lyrics. It is possible, in my mind, that Brian and Paul were the only ones who were approached by Tavistock. The others may have been kept in the dark. After word was received by the Institute that Brian and Paul were not interested in the proposal, they were whacked. One does not disobey a direct order from the Illuminati. I do not believe the story that the Rolling Stones were involved in the abduction and deaths of Brian and Paul. Such an operation did not lie within their core competencies. This bit of disinformation may have been manufactured by the Institute for the consumption of the remaining members of the band. They were only in their mid-twenties, afterall, and were probably somewhat gullible. I do not believe that Paul died from his reported illness (assuming there was any). This bit of disinformation was communicated to the remaining band members so that they would be less outraged, and less likely to go public with the story. Both Brian and Paul were executed by intelligence agency operatives under the direction of the Institute. It was a hostile takeover of the Beatles. Enter Faul. The Institute lubricated the deal even further with more money, in exchange for a promise from the remaining band members and other interested parties (friends, families, etc.) not to tell. Everyone was paid off with millions of pounds. Money is absolutely no object for the Illuminati. Over the years, John became more and more depressed and suspicious about the whole affair, and began to investigate the matter on his own. The Institute pointed him in the direction of the KKK. Warnings may have been whispered to everyone involved by this time. You talk, and something will happen to you or your loved ones. The stick. But we all know how intelligent and rebellious John was. He found out something. Some evidence pointing to the Institute. He was going to talk. So he was whacked, this time by a Cuban CIA agent. MI6 makes a phone call to New York...consider it done.
Somehow, Tavistock got wind that George was up to something. He knew he was dying. They tried to whack him, but the MK Ultra operative failed in his objective. They must have used Jason Bourne, no?
It is possible that George believed either the Rolling Stones idea or the KKK idea, right up until his death. Alternatively, since he and his family may have received warnings already from individuals connected to the Institute, he may have decided on releasing a half-true, half-false 60IF document, reckoning that transmitting some truth to the world was better than none. Did this strategy protect his loved ones?
You talk, you die. Do not expect the WHOLE story to come from the mouths of William Sheppard, or Ringo Starr, or the families of the band members of the Beatles. You never know, though. We may continue to receive bits and pieces of the truth from those involved in the future.
A sad state of affairs. A sad state indeed.
P.S. By the way, we may multiply this situation against many rock stars. Last time I checked, there is a mighty fine rock 'n roll band playing in Heaven.
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Post by kungfuinstructor on Nov 3, 2003 18:38:29 GMT
No worries, mate!
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Nov 3, 2003 22:08:02 GMT
Attention: KFI
I can buy the theory about George wanting to shield his remaining family from fallout of full disclosure. I find the notion that, as one of The Beatles, he was not privvy to the 'whole story' very hard to swallow. John & George were very close, especially throughout the period which wrought FAUL, therefore I think George knew whatever John knew.
The fact...yes, FACT that John abruptly wanted to end the band emerged at about the same time also that Paul was killed, and FAUL was integrated. I'm referring to the late 1966 period.
The fact that to actually experience LSD results in heightened insight and perception, long after the drug has worn off, i.e. to more readily decipher sh*t from shinola seems to debunk, for me, the notion that the dreaded lysergic was the golden key to deconstructing societies...in other words, it would in effect equip the initiated to perceive socio/political/cultural/media manipulation easier. Therefore debasing the whole "masterplan." I find that the real crux to deconstruct (or, conversely, bolster) ANYTHING in this world would be of a primarily FINANCIAL/WORLD BANKING nature. It truly is all about the money.
I personally am of the opinion that the sudden catalyst of the murder of John Lennon was his full-tilt emergence back into the public world in late 1980. I am of the opinion that after he was branded an ENEMY OF THE STATE by the Nixon Administration, and won his hard-fought battle to become an American citizen, the implicit, tacit message was to "lay low and keep quiet" and all would be well. He decided after 5 years of self-imposed exile enough was enough. He was then dispatched in much the same manner as Bobby Kennedy was after winning the California primary in 1968.
Personally, despite Sun King's 90% nod to you, I found a tinge of smugness in your posts which was a bit distasteful. It all is, in the final analysis, still of a speculative discourse and at least I readily admit to such.
I don't think any of us really knows even 20% of the true, full story. I do think the 'Truth' will turn out to be more bizarre than any fiction we could conjure... get it?
Cheerios! ;D
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Post by kungfuinstructor on Nov 4, 2003 1:27:56 GMT
 Attention Monsieur Singleton! Please do not limit your interpretation of the LSD issue to the effects of this drug, and how it fits specifically into societal deconstructionism. The important point to keep in mind is that, in my opinion, the Tavistock Institute's agenda was the promotion of drug usage in general, not LSD in particular. Monsieur, have you 'googled' Tavistock Institute yet? Remember, financial gain is ALWAYS secondary in importance to the Illuminati. The political and religious agendas are primary in importance, by far. The cultural degeneration that now exists throughout the world (Amerika leads the world in this sphere) is necessary before a dictatorial world government is implemented. A moral population will resist tyranny; an immoral one will not. Your position that John Lennon was whacked because of his peaceful views has been duly noted, catalogued, and collated in my files! Shall we flip a coin, then? No, I didn't think so (ha ha). By the way, are you aware of the FEMA Red List/Blue List/Green List that is now in effect in Amerika? There are thousands and thousands of Amerikan 'enemies of the state' encoded in these lists. Why not google this subject, monsieur? You may need a glass of cognac to deal with the horror of it all, though. I bring this up because being an enemy of the Amerikan state is quite fashionable these days, judging by the numbers. Why pick on poor John, then? My apologies, monsieur, if you are annoyed by my presentation method! No offense is intended! It is better to focus on ideas and facts, rather than personalities, yes? Cheerio!
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Post by SgtPepper on Nov 4, 2003 4:34:58 GMT
Count Chocula Count Chocula Count Chocula Count Chocula I Count-ed 4 of them ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by SgtPepper on Nov 4, 2003 5:03:03 GMT
Attention SgtPepper! Thank you for your analysis. I would like to take this opportunity to 'illuminate' things a bit further for you, if that is alright.[/qoute] Thank you for your also - interesting if nothing else. My mistake (I am usually the one who's picky about this sort of thing). Though that makes me wonder what the objective of the Institute would be. Are they not "western" then? Would they seek a world order which could be considered non-western? Well, it aint Peter Gabriel (e.g., Security), but yes I think it was Col. Parker? who said if he cold find a white who sounded like a black, he'd be a millionaire - or some such thing. So Col. Parker, Sgt. Pepper, and PFC Presley - looks like I'm outranked here I see your point regarding this - no need for the metaphor. Yet I wonder how much of all of this didn't just happen as opposed to being planned. Thus my comment, to the person with a hammer... The board is filled with people who love the Beatles and are apt to search for conspiracies (nails). I ask myself how rock & roll developed. The basic instruments - guitars & drums and some keyboards - were around for a long time. What wasn't though was good amplification and other sound considerations. Yes a fab 4 could've theoretically taken their guitars & drums into an acoustically sound concert hall during the 17 or 1800's, people could've sat there quietly (i.e., no girls allowed , and listened to their concerto - but it never happened. The transistor was invented during 1947, which greatly improved amplification. This was soon after WW2, after which time a more favorable impression was afforded to Jew (for obvious reasons). Many of the song writers during the early days of rock & roll were Jews - though not so much the performers (actually, they wrote alot of their songs for negroes). They seemed to have a talent for composing this new sound. So IMO the conditions were right for a new sound - in no small part simply because they advanced technology made it possible. Now we can store music on PC's, edit it there, etc. - the possibilities are endless - an ordinary person can do more than an early recording studio probably. New instruments, new technology, new ideas, new sound. Not necessarily any agendas. Or so I see it. Though there could be  I never actually read who their greatest influences were, though it certainly wouldn't surprise me. Even for many of the people who top the charts today - they say their favorite pop songs are Beatles tunes. Yet I wonder to what extent that contributes to their 'success". Say you hate the Beatles and it probably won't get you far. Well, everyone "hates Paul McCartney" - but people are only now beginning to realize in significant numbers that they weren't really hating him, they hate me ;D |
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Post by SgtPepper on Nov 4, 2003 5:04:45 GMT
Note my response interspersed in your quote for items 1 & 2 above.
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Post by kungfuinstructor on Nov 4, 2003 5:49:12 GMT
Hello SgtPepper! Thank you for your analysis. The reason why I stated that the Tavistock Institute used the Beatles to play a major role in the deconstruction of Western civilisation is because the Beatles were really only suitable for serving as a messenger for the drug culture in the Westernized countries in Europe, the Americas, Australia, and certain parts of Asia. The Beatles were categorized as decadent and banned in the Communist bloc, and the Third World presented other barriers. The Illuminati has utilised other strategies to control those areas of the world. You asked if the Illuminati is 'Westernized'. The answer is no; it has a global perspective. It is true, however, that the major bloodlines of the Illuminati exclude the peoples of the Third World. It is said that music has a special appeal to the young. By exploiting this phenomenon, the Illuminati has succeeded in subverting successive generations in the Western world throughout the last eighty years. The fact that guitars and drums seem to be more effective for this purpose than trumpets and clarinets is a subject that lies outside of my core competencies! So, was Elvis Presley controlled by the Tavistock Institute? You mentioned 'Colonel' Parker, a noted control freak. Just who controlled the Colonel? 
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Post by SgtPepper on Nov 4, 2003 6:16:57 GMT
You're welcome KFI. That was a rather sloppy post from me actually - though of course including some of my typical humor I learn bits and pieces about some of these people - put them out here figuring some of you might not've heard them - though I did not delve into them much. This regards the artists other than the Beatles & John Denver I talk about here ;D - I know more than a little about them and a few others. So regarding Col. Parker, the word I got is he had a bad gambling problem. This is what - if anything controlled him - or more so I think what he couldn't control. He'd gamble away all his money via Elvis in Las Vegas and more - then Elvis would have to do shows night after night - sometimes more than one - which made the drug problem worse. Again, I certainly don't look for conspiracies, but I don't see any there. Nor do I about JD's plane crash. I made a joke about it in another thread, but that was to make a point about 9/11. So I am not a conspiracy seeker per se - but the evidence for PID is compelling and something I suspected for a long time. |
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Post by beldabeast on Nov 4, 2003 15:10:15 GMT
I am going to do some very general scattershooting here .
Even as a high school student in the late 60's I
noticed the young doing things that I don't think they would have done of their own volition . For instance ,
I once saw a group of college guys holding hands with a circle of other students and doing that ring -around the- rosies bit , WITH FLOWERS STUCK IN THEIR HAIR !
I remember watching this on TV and thinking that there was NO WAY I would allow myself to be seen doing that !
There was the wacky clothes , which I mainly saw only on the news and in newspapers . The Nehru jackets and the capes and the loud clashing colored shirts and pants with the ruffled sleeves and the love beads , etc , etc .
I never saw that in real life . I live in Texas , the heartland . The counter-culture types around here
wore those army jackets or , if they were really fashion plates they had those leather -fringed jackets , and those knee length Indian mossaccin " boots "which I thought was really cool .
I had a tough dress code. No blue jeans , no sneakers,
no leather jackets for sure , buttoned shirts ONLY . About all I could get away with were those wind -breakers that were in style for a time . But I digress .
It seems a group think was in place . I just saw people doing things I had never seen before and they did'nt seem to know why they were doing them.
And they did'nt seem to want to ask themselves .
All these years I thought the Beatles broke up mainly because they were sick of being followed around by the groupies 24-7 . That was just disinformation.
Soon after the Beatles appeared we were looking at
groups such as Iron Butterfly , Creme, Zeppelin,
Black Sabbath , The Doors , etc
Seems they all appeared all at once , did'nt it ?
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Post by kungfuinstructor on Nov 4, 2003 18:04:05 GMT
Interesting observations, beldabeast! Successively more degenerate forms of music/lyrics have appeared in waves, and the process has speeded up since 1970. Considering the messages in today's pop music, such as murder, mayhem, suicide, gangs, "ho's", and Devil worship, it is hard to fathom what comes next. With all this analytical talk about the Beatles and Tavistock (I plead guilty), the story of the murders of Brian, Paul and John, and the attack on George, tends to get lost in the numbers. For me, though, the story of the deaths of Brian and Paul has an incredible amount of sadness connected with it, which will not go away.  |
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Nov 4, 2003 19:23:43 GMT
With all this analytical talk about the Beatles and Tavistock (I plead guilty), the story of the murders of Brian, Paul and John, and the attack on George, tends to get lost in the numbers. For me, though, the story of the deaths of Brian and Paul has an incredible amount of sadness connected with it, which will not go away. I shy away from the "analytical" tag, as the thread is more in the tone of lecture than presenting an analysis, with heaping globs of innuendo and speculation. Essentially there is no factual evidentiary basis or documentation to support the thread presented, but that is not intended as a negative connotation; indeed, in much of our discourses we build 'what if' scenarios. The "Tavistock" slant is merely another. |
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Post by SgtPepper on Nov 5, 2003 0:10:31 GMT
Even as a high school student in the late 60's I noticed the young doing things that I don't think they would have done of their own volition . For instance , I once saw a group of college guys holding hands with a circle of other students and doing that ring -around the- rosies bit , WITH FLOWERS STUCK IN THEIR HAIR ! I remember watching this on TV and thinking that there was NO WAY I would allow myself to be seen doing that ! I'm sure those people didn't much care what people thought about them, and were probably protesting against stereotypes. Seems like everything was fair game for protests then. Yet I don't think it should be assumed there was any sort of intended agenda from any particular group(s). I think the primary reason for all the protesting (as I mentioned elsewhere) was Viet Nam. Being unsuccessful at a war can do terrible things for a society, because at the most basic instinctive level "it's" about survival. Look at what happened to the Soviet Union not long after Afghanistan - no more. Yes, alot of people didn't like the way things were done, but so long as they were a superpower who could be beaten in a major conflict, that was tolerable. Or so as I see it from an observer's perspective. I don't think so actually - I am almost certain the Doors were done when Jim Morrison died I think about 1970 (could easily be found doing a web search). Zeppelin was certainly around during the 70's & part of the 80's? (I recall Robert Plant doing solo material during the early 80's). |
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Post by SgtPepper on Nov 5, 2003 0:19:50 GMT
Oh - all appeared at once - yes it does (and I also meant couldn't once where I put could - becoming sloppy again  ) |
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Post by kungfuinstructor on Nov 5, 2003 1:00:02 GMT
Essentially there is no factual evidentiary basis or documentation to support the thread presented, but that is not intended as a negative connotation; indeed, in much of our discourses we build 'what if' scenarios. The "Tavistock" slant is merely another. Looks like the Sun King would disagree with that! Cheers! |
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. Like many bands and artists, phrases from his songs and things associated with him became mottos and icons of everyday life - but in the U.S., probably more so for him than any other. Maybe the Beatles in England.
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