Olé....Toro! (Nat Jackley)

[TheDZ]

Speaking of Bullfighting...


www.portaltaurino.com/matadores/miguelin.htm
There's a english translator at the top right of that page...

Pure speculation here, but could this Spanish matador have been gored by a bull inaugurating a bullfighting ring in Mexico and subsequently died and been replaced?
thor.prohosting.com/~dgr/plaza/plazas.html#santa

Could Nat Jackley with his suit of lights have been involved in this before The Faul Operation? Was he working on films as a makeup artist in Spain?

Skilled Matadors are very Famous people. It seems only famous ( and/or useful ) people are considered for replacement.

He(or his replacement?) became an actor...
www.imdb.com/name/nm0558245/

The Moment of Truth , 1965.
www.imdb.com/title/tt0059459/

A masterful matador may be showered by roses as the audience shows their appreciation....

Roses and a Mexican candlestick touched by a doll's foot.

more about the bullfight itself...
www.spanishunlimited.com/spain/bullfight/index.asp

That's all I could find on him so far....

Don't start with the bullsh*t jokes now! ;D ;D

[Perplexed]

I, for one, will respect your request.

We should all step very carefully through this field of inquiry.

[BeatlePaul]

The said:

Speaking of Bullfighting...


www.portaltaurino.com/matadores/miguelin.htm
There's a english translator at the top right of that page...

Pure speculation here, but could this Spanish matador have been gored by a bull inaugurating a bullfighting ring in Mexico and subsequently died and been replaced?
thor.prohosting.com/~dgr/plaza/plazas.html#santa

Could Nat Jackley with his suit of lights have been involved in this before The Faul Operation? Was he working on films as a makeup artist in Spain?

Skilled Matadors are very Famous people. It seems only famous ( and/or useful ) people are considered for replacement.

He(or his replacement?) became an actor...
www.imdb.com/name/nm0558245/

The Moment of Truth , 1965.
www.imdb.com/title/tt0059459/

A masterful matador may be showered by roses as the audience shows their appreciation....

Roses and a Mexican candlestick touched by a doll's foot.

more about the bullfight itself...
www.spanishunlimited.com/spain/bullfight/index.asp

That's all I could find on him so far....

Don't start with the bullsh*t jokes now! ;D ;D

Did Nat replaced a bulfighter and he dreamt about that fantastic period spent in Spain?

See:

www.its-behind-you.com/damesarticle.html

Nat Jackley is among those of transvestitism and pantomime ....

Pantomime ?-!-?-!-?-!-?



[shadow=red,left,300]PANTOMIME![/shadow]

[TheDZ]

BeatlePaul said:

Did Nat replaced a bulfighter and he dreamt about that fantastic period spent in Spain?

See:

www.its-behind-you.com/damesarticle.html

Nat Jackley is among those of transvestitism and pantomime ....

Pantomime ?-!-?-!-?-!-?



[shadow=red,left,300]PANTOMIME![/shadow]

I found that page too, BeatlePaul.

Seems Nat, as a famous transvestite/pantomime artist and mason, would have fit in well at Bohemian Grove....

I wonder if Nat was Bill's instructor/advisor/prosthetic artist as well?

If he was a false matador maybe he only had to fight friendly Ferdinand type bulls... the bull (cow?) he's fighting seems rather tame....Maybe he was only temporary while they found a real matador to fill in permanently?

Bull fighting also works well as a metaphor...with the general public being the bull while the matador lures us in with his shiny suit and tires us out with his red flag distraction.....sometimes the bull wins though....

The matador Miguelin has a 5 year gap between bullfight entries from 1963 to 1968. I'm not sure if that document is complete.... more checking needed.


Bill Getting Bullfighting lessons?

Watch out for the meadow muffins! ;D

[BeatlePaul]

It was a bull or ..... just Bill ?



Tip: there is the word "BILL" and a man profie in the cow fur pattern.

[TheDZ]

BeatlePaul said:

It was a bull or ..... just Bill ?



Tip: there is the word "BILL" and a man profie in the cow fur pattern.

Yep the same word, etymologically speaking of course, and Bill's distinctive profile is in camouflage pattern and colors....the tail makes a 'B'

They sure crammed a lot into a little bit of cartoon strips.....It's quite something.

That's a good set of eyes you've got there BeatlePaul.

I'm learning!

Did you notice that the 'picture' on the wall above Bill's foot is actually a wig , a set of closed eyes(eyelids) and a nose(tip)? His camouflage...

[BeatlePaul]

Nat on MMT bus.
Dressed of leopard camouflage.

Behind him a beach ... again.



Nat dressed like Hitler (?)

[TheDZ]

BeatlePaul said:

Nat on MMT but.
Dressed of leopard camouflage.

Behind him a beach ... again.



Nat dressed like Hitler (?)

Here's the web page for the Pantomime Beatles Christmas 1966 release

Totally obvious in retrospect!
www.thebeatleshk.com/Christmas/TheBeatlesFourthChristmasRecord.html


Nat in his Leopard jacket seems to be mirroring the suit of lights of a matador.
The suit of lights serves the purpose of attracting the bull's attention....
Nat , being a mason, may have been aware of a deeper meaning of the leopard skin, that of it's association with the priesthood of ancient Egypt. The priests thought of the skin as synonymous with sunspots....and therefore the leopard skin was a very important solar symbol worn as an apron by them.
a rather important fellow perhaps......

The picture of Nat looking rather Adolph like ( hard not to with a toothbrush moustache ) is one of many in Aunt Jessies Dream sequence.
He carries around an Air France bag all through the scene!!!

www.airfrance.com/

Nat gets out of an elevator...
Elevator=Aircraft ?


Paul crashing?or merely flying?

[TheDZ]

ELVIS COSTELLO - "Suit Of Lights"


While Nat King Cole sings "Welcome To My World"
You request some song you hate you sentimental fool
And it's the force of habit
If it moves then you fcuk it
If it doesn't move you stab it
And I thought I heard "The Working Man's Blues"
He went out to work that night and wasted his breath
Outside there was a public execution
Inside he died a thousand deaths

And they pulled him out of the cold cold ground
And they pulled him out of the cold cold ground
And they pulled him out of the cold cold ground
And they put him in a suit of lights

In the perforated first editions
Where they advocate the hangman's noose
Then tell the sorry tale of the spent Princess
Her uncouth escort looking down her dress

Anyway they say that she wears the trousers
And learnt everything that she does
And doesn't know if she should tell him yes
Or let him go

And they pulled him out of the cold cold ground
And they pulled him out of the cold cold ground
And they pulled him out of the cold cold ground
And they put him in a suit of lights

Well it's a dog's life in a rope leash or a diamond collar
It's enough to make you think right now
But you don't bother
For goodness sake as you cry and shake
Let's keep you face down in the dirt where you belong
And think of all the pleasure that it brings
Though you know that it's wrong

And there's still life in your body
But most of it's leaving
Can't you give us all a break
Can't you stop breathing

And I thought I heard "The Working Man's Blues"
I went to work that night and wasted my breath
Outside they're painting tar on somebody
It's the closest to a work of art that they will ever be

And they pulled him out of the cold cold ground
And they pulled him out of the cold cold ground
And they pulled him out of the cold cold ground
And they put him in a suit of lights
And they put him in a suit of lights

Gone
by U2

You get to feel so guilty
Got so much for so little
The you find that feeling just won't go away.
You're holding on to every little thing so tightly
Till there's nothing left for you anyway.

Goodbye, you can keep this suit of lights
I'll be up with the sun
I'm not coming down
I'm not coming down
I'm not coming down.

You wanted to get somewhere so badly
You had to lose yourself along the way.
You changed your name
Well that's okay, it's necessary
And what you leave behind you don't miss anyway.

Goodbye, you can keep this suit of lights
I'll be up with the sun
I'm not coming down
I'm not coming down
I'm not coming down.
'Cause I'm already gone
Felt that way all along.
Closer to you every day
I didn't want it that much anyway.

You're taking steps that make you feel dizzy
Then you learn to like the way it feels.
You hurt yourself, you hurt your lover
Then you discover
What you thought was freedom is just greed.

Goodbye, and it's an emotional
Goodnight, I'll be up with the sun.
Are you still holding on?
I'm not coming down…
I'm not coming down
I'm not coming down.


These song lyrics seem apropos somehow....
because everybody whose anybody in UK music biz must know.....

www.geocities.com/susanwhenshetries/thelastbullfight.html

[abbey]

DeZom - wow. Those songs really are something else. The Elvis Costello one seems to be referring to John. He wrote Working Class Hero, & he is singing the blues.
Both mention a suit of light. Could this be their way of saying that the fakers, the imposters justify their existence by saying that what they're doing is right ? They're wearing a suit of light, a suit of righteousness Their change in their appearance ( their suit ) is for a good cause ?!
That was very interesting .

[TheDZ]

A colour comparison



John and Ringo trade places to show us that it is a two sided cape and Bill shows us the matadors sword,the espada, used for the kill....

To me the implications are clear:
Bill was the matador , the bull fighter and the public was the bull.
The remaining Beatles were the capes of the matador, part of his ritual team , indispensible to his task .

He was the boss, they were the employees.

and releasing this cover was the moment of truth....

[Perplexed]

The Toreador March

Lyrics From The George Bizet Opera Carmen


Libretto: Ludovic Halevy and Henri Meilhac from the novel by Prosper Merimee


This rousing song begins Act Two.
The Toreador Escamillo enters and begins exciting the crowd
with descriptions of his bullfighting, as Carmen watches quietly from the sidelines


 

French Lyrics
English Translation

 

Verse One: (after 9 bar intro)


Vortre toast, je peux vous le rendre
Senors, senors, car avec les soldats
Oui, les toreros peuvent s'entendre
Pour plaisirs, pour plaisirs ils ont les combats!
Le cirque est plein, c'est jour de fête
Le cirque est plein du haut en bas,
 Les spectateurs, perdant la tete,
Les spectateurs s'interpellent a grand fracas!


Apostrophes, cris et tapage
Pousses jusques a la fureur!
Car c'est la fete du courage,
C'est la fete des gens de coeuer!
Allons! en garde! Allons! Allons! ah!


Chorus:


Toreador, en garde, Toreador, Toreador!
Et songe bien, oui, songe en combattant
Qu'un oeil noir te regarde,
Et que l'amour t'attend,
Toreador, L'amour t'attend! 


Toreador, en garde, Toreador, Toreador!
Et songe bien, oui, songe en combattant
Qu'un oeil noir te regarde,
Et que l'amour t'attend,
Toreador, L'amour t'attend!


Verse Two:


Tout d'un coup, on fait silence...
Ah! que se passe-t-il?
Plus de cris, c'est l'instant!
Plus de cris, c'est l'instant!
le taureau s'elance
En bondissant hors du Toril!
Il s'elance! Il entre,
Il frappe! un cheval roule,
Entrainant un Picador,
Ah! bravo! Toro! Hurle la foule!
Le taureau va, il vient,
il vient et frappe encore!


En secouant ses banderilles,
Plein de fureur, il court!
Le cirque est plein de sang!
On se sauve, on franchit les grilles!
C'et ton tour maintenant! allons!
En garde! allons! allons! Ah!


Chorus:


Toreador, en garde, Toreador, Toreador!
Et songe bien, oui, songe en combattant
Qu'un oeil noir te regarde,
Et que l'amour t'attend,
Toreador, L'amour t'attend! 


Toreador, en garde, Toreador, Toreador!
Et songe bien, oui, songe en combattant
Qu'un oeil noir te regarde,
Et que l'amour t'attend,
Toreador, L'amour t'attend!


Toreador, en garde, Toreador, Toreador!

 IN ENGLISH, THE LYRICS ARE:

Verse One: (after 9 bar intro)


Your toast, I render it unto you
Sirs, sirs, for along with the soldiers
Yes, the Toreadors can understand;
For pleasures, for pleasure they fight!
The arena is full, it is the feast day
The arena is full from top to bottom.
The spectators, losing their heads,
The spectators begin a big fracas!


Apostrophes, cries, and the uproar
Grows into a furor!
Because it is a celebration of courage! It is the celebration of people with heart!
Go! On guard! Go! Go! Ah!


Chorus:


Toreador, on guard! Toreador, Toreador!
And dream well, yes, dream of fighting
There is a pair of black eyes watching you,
That await your love.
Toreador, love awaits you!


Toreador, on guard! Toreador, Toreador!
And dream well, yes, dream of fighting
There is a pair of black eyes watching you,
That await your love.
Toreador, love awaits you!


Verse Two:


All at once, there is silence
Ah, what has happened?
More cries, it is the moment!
More cries, it is the moment!
The bull rushes out
Bounding out of the Toril!
He charges out! He enters.
He strikes! A horse rolls,
Dragging a Picador,
Ah! Bravo! Bull! The crowd shrieks!
The bull goes, he comes,
He comes and strikes again!


Shaking his banderillos,
Full of fury, he runs!
The arena is full of blood!
They save themselves, they pass the gates
It is your turn now. Go!
On guard! Go! Go! Ah!


Chorus:


Toreador, on guard! Toreador, Toreador!
And dream well, yes, dream of fighting
There is a pair of black eyes watching you,
That await your love.
Toreador, love awaits you!


Toreador, on guard! Toreador, Toreador!
And dream well, yes, dream of fighting
There is a pair of black eyes watching you,
That await your love.
Toreador, love awaits you!


Toreador, on guard! Toreador, Toreador!






www.melodylane.net/toreador.htm

[abbey]

That may very well have been true IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME.
However, we all know what slowly happened over the next two years. John became more & more disgusted, having to deal with Bill's ego. Two alpha males, butting heads together. NOT a good thing at all. It lead to the breakup of one of the greatest rock bands of all time.
If Paul had been permitted to live, that never would've happened. Paul was a beta male. He didn't want ( or need ) the responsibility of being the leader of the group. He was more than happy to defer to John in such matters

[TheDZ]

Sis, once Paul died The Beatles died. End of Story.

When Beatles ( Sgt. Peppers Band btw) were formed , Bill ( Sgt. Pepper ) became and remained 'the Boss'.

John , George and Ringo had an end in mind; Get the story out in code and leave.

Bill and his handlers wanted the show to go on....and so after the 'Breakup' ( not a breakup at all, merely a formality) Bill continued being the matador....with new capes.

The enormous time and effort put into the deception would be put to good use.... As was always intended.

Too much money to be made to throw it all away.

The bullfighter theme was Bill and Nat's idea, not John, George or Ringo's. ( as I see it )

Ego's aside , the remaining Beatles had one agenda, Bill and his 'friends' had another.
They were bound to clash......

Once again, Bill was the Boss whether we like it or not.

Official history is crap.....We must learn to read between the lines......

As for Paul being 'beta', well, I am stunned at your 'observations' sometimes Sis.

Anyone care to comment on the bullfighting metaphor ?

[BeatlePaul]

The said:

Sis, once Paul died The Beatles died. End of Story.

When Beatles ( Sgt. Peppers Band btw) were formed , Bill ( Sgt. Pepper ) became and remained 'the Boss'.

John , George and Ringo had an end in mind; Get the story out in code and leave.

Bill and his handlers wanted the show to go on....and so after the 'Breakup' ( not a breakup at all, merely a formality) Bill continued being the matador....with new capes.

The enormous time and effort put into the deception would be put to good use.... As was always intended.

Too much money to be made to throw it all away.

The bullfighter theme was Bill and Nat's idea, not John, George or Ringo's. ( as I see it )

Ego's aside , the remaining Beatles had one agenda, Bill and his 'friends' had another.
They were bound to clash......

Once again, Bill was the Boss whether we like it or not.

Official history is crap.....We must learn to read between the lines......

As for Paul being 'beta', well, I am stunned at your 'observations' sometimes Sis.

Anyone care to comment on the bullfighting metaphor ?

60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=1092212404

I was wondering if "the bullfighter" was a metaphor or... the reality instead.
Nat has a Pepper nose on those comics.
Was Nat a metaphor to say .... Billy is just like Nat Jackley, the Rubber Man, The King of Pantomime?

The yellow and red were so many times referred to Billy.
Yellow and red are the colour of the Spanish flag too.

Bungalow (Bull-goal-low) Bill nothing to kill.... no more bull to kill?

And what about the old accident Bill had on his face left part?
Was it from a bull?

[TheDZ]

BeatlePaul said:

60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=1092212404

I was wondering if "the bullfighter" was a metaphor or... the reality instead.
Nat has a Pepper nose on those comics.
Was Nat a metaphor to say .... Billy is just like Nat Jackley, the Rubber Man, The King of Pantomime?

The yellow and red were so many times referred to Billy.
Yellow and red are the colour of the Spanish flag too.

Bungalow (Bull-goal-low) Bill nothing to kill.... no more bull to kill?

And what about the old accident Bill had on his face left part?
Was it from a bull?

Dang BeatlePaul, I was just thinking about Bungalow Bill and wondering about similar things.....

So maybe:

The children asked him if to kill was not a sin
"Not when he looked so fierce", his mummy butted in
If looks could kill it would have been us instead of him

is about a bullfight?

[Michelle66]

I noticed there is a picture inside the bus in Magical Mystery Tour (you can see it when the courier is speaking). It looks like a spanish poster and I can read "TOROS DE PARALTA".

[TheDZ]

Michelle66 said:

I noticed there is a picture inside the bus in Magical Mystery Tour (you can see it when the courier is speaking). It looks like a spanish poster and I can read "TOROS DE PARALTA".

You betcha Michelle66, and when Buster Bloodvessel speaks as well. There's two identical posters .
I found this...perhaps relevant

Angel & Rafael Peralta
Angel & Rafael Peralta, a team of brother bullfighters, were dominant as rejoneadores throughout the 1960s. They also served as doubles in the Bo Derek film Bolero in the early 1980s, doing the bullfight scenes. They ultimately retired to start a bull ranch, breed horses, and run a resort-type guesthouse for tourists. During their long careers, both men were considered the best of the best, with only each other as rivals.

It may also refer to the bulls bred in Peralta, Spain for bullfights. There's two Peralta's in Spain as well...not sure if they are both involved in bull ranching though.

[BeatlePaul]

Michelle66 said:

I noticed there is a picture inside the bus in Magical Mystery Tour (you can see it when the courier is speaking). It looks like a spanish poster and I can read "TOROS DE PARALTA".

The famous "TOROS DE PERALTA" ?

See them at:

www.corridas.net/actuas/01-08-02/13-08-02111.php

[abbey]

Well you guys sure are observant, that's for sure.
Look, I never claimed to be omnipotent. Maybe calling Paul a Beta male was not totally accurate. He obviously stood up to John many times. I've posted photos where he looked ready to "KILL" John ! However, he still deferred to John enough that John felt comfortable in their relationship. John definitely WAS an Alpha male. I'd like to see someone dispute THAT

[BeatlePaul]

Michelle66 said:

I noticed there is a picture inside the bus in Magical Mystery Tour (you can see it when the courier is speaking). It looks like a spanish poster and I can read "TOROS DE PARALTA".

So Billy Shepherd was (he is still living as Faul -FIA: Faul Is Alive-) a "little" Ernest Hemingway.

He liked writing, corridas, fiestas ...."Death in the Afternoon" ...

[TheDZ]

....and what about that spanish guitar run ( mellotron I believe ) at the end of Wild Honey Pie / beginning of Bungalow Bill?

so maybe Bill Shepherd got 'Ram'med in the face....

before becoming Sir Faul....

Bill the Great Imposter! A Man of Many Talents...
Writer, musician, actor, bullfighter and Doppleganger...

[BeatlePaul]

The said:

....and what about that spanish guitar run ( mellotron I believe ) at the end of Wild Honey Pie / beginning of Bungalow Bill?

so maybe Bill Shepherd got 'Ram'med in the face....

before becoming Sir Faul....

Bill the Great Imposter! A Man of Many Talents...
Writer, musician, actor, bullfighter and Doppleganger...

I was wondering about the strange belt Faul had in his hand....

.... but mainly about the golden clip he had on his chest ...

[unrepentant]

on the ORIGINAL forum [uberkinder's], it was brought out that the song BUNGALO BILL was based on a real life adventurer whose exploits were told to kids in england around the time the beatles were kids.

and what was bungalo bill's real name?
WILLIAM SHEPPERD ;D ;D

[TheDZ]

Club Taurino of London
Angel Peralta Honorary Vice President

I wonder if Bill is a secret member?

Thanks Unrepentant, I was aware. Worth repeating though!

Here's a Glossary of Bullfighting terms

btw Bullfighting is an English appellation. Torero's consider themselves artists as opposed to athlete's or 'fighter's'

anyways here's a quote from
Bull Fights 101
to illustrate what I'm getting at.

""I am going to cheer for the bull"! This is an almost universal sentiment expressed by those who are uninterested or not well informed on the subject at hand. It is based on the popular misconception that a bull fight is somehow analogous to a boxing match, a wrestling match or even a dog fight or cock fight. This leads to the most important lesson from Bull Fight 101-a bull fight is NOT a sporting event and it is NOT a fight!

It is understandable that one would think the bull fight is some type of bizarre sporting event. After all, it certainly looks like a sporting event as it occurs in a stadium with lots of beer drinking, cigar smoking, girl ogling and cheering fans. And besides, isn't it called a "bull fight"?

Well, "bull fight" is an English phrase which is misleading but we are stuck with it. The corresponding Spanish terminology does not use words that have to do with "fighting" in the usual sense.

Sporting events are characterized by an uncertain outcome. Even the lowest underdog team can get lucky (or good) and win the event!

By contrast, a bull fight almost always has the same overall outcome. The matador and his team, depending on performance and fate, receive accolades and the bull is dragged out to the butcher shop."


Does this sound familiar to any one?
Seriously, doesn't this 'fight' we're in seem a little lopsided?
..still its almost always, not always.

I take heart from the fact that, in addition to his regular deposit, one of the neighborhood dogs
dropped off a little present for me in the backyard a few days ago.....
a bull's horn!. Thanks Puppy! Guess I'll be needing that...

Still looking for meanings of the gold clip and belt though...
I'll keep digging.