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Post by plastic paul on May 22, 2005 0:23:46 GMT
Anyone who doesn't believe that Klaatu is the beatles, (if not then very much closely related), look no further than bungalow bill!
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Post by TotalInformation on May 22, 2005 2:26:43 GMT
Expand, please.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on May 22, 2005 2:30:10 GMT
Actually Scatterdome's posts about Klaatu were quite fascinating. They show up if you do a search of "Venus and Mars". (Choose 50 for the number of listings, and 700 days.) He argues pretty convincingly that Paul set them up and may have played on their first album. Also there's the Klaatu connection thread in the CLUES section.
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Post by TotalInformation on May 22, 2005 2:36:18 GMT
Scatterdome made good points that got me to reconsider rubber soul and revolver, and as a result I still think JPM was planning a "Faul" of his own beofre he was killed. But Sdome never made the case that JPM was alive past 1966. The voice that sounds like JPM in California Jam was probably an old audio clip of JPM that John, Klaus, George and Ringo snuck in there. I think those four were rpimarily responsible for the first few Klaatu singles which went on to make the bulk of the debut album. How much of that may have been based on concepts originated by JPM before his death is hard to say.
Anyway, I was specifically looking for an expansion on the Buinglaow Bill - Klaatu connection.
One connection that I do see: I think both the "Captain Marvel" in Bungalow Bill and Klaatu's "Mr. Marvello" are both refereences to Mal Evans.
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Post by plastic paul on May 22, 2005 15:11:49 GMT
Well i feel that the style of bungalow bill, with various singers all singing with almost an american style accent, the mysterious sounding tune and backing.
But the "captain marvel zapped him right between the eyes" sounds very much like one of the klaatu singers.
I wonder who got credit for singing the "high female style" bits, anyone know?
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Post by The Duke of Spiders on May 22, 2005 16:15:17 GMT
In Bungalow Bill? That's Yoko.
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Post by plastic paul on May 22, 2005 16:35:20 GMT
Really?
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Post by The Duke of Spiders on May 22, 2005 16:37:49 GMT
Yeah on the line "not when he looks so fierce?" That's Yoko. I think she's one of the backup voices on "Birthday" too.
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Post by TheAquaOne on May 27, 2005 22:04:20 GMT
Klaatu sounds to me like they were either created by the Beatles or someone close to them. I'm thinking whoever filled in for Paul on vocals while they brought Faul up to speed.
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Post by defhermit on May 27, 2005 22:47:35 GMT
Apparently ex-Beatle Ringo Starr released an album called *Goodnight Vienna*, the sleeve of which features a superimposition of his face and Klaatu's, with Gort in the background. This lead to speculation that a band called Klaatu were really the Beatles, a situation not helped by the lack of information about the band on their record sleeves, and the fact that they actually sounded a bit like the Beatles. The band remained anonymous, and Capitol Records (also the Beatles' US label) released their album without meeting the band. Klaatu originally recorded a song called *Calling Occupants*, which was later covered by *The Carpenters* (back to Jesus of Bleedin' Nazareth again!)
The ever amazing Snopes has pointed out that:
1) When Klaatu is asked where he is from, he says, "Venus and Mars." This, of course, is also the title of a 1974 McCartney/Wings album. 2) At the end of a concert in Boston during his 1976 tour, McCartney told the crowd: "See you when the earth stands still . . ." 3) The inside of George Harrison's "33 & 1/3" album includes a drawing quite similar to the cover of the Klaatu album. 4) One of Klaatu's songs ("Sub Rosa Subway") ends with a backwards tape loop. When this section is played backwards, the words "It's us, it's us, it's us . . ." repeat.
In the movie *Army of Darkness* (Evil Dead III), '"Klaatu Barada Nikto" is the shibboleth needed to negate the demonic forces of evil, or something'. Lead actor Bruce Campbell (Ash) can't quite remember it; "Klaatu Barada. . . necktie!" In *Return of the Jedi*, we're told, three of Jabba's entourage were Klaatu, Barada and Nikto. [Note, 7th January, 2000: Also recently noticed - when satellite problems are becoming noticeable in the movie *Independence Day*, scenes from *The Day The Earth Stood Still* flash across the screen ]
Cut n Paste action...
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Post by defhermit on May 27, 2005 23:02:03 GMT
I've always assumed that Klaatu Barada Nikto means something phoneticaly in latin or greek or something.... anyone know what it means?
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Post by plastic paul on May 28, 2005 1:36:48 GMT
Whilst i do not know for sure i certainly doubt it's latin or greek, when refering to words and letters its not greek because that is "Kappa - Beta - Nu" Or something like that anyway!
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Post by TheAquaOne on May 28, 2005 2:24:22 GMT
This is why I don't think it's the Beatles. They (Klaatu) had some kind of a reunion about a month or so ago. They are not John, Paul, George, or Ringo If they can play like they did or release another CD then that leans away from that. Besides without John, Paul, or George it's not the Beatles it's Ringo and the clone. However if it's someone who had creative input in the Beatles Maybe a vocal replacement/songwriter who was brought in to preserve the Music working with the great minds and maybe set a direction for them to go, a consultant if you will. Fired when the replacement was found or brought up to speed. Then we got the closest thing to the Beatles we can have today. Maybe that is why the other Beatles dropped "Clues" in their albums?
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Post by TotalInformation on May 28, 2005 4:54:38 GMT
The first singles were John, Klaus, George and Ringo (the erstwhile "Ladders") and maybe others during the so-called Lost Weekend. California Jam, indeed.
Sir George Martin was brought onboard at the latest for the production of the debut album.
Sir Faux PAUL was then brought in and they and Martin's session musicians (who eventually took on the public face of KLAATU) had increasing influence over the project until it disbanded with a final album after Lennon was killed.
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Post by defhermit on May 28, 2005 16:36:59 GMT
From the limited amount of reading I've done about Klaatu, I would say that TotalInfo's explanation sounds about right to me.
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Post by plastic paul on May 29, 2005 13:29:07 GMT
Yep, same.
The biggest thing for me is how much they sound beatlesque, and the same goes for some badfinger stuff, and everyone takes it as given, that faul helped them out a lot.
I feel that because so many people no little if anything of Klaatu, they're less inclined to believe it.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on May 29, 2005 19:38:33 GMT
I've always assumed that Klaatu Barada Nikto means something phoneticaly in latin or greek or something.... anyone know what it means? "The movie reveals that 'Klaatu' means 'been here before'."according to an April 7, 1977 Toronto Sun article referenced by Scatterdome in the "Paul hired a replacement in 66" thread.
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Post by semolinapilchard on May 30, 2005 18:46:30 GMT
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Post by valis on Jul 3, 2005 22:17:14 GMT
For those with ears to hear Klaatu's Dee Long wrote a wonderful story, involving dead rockstars being alive on Mars. In one of the later chapters he also casually mentions a musician named Paul about whom everyone is excited that he is there among the dead rockstars...hmmm... www.deelong.com/Ootas/Ootas_Chapter_01.htmAll Love Jan
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Post by valis on Jul 3, 2005 22:23:35 GMT
Here's the mention of a Paul in Dee's story: The Dragonfly is back in the hanger, although you’d never know it. After all it’s still invisible. The transport bubble shimmers into existence. The bubble pops with a soft sigh, and six people emerge chattering about digital processing and tape saturation simulation. Just your average conversation. Jimi, Janis and Paul continue on down the hall at Zero 1 Mars base. Dee and Jim stop at the elevator door. Dee, “So, can you explain to me why Paul looks so young? I’m assuming this isn’t the current Paul, but Paul from the past.” Jim, “Well, that’s correct. We had quite an adventure picking up Janis. I’ll tell you about it another time. In the process we sort of accidentally ran into Paul. Janis let it slip that we’re having this jam. Paul wanted to come along, and here we are.” Dee, “But, I met him years ago. If you’ve picked him up from an earlier time, that means we must take him back sooner or later. Which also means, looking at it logically, that he should have known me already when we met at Air Studios.” Jim, “True. Maybe he did. After we’re finished jamming he’s going back to the very moment we picked him up and take his own place again.” Dee, “Huh, say what?” Jim, “He knew you but also knew you won’t know him. So he pretended, or will pretend, not to know you, so you won’t know that he knows you. Simple?” Dee, “Right. I’m sure glad I was asleep! Sounds a bit too much like an excellent adventure to me. As long as we have a great jam, and I can’t think of anyone I would rather have as a guest! Let’s get up to the surface, I want to show you the studio.” www.deelong.com/Ootas/Ootas_Chapter_09.htm
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Post by valis on Jul 3, 2005 22:28:42 GMT
And of course Dee Long met Bill when working for George Martin's Air Studios in London in the 80s. "John Jones and I had been running Studio 5 at AIR studios in London England for a year or so. I think I was working on a project with the bass player from Dire Straits, John Ilsley so I was in the studio every day for weeks on end. AIR was located on the fourth floor on Oxford Circus and there was pretty strict security, I had to sign in with a guard at the entrance to AIR. He told me he had a message from Paul McCartney for me. I was more than a bit surprised. The message read "I'm going to do you!". In British "do you" means "beat you up". Of course I was shocked, and the guard saw the look on my face he laughed, and said "Don't worry, it's not a bad thing". I went off to studio 5 and a short while later Paul knocked on the door. He had two bodyguards in pin stripe suits with him, and a black eye. His first greeting was something to the effect of "so you're the guy from the Beatles clone band that I've heard about". This with a big smile on his face. Apparently he had been on a talk show, the host had played a bit of Calling Occupants... and asked him if he recognized the music. They even asked him if he had played on the disc. Of course he had not heard of Klaatu, but later George Martin told him that "one of the chaps from Klaatu is working at AIR". So Paul decided to check it out. We had a great conversation, talked about Klaatu and about The Beatles and about life in general. It was a dream come true for me, and he was totally cool. Klaatu was never released in Britain because EMI didn't like The Beatles reference and decided to pass. My guess is that other than a few seconds of Calling Occupants... Paul still hasn't heard it. I met him many times over the next few years, and he showed up to jam a few times in Studio 5. Unfortunately for me I was always working on something else, and missed most of the jamming. I did supply him with some sound effects for a Rupert the Bear movie he was doing with George Martin. I also learned that Studio 5 used to be Paul's smokin' room back when he recorded in Studio 2 at AIR. And the black eye? Well, he claimed he bumped into something while playing with his kids. " www.klaatu.org >interviews>Eric Abrahemsen interview 4/04
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Jul 3, 2005 22:33:56 GMT
For those with ears to hear Klaatu's Dee Long wrote a wonderful story, involving dead rockstars being alive on Mars. In one of the later chapters he also casually mentions a musician named Paul about whom everyone is excited that he is there among the dead rockstars...hmmm... www.deelong.com/Ootas/Ootas_Chapter_01.htmAll Love Jan OMG! In fact, OMG! to everything you just posted!
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Post by valis on Jul 3, 2005 22:49:28 GMT
Dee's take on how they staged Jimi Hendrix's death: Dee, (grinning)“I can think of an even better therapy. I’d like to try it soon. But on a different subject, Jim arrives next week. He’s still moving into another house, but when he gets here we should leave. Everything is ready.” Syd, “Sounds great to me, But what about Jimi?” Dee, “Oh, he’ll be fine, it’s a bit of a shock for him to find out he died so young. I know it wasn’t right to go back and rescue him just before he took the pills, but we had to do it. And he’s glad we did.” Syd, “If he’s here, how could he have died? How did you manage that?” Dee, “Well, he didn’t die, we staged that part with a bit of help from his family. They provided some of the details we needed on Jimi himself, and we paid some professionals to make the whole thing convincing. The technical offshoots from the Time Bubble have been very lucrative, as if I have to remind you. Although it was hard to get old currency, all we had to do was go back 30 years before Jimi died and put a few bucks in a bank account. By the time we needed it, the interest was easily enough to pay the whole shot.” Syd, “I hope you did the right thing. I want to freshen up a bit. Then we can go wherever you want, or whenever for that matter.” Dee, “Maybe we’ll never know if I did the right thing, but in the meantime we’ll have some great jams! When Jim gets here, we have to decide what to do about publicity, there’s been too much of it.” www.deelong.com/Ootas/Ootas_Chapter_02.htm
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Post by gracemer on Aug 5, 2005 23:45:16 GMT
I came across this chapter from Alex Constantine's book "The Covert War Against Rock." My take is that Jimi was killed for seeking new management (his manager was Mafia) and he was murdered (and not replaced) shortly thereafter. Just like Paul, upon his return from the U.S. BTW, according to Constantine, Hendrix was NOT a heroin addict.
If this account is anywhere near accurate, I'll have no further trouble believing that people would rather kill a cash cow than lose it. OMG. Poor Jimi. Poor Paul.
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Post by gracemer on Aug 5, 2005 23:47:47 GMT
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