Yes PID, lets prove it!

[plastic paul]

I said it in another thread but i think this should be seen by all....

"i've become disillusioned with PID anyway because no-one seems to be receptive to other peoples theories (which i may be accused of myself), and when i first begun, i feel i was coming up with ideas all the time when i first joined but i've hit "the wall" recently and am struggling to find new evidence which i think i the crux of the matter."

"There seems to be so many seperate factions on this forum, but we have to try to work together to keep everyone working for the common good, to find out what really happened to JPM, and to oust faul, whoever he really is."

"Everyones work is good and valuable but we know paul is dead and was replaced so do we need to keep going over the fact that their pictures do not match?"

"We should focus on proving PID by finding new information and providing new theories and evidence."

I think we should be able to provide a thread to discus whats wrong with our forum and rectify any problems/difficulties.

Thanks for reading PP!

[defhermit]

step one is not to jump to any conclusions....find the "lowest common denominator" that we can all agree on so we can try to progress forward... unfortunately I think you are already jumping to one conclusion... we don't know that he was killed or is even dead... the only thing that I'm willing to bet on is that the man known as Paul looks a lot different past one specific date... I think he probably was replaced, but I have no idea as to whether the original died...

[plastic paul]

Well i didnt want to use the motto of another forum PWR because this is the PID forum, but yes thats a fair comment.

[unrepentant]

the current "theory" reads like a stanley kubrick movie plot and is almost impossible to understand.

so.....i would love it if the simple proofs of the replacement itself were the focus of this forum, and not the piling on of even more layers of speculative complexity to everything.

in my opinion the most knowledgable people on this board either don't post at all or only say things in private messages....

i think we could prove this entire thing within a year if everyone pulled together and pooled their knowledge.

[byrdsmaniac]

Well certainly this:

www.freewebs.com/breathingcadaver/60if.html

needs to be updated, and not written as if it were George Harrison speaking, because clearly it isn't a verbatim transcript of anything he said. Something may have been lost in translation, but I don't think George spoke like Paul Bearer.
And what isn't known for certain shouldn't be presented as if it were. (I am thinking of the "white Volkswagon" which does not appear to be the make of car in the White Album poster, imo. And the presumed dates of finding the body.)
And if, in fact, there is no 60if document, there should not be a pretense that there is one.
Whatever the real story regarding that is should be told forthwith for the sake of honesty.

Unrepentent wrote:
"so.....i would love it if the simple proofs of the replacement itself were the focus of this forum, and not the piling on of even more layers of speculative complexity to everything."

The "simple proofs" of Paul replaced are already here.
The proof of death may be a little harder 'til someone
comes up with a death certificate, which may be difficult since he "appears" to still be alive in the person of Faul.

"i think we could prove this entire thing within a year if everyone pulled together and pooled their knowledge. "

Nice talk, but what do you mean? A "smoking gun"?
Good luck.

The "simple" version of what happened is over at NIR under "the story". Paul was driven off the road by someone. And there's probably a lot more that happened, to be sure.

Perhaps there should be a page listing the basic facts,
as we know them, with a note explaining that our understanding is imperfect, and is subject to change pending further investigation.

But I don't think that what everyone really wants is just "the simple story". There seem to be concerns that
if people like Byrdsmaniac or Madtitan go into wild speculation that the credibility of the forum will be ruined. So what you all seem to want is a nice, publically acceptible website that you can go run to the press with, and don't get me wrong, there should be a page like that.
But, on the other hand, "the magical mystery tour" was supposed to be a personal experience full of wonder and discovery; not a "just the facts" expose of the fact that Paul is dead, imo. I think the whole purpose of the Beatles putting so many clues about Paul being dead in their albums wasn't just to convey
the message that Paul was dead. They wanted us to
pick up on something else too. For starters, maybe all those replacements BeatlePaul keeps pointing out.
There's a bigger picture than just "Paul is dead" is what
I'm saying. And there's room for that on this forum as well.

[ReallyReallyDead]

byrdsmaniac said:

www.freewebs.com/breathingcadaver/60if.html

Wow! Thats much more beleavable than the current TKIN! story, that link above basically sums up what I beleve.

[defhermit]

byrdsmaniac said:

Well certainly this:

www.freewebs.com/breathingcadaver/60if.html

needs to be updated, and not written as if it were George Harrison speaking, because clearly it isn't.
And what isn't known for certain shouldn't be presented as if it were. (I am thinking of the "white Volkswagon" which does not appear to be the make of car in the White Album poster, imo. And the presumed dates of finding the body.)
And if, in fact, there is no 60if document, there should not be a pretense that there is one.
Whatever the real story regarding that is should be told forthwith for the sake of honesty.

Eyesbleed wrote:
"so.....i would love it if the simple proofs of the replacement itself were the focus of this forum, and not the piling on of even more layers of speculative complexity to everything."

The "simple proofs" of Paul replaced are already here.
The proof of death may be a little harder 'til someone
comes up with a death certificate, which may be difficult since he "appears" to still be alive in the person of Faul.

"i think we could prove this entire thing within a year if everyone pulled together and pooled their knowledge. "

Nice talk, but what do you mean? A "smoking gun"?
Good luck.

The "simple" version of what happened is over at NIR under "the story". Paul was driven off the road by someone. And there's probably a lot more that happened, to be sure.

Perhaps there should be a page listing the basic facts,
as we know them, with a note explaining that our understanding is imperfect, and is subject to change pending further investigation.

But I don't think that what everyone really wants is just "the simple story". There seem to be concerns that
if people like Byrdsmaniac or Madtitan go into wild speculation that the credibility of the forum will be ruined. So what you all seem to want is a nice, publically
acceptible website that you can go run to the press
with, and don't get me wrong, there should be that page. And the piece of crap I put the link up to isn't
good enough as it stands, imo.
But, on the other hand, "the magical mystery tour" was supposed to be a personal experience full of wonder and discovery; not a "just the facts" expose of the fact that Paul is dead, imo. I think the whole purpose of the Beatles putting so many clues about Paul being dead in their albums wasn't just to convey
the message that Paul was dead. They wanted us to
pick up on something else too. For starters, maybe all those replacements BeatlePaul keeps pointing out.
There's a bigger picture than just "Paul is dead" is what
I'm saying. And there's room for that on this forum as well.

why do you refer to yourself in the third person? is there more than one person posting under byrdsmaniac? it would explain the flood of song lyrics...haha....

[byrdsmaniac]

Byrdsmaniac is one person.

[semolinapilchard]

I think it's funny that some of you think you are going to"prove" PID. Not gonna happen.

[abbey]

That might very well be true, Sem. However, we have to keep trying.
What the dark forces have been getting away with for so long is just plain "wrong".
If it is true that good always overturns evil, it's just a matter of time...

[ReallyReallyDead]

abbey said:

That might very well be true, Sem. However, we have to keep trying.
What the dark forces have been getting away with for so long is just plain "wrong".
If it is true that good always overturns evil, it's just a matter of time...

But this isn't a movie...


...or is it?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!

just kidding

[plastic paul]

Sem do you have to make comments like that? We can prove it to ourselves can't we? This forum is about finding out the true story is it not?

[semolinapilchard]

Yes, I do.

[plastic paul]

Well i suppose at least you stand by your comments, no matter how demoralising they may be, perhaps even square!

[TheDZ]

I don't think we need to 'prove' anything...I think we need to
look at what 'the Beatles' left us..Apollo has convinced me,
at least, that the lyrics of many of the songs contain coded
meaning and messages..If these can be deciphered in their
proper context, perhaps an understanding can be reached.
Not 'proof' but truth nonetheless.
The Beatles ARE the message....and the messenger, what did
they tell us?

[unrepentant]

if all the clues were collected it would at LEAST prove the beatles wanted us to THINK they had secretly replaced paul. their denials of that would then make them look like filthy liars with a guilty conscience, which they were...... IF we are not kidding ourselves. ;D

someone even came on this board and said there was a massive clue on SGT. PEPPER that no one had discovered, staring us all in the face.

to be brutally frank, the people who are aware of these clues are too sleazy and/or too chickensh!t to share them with us. so i have to disagree with paul bearer about good overturning evil....i really think the bad guys won a long time ago, as this PID madness could only last this long if that were the case.

evil people just have an inherent awareness that the rest of us will believe a huge lie much more easily than a small one. DO THE REST OF US KNOW THAT?

ever wish you just didn't know the truth?

[TPIMaster]

unrepentant said:

if all the clues were collected it would at LEAST prove the beatles wanted us to THINK they had secretly replaced paul. their denials of that would then make them look like filthy liars with a guilty conscience, which they were...... IF we are not kidding ourselves. ;D

someone even came on this board and said there was a massive clue on SGT. PEPPER that no one had discovered, staring us all in the face.

to be brutally frank, the people who are aware of these clues are too sleazy and/or too chickensh!t to share them with us. so i have to disagree with paul bearer about good overturning evil....i really think the bad guys won a long time ago, as this PID madness could only last this long if that were the case.

evil people just have an inherent awareness that the rest of us will believe a huge lie much more easily than a small one. DO THE REST OF US KNOW THAT?

ever wish you just didn't know the truth?

You're making a good point. There are so many things that relate to the death of Paul. (Like John saying in a silly tone: "Paul's been slined(?) in a bloody car crash.) Also, you got to remember: there are people who are mostly bluffing, honest people, liars... and there are those scared to contribute. (for some reason)...

And no, I never wish I just didn't know the truth. Like SMA's signature says:

[glow=green,2,300]It is necessary to reveal the truth and give James Paul McCartney his true place in history[/glow]