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Post by savoytruffle on Nov 14, 2005 10:57:06 GMT
Hello to you all, I'm new here
First off: My names Nick and I am from England.
Secondly: I'd like to know, has knowing what you know (or what you think you know) ruined your enjoyment of the beatles albums and songs?
How can you enjoy the sgt peppers lonely hearts club band, when you believe it is the unveiling of a giant impostor and elaborate cover up story, revealing what you believe to be the death of your hero and mine, James Paul McCartney?
And the same goes for all post 66 material?! Let it be, for example, do you still enjoy this wonderful song believing that it is sung by a fake?
Or, and this seems a strange notion to me, has it hightened your enjoyment of these masterpieces? Adding a diverse mysterious quality to your all ready beloved band?
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Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 14, 2005 13:05:46 GMT
Hello to you all, I'm new here First off: My names Nick and I am from England. Secondly: I'd like to know, has knowing what you know (or what you think you know) ruined your enjoyment of the beatles albums and songs? How can you enjoy the sgt peppers lonely hearts club band, when you believe it is the unveiling of a giant impostor and elaborate cover up story, revealing what you believe to be the death of your hero and mine, James Paul McCartney? And the same goes for all post 66 material?! Let it be, for example, do you still enjoy this wonderful song believing that it is sung by a fake? Or, and this seems a strange notion to me, has it hightened your enjoyment of these masterpieces? Adding a diverse mysterious quality to your all ready beloved band? Welcome. Good question. I am a James Paul McCartney, John Lennon, George Harrison and George Martin fan. So I can "still" enjoy the music of my heroes. If Brian Epstein (ah, now I remember ... he was called "the fifth Bealte" !!!) performed and still performs Faux Paul McCartney nothing has changed. It's just all about the same people from the beginning to now.
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Post by plastic paul on Nov 14, 2005 14:45:43 GMT
Hello nick, a fellow englishman is always welcome!
It hasn't ruined my love and enjoyment of the beatles, i understand that the whole notion can be upsetting if thought about too much though.
BP, where do all the billy shears references fit into the Epstein saga? Can you find any Epstein clues in songs, coz that would be almost inrefutable.
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Post by savoytruffle on Nov 16, 2005 12:17:16 GMT
Thank-you for your replies
Ahhh, so Beatlepaul what you're saying is that you enjoy the remainig beatles contributions to the later part of their material. Maybe even the songs Paul sung, as you beleive that these were really written by John Lennon and George Martin???
And plasticpaul are you saying that you still enjoy all the beatles music by casting your beleif that Paul is dead to the back of your mind while listening???
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Post by plastic paul on Nov 16, 2005 14:05:21 GMT
Well i suppose it's more like a member leaving a band to be replaced by another guy like Ronnie Wood joining the Rolling Stones for example. I know that Paul was the true musician and more likeable etc. but i don't dislike Faul's contribution, he did a good job trying to emulate Paul IMO.
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Post by savoytruffle on Nov 16, 2005 16:00:23 GMT
Oh I see, yeah good way of looking at things I suppose.
Yeah I respect the way that you respect Faul's ability and performances.
What about the other regulars to this site, do they have respect or resentment for faul??
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Post by beatled on Nov 17, 2005 1:43:57 GMT
There was a time when I felt inclined to judge anyone replacing Paul and be part of any cover up, but.. not anymore. Maybe if one wants to be mad at someone, it should be at the ones holding the leash.. Bill isn't the one, knighthood notwithstanding.
If you enjoyed the music before, nothing changes, at least for me. In fact:
Sure, what a great way of expressing it.
I've said this before, but I started listening to everything from Beatle Bill's solo career, (for research I suppose) and somewhere along the line I became quite the fan. Sometimes it seems you could read into some of his works as a confession of sorts, although of course he has always denied 100% the idea that any of his songs have any deliberate meaning, aided by the universal perception that he's the "lite" songwriter.
So to answer your question, in spite of what I believe him to be, ( a replacement) I can see him as someone with talents in his own right. (just not Paul)
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Post by Perplexed on Nov 17, 2005 6:57:44 GMT
There was a time when I felt inclined to judge anyone replacing Paul and be part of any cover up, but.. not anymore. Maybe if one wants to be mad at someone, it should be at the ones holding the leash.. Bill isn't the one, knighthood notwithstanding. If you enjoyed the music before, nothing changes, at least for me. In fact: Sure, what a great way of expressing it. I've said this before, but I started listening to everything from Beatle Bill's solo career, (for research I suppose) and somewhere along the line I became quite the fan. Sometimes it seems you could read into some of his works as a confession of sorts, although of course he has always denied 100% the idea that any of his songs have any deliberate meaning, aided by the universal perception that he's the "lite" songwriter. So to answer your question, in spite of what I believe him to be, ( a replacement) I can see him as someone with talents in his own right. (just not Paul) Which is why I have felt and said it to the few I've preached PID to (a ever decreasing number 'cause nobody "gets" it) I always tell them that it is the most remarkable kind of situation, and one that testifies to enormous personal passion and talents on the parts of all the players. What has actually transpired (of course, that only said in context of a hypothetical PID construction of events) is an amazing counterpoint of efforts from the four points of the talent map making it all possible.......or do I mean Paul-laws-i-ble? Or something like that.......if you really peer down into the crystal ball of revelation, one sees what has really been done, to create the solution to the dilemma, amazing cooperation from so many levels of brilliance from many parties. William's brilliance becomes far more apparent, too........so the idea of "lite weight" is a misconception--because he clearly understands all forms of music and how to make it communicate and sell, was not fearful of recording innovations then or now, and has always been pin-pointedly correct in his perceptions about personalities and audiences. He writes musical pieces extremely well, innnovates in his arrangements, creates thru-lines and cool grooves--and back then he helped, in a huge way, keep the Beatles on the map---without his contributions, as 60IF admits, they knew they were desperately finished otherwise........ It is right out of Shakespeare. There may be levity involved, but it was no joke. And above every corporately co-opted artist, there are many unseen hands that wield enormous powers.
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