Some Fautograph Analysis

[Dr.No]

I've noticed that the faul's head is at an angle in all of those pics, where as John's head is shot square on. Could you do one of faul where his head is shot the same way?

[bxv]

guitarjon123 said:

I've noticed that the faul's head is at an angle in all of those pics, where as John's head is shot square on. Could you do one of faul where his head is shot the same way?

The SP photo is quite "square on" Jon, but I did as you asked. I simply uprighted the previous one.

[defhermit]

that picture is not square on, his head is cocked to the left (his right) slightly

[bxv]

Hang on I'll get a compass and a set square. Ever think of tilting your head to the side?



It's photos of 2 different people stuck together. It doesnt matter what way the head is tilted.

I wonder what the significance these masks have. One has a broad face remarkably like the one above and the other a narrower face with pointed chin. A coincidence?

[TheDZ]

I'm curious what you think of this bxv..
perhaps Paul's asymmetry presented a problem to duplicate..

[bxv]

But thats not Paul it's one or two of the several hundred Fauls, and that amount of assymetry is un-imaginable. Another thing is that the asymmetry changes. If the asymmetry was constant, then maybe you could say "Paul had a very asymetric face". But it;s clear from all the Fauxtos that they used several subjects to produce just the look they wanted at that particular time.

Pauls face is very symmetric.

This is "my" Paul -




....or have I mis-understood you DZ?

[bxv]

They have done an excellent job! Whoever they are? It's as clear as mud for most people as to who Paul actually is.

I wouldn't put money on any of them being a Paul. Was it a role that was filled by various people? I would love the truth, thats all.

[TheDZ]

Oh Hey bxv, I'm enjoying your posts, I especially like the
diagonals..
A fellow named moped posted this..

There seems to be a diagonal that doesn't shift while the rest
does.
Perhaps diagonal distortion is difficult for the human eye to readily detect..?

This thread..
60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=document&action=display&thread=1109209150&page=2
has the picture source I used .
Total Info stated that is vintage JPM...seemed that way to me.

I am aware that many Beatles photos were retouched, pre
Sgt Pepper. but totally doctored?

Don't get me wrong, I'm liking your stuff, in fact I had (have)
a habit of covering one side then the other of face shots .
Quite revealing..!

Do you have a full face on vintage JPM pic I could use to compare?

[bxv]

Just a quick obbo regarding that Paul(?) with sword photograph.

Paul was a lefty - right? This guy looks right hand dominant. Looks like one (or two) of the Faul characters to me. Sorry don't mean to be a nay-sayer but I can't see how that is Paul in any shape or form. I will do the business none the less and get back to you later DZ.

Cheers by the way also :-)

Re the SP cover. At first glance there is an extra person apperaing behind The Glamorous Blonde to the right. Doris or Jane whoever I cant remember off-hand. Oh, and another 3 to the left of Bob Dylan at the back.

[bxv]

[TPIMaster]

bxv said:

What are you trying to prove with this?

[plastic paul]

Now that is weird when you halve the picture they look like two completely different people, i think it proves doctored pictures IMHO, sorry to quote myself but i think it applies to this as well;

plasticpaul said:

There's gotta be something fishy going on, major over-airbrushing, ratio, aspect changes etc, perhaps "they're" constantly changing paul's anthropometrics so that we can never get a proper image of what he looks like, making comparision more difficult, plus perhaps it gives PIAers more of an excuse to "debunk" paul/faul fades by saying "look even current billy doesn't match up all the time!"

It's certainly tricky to know just what is a natural image and whats been messed with so much beyond recognition.

[neoexelor]

looks more like
60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=1115556611

[bxv]

What am I trying to prove? That this is not Paul Mc Cartney. That in fact, it is photographs of two different individuals spliced together - to produce a Paul Mc Cartney.

And, no it does not look "more like" anything. It's not stupid 'lensing' effect.

Im not half the man I used to be.....

[TheDZ]

Cheers, bxv
Agreed about the lens distortion. Not a factor in that case IMO.
This page shows a fellow with an asymmetric face
actcomm.thayer.dartmouth.edu/rgray/face/
for comparison.

Just to clarify..are you suggesting that 'Paul' images
were faked before autumn 1966? I only ask because the matador pic was printed before then AFAIK..

[Perplexed]

DZ, you posit an interesing variety above. (I am saving bandwidth by not quoting your photos. The recent per barrel price is out of sight.)

Certainly raises the idea of how images may have been generated at times.
Question; could partial mirroring combined with other techniques played a role?

Your posts helps to prime the pump on an untapped field of observation.

[Perplexed]

Light bulb idea:

Perhaps James Paul's face is actually displayed in the open, out in plain sight. Or, perhaps, halves or parts of it. Hidden away in crowd scenes or in bystanders. In MMT, or photos of crowds........in a disguise....or even......wig.........maybe his face is cropped in to cover another person's face.............

[bxv]

It would appear so DZ.

This rabbit hole goes much deeper than we imagined.

This came up on another thread I thought it would be good here also.

I showed this to RRD



and he improved on it with this :

[Perplexed]

thedezombificator said:

I'm curious what you think of this bxv..
perhaps Paul's asymmetry presented a problem to duplicate..

So, then the challenge is met by breaking Wiliiam's rhizomes (hypothetical)
with a surgical hammer and resetting the left one lower and the right one higher Thereby making the left oblique aspect of his face longer from from to back, and the right oblique aspect taller, up and down from chin to forehead.
So, from then on, the right side of the face would always appear to have a taller look to it; the left, a shorter,deeper one, especially in a "Beatle" wig. This effect appears to still be true today.

[TPIMaster]

bxv said:

What am I trying to prove? That this is not Paul Mc Cartney. That in fact, it is photographs of two different individuals spliced together - to produce a Paul Mc Cartney.

And, no it does not look "more like" anything. It's not stupid 'lensing' effect.

Im not half the man I used to be.....

People don't have perfectly symmetrical faces.

In other words: You're claiming that they started doctoring Beatles pictures even before they were famous. Cause Paul has always had a face like that.

[neoexelor]

looks like the same man to me

[TPIMaster]

Exactly! Good stuff, neoxelor.

[neoexelor]

Furthermore, going by your argument, I suppose they doctored a different person into George Harrison aswell?



Just because shading makes one picture look like two people, doesnt mean it is two people.

[bxv]

The slow fade of any two subjects is mis-leading.

It is your contention that this is Paul Mc Cartney?

[neoexelor]

Yes, it is a picture on his other side that is faded. See my fade.