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Post by MrMustard on Sept 23, 2003 23:14:50 GMT
You guys are absolutely right; that is George Harrison singing 'Across the Universe' I closed my eyes while I listened to it and the second time through I could just picture it being George. Eh? Across the Universe is John song....
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Post by inmylife on Sept 24, 2003 1:18:02 GMT
It is a John song, but George is singing it! You must not have listened to it with your eyes closed and imagined. Okay just kidding, I was just adding an absurdity to this thread. Well another anyway.
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Post by MrMustard on Sept 24, 2003 1:29:18 GMT
lol ok ;D
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Post by inmylife on Sept 24, 2003 3:49:47 GMT
Come on Miss Mustard, please really listen hard to the song and tell me that aint George singing Across the Universe, I mean if you really try and use a little imagination you should be able to, no?
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 24, 2003 4:19:44 GMT
OK, after listen a lot, it seems to me that (1) Eleanor Rigby is JP, (2) Most of Penny Lane is JP, and (3) Hello, Goodbye is a mix of two people on the right track. One has a quicker vibrato.
James Paul sing a quick hugh Bb at the end of "Love Me do", as I know that when the harmonica is being played by John Lennon, Paul is covereing the lead. Teachnically, the higher part all the way thru I think is a harmony above Lennon's melody. At the phrases end, where the harmonica busts out over the last "Love Me Do", Paul takes over. At the last in the fade out, Paul ad libs some nice high riffs. He touches a Bb. It is rough but has great feeling and charactor. This is, in my experience, indincates how high that pitch is in his voice, a lyric baritone.
Somewhere in "Hello, Goodbye", in one of the bridges where the vocal is "Oh-oh, No!", there is a high C hit. It is pure. It is a tenor bell ring kind of tone. It sounds effortless; although it is using the nasal vocal mute, as some teachers refer to it. Some kinds of voices can pop out higher notes in this "placement."
Perhaps the track was sped up (and thereby raising the key) for this song.
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Post by Revolver on Sept 24, 2003 4:43:48 GMT
A little conspiracy theory goes along way to a fool's head, and goes a long way on 60IF also. Wait for the 'Naked' Let it Be and hear who sings 'Across the Universe.' Take out the vinyl rather than your MP3's and CDs and listen to 'Fool on the Hill.' Then check the writer's of the toons, follow the money trail of royalty fees before spouting off on who sung what.
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Post by inmylife on Sept 24, 2003 4:49:30 GMT
Wait now, I don't understand. I was just busting chops... about that across the universe thing...
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Post by JamesPaul & Brian on Sept 24, 2003 14:59:35 GMT
Ah, Neil.... ..one of the most famous....fakers! ;D Not only about voices... Please look at... here for details ;D
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Post by xpt626 on Sept 24, 2003 19:36:09 GMT
Ah, Neil.... ..one of the most famous....fakers! ;D Not only about voices... Please look at... here for details ;D amazing! ;D
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Post by MrMustard on Sept 25, 2003 0:16:10 GMT
Haha it's funny... ;D
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Post by JamesPaul & Brian on Sept 25, 2003 12:59:34 GMT
Tip: The "imitators" sung EXCLUSIVELY songs about me and themselves, Faul sung EXCLUSIVELY songs about him.
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Post by MotherNaureSon on Sept 25, 2003 13:18:01 GMT
Really? Mmmmm Is "Ob-La-Di Ob-La-da" or "Maxwell Silver Hammer" about Faul? Aren't "Mr. Kite" or "Bungallow bill"?
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Post by JamesPaul & Brian on Sept 25, 2003 13:26:39 GMT
Concerning Faul means: stories that he knew or related to him... Was it forbidden for John to talk about Bill?
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Post by MotherNaureSon on Sept 25, 2003 14:47:09 GMT
OK, you're right ;D
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 25, 2003 22:15:35 GMT
Really? Mmmmm Is "Ob-La-Di Ob-La-da" or "Maxwell Silver Hammer" about Faul? I think the song "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" has to have far more clues to it than we've generally been inclined to believe, regardless of who sings it. For example, "Rose and Valerie, screaming from the gallery, say he must go free" might seem innocuous, but remember one of Faul's early albums was entitled Red Rose Speedway (and from what I hear featured the naked body of a young lady in it?). When I was a youngster there was a very popular publisher of childrens' stories known as "Little Golden Books", one of whose titles was:"Snow White and Rose Red". (Unfortunately I never read it; it might actually be a clue.) Sun King has already told us that Snow White on the Sgt. Pepper album cover is Maggie McGivern. Rose Red would probably been an accomplice.(Who?) Now look at the lyrics to "Maggie Mae" from the "Let It Be" album: "the judge she guilty found her of robbing the homeward bounder". Just what does all this mean? Somewhere else on this site someone explained the significance of the silver in "Maxwell's Silver Hammer", but alas, I don't recall what it was. Anyone who can shed some light on this song, please do. Was Maxwell someone significant in English law or history? Does PC 31 have any significance? (Possibly the precinct where the white Volkswagen was found by the hill, maybe?) Anyone? I would think that since virtually all of the songs on Abbey Road are clues, this one would have to be as well.
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Post by Elidor on Sept 25, 2003 22:27:18 GMT
Maggie Mae is a traditional Liverpool song Lennon and the others were prone to breaking into. Maxwell has no relevant historical British significance whatsoever. PC stands for Police Constable. ie lowest rank policeman.
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Post by JamesPaul & Brian on Sept 25, 2003 22:38:09 GMT
Maxwell's Silver Hammer: the continuing story of Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da told Rocky Raccoon with Honey Pie.
All American Boys
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 25, 2003 22:58:24 GMT
I apologize for amount of space of post above. I think 't was my cat's fault: she hit the down arrow while I was composing. Thanks Elidor and James Paul for comments.
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 3, 2003 9:42:40 GMT
Just my opinion. I may be wrong on some of these things.
I accompany singers for a living. I do it 5 and 6 days a week; I listen to humans sing all the f#$@ing time. I usually love it.
I understand about EQ and microphones and room ambiance and effects.
I know people get hoarse, smoke cigarettes, do cocaine, drink coffee, don't sleep, sleep too late, drink too much alcohol, get colds.
Etc.
I have been listening to Sgt Pepper's, I never owned it till this week. Most have you have listened to it much more. I have listened thru it 7 or 8 times.
As far as vocals go: I hear Paul in Getting Better, Fixing a Hole, definitely "She's Leaving Home", and the insert to "A Day in the Life."
To my ears, just to me, my opinion, there is simply no way that Paul's vocal cords sang "When I'm Sixty-Four." To my ears, that tessitura and ease of reach on high F's, G's and A-flats, is out of the question for the same voice I hear singing She's Leaving Home. It could never happen. The breath pressure, the placement , in NO WAY whatsoever resembles the first trax I mentioned. Different person, does any one agree?
I believe Ringo Starr sang "With a Little Help From My Friends." Matches "You're 16 and Beautiful and Mine." Totally consistent.Ringo has a heavier baritone ring then the other Beatles, he sings close to his speaking range, and its all in what is called "front." (Rich, chesty, speaking range, easy to hit.) Yes, he has pitch issues. It's a friendly voice with no affectations.
I am a bit puzzled by the opening verse of Sgt Pepper. It really SEEMS to be James Paul, but maybe it is a person who is VERY skillful at imitation, whose voice corresponds more to JP. But it is a very good imitation if so. It's high; he's screaming. It has some Bb's. It could be Paul. I will read up on this Aspinall fellow I see mentioned a lot here. I will look into Klattuu.........
In the insert to "A Day in the Life" really stunned me. I had heard it on radio years ago; I noted the haunted quality of John's vocals.
That insert really strikes me as the unfinished verse of a longer, more complete song. It sounds like it should continue thru the section directly afterward where John returns singing the AAHS. It is one long harmonic build that I think Paul wrote. I think he was writing an up-beat bouncy song, the dreamier contrasting part I think was an invention "they" came up with to wrap around the song. It's very John. I think Paul is playing bass. I think they found this "Piece" of a demo of a song he was working on, and and think they kind of wrote around it. I think they showcased that little scrap of Pauls so that they could use it. They wanted to use every little scrap they had, it seems. That song IS NOT one organic whole. It is bizarre. I love it, but it really is a patched together thing now that I have listened closely over and over. It's a work of art: it comes across as a somewhat "acid" drugged out reflection of someone's recollections. But, musically it feels like a pastiche.
Speaking of the insert: Turn the balance all the way right during the Listen to Paul. The voice is tired. I think there is a second verse and a chorus none of us has ever heard. There is probably no existing recording of the rest of it. Paul was so SYMMETRICAL and form concious in ALL his writing, thru '66, that I can't believe he just wrote that little scrap.(I like the scrap don't get me wrong.) All my musical instincts tell me there was meant to be more.
They've cleverly piece-mealed together all the scraps; and we've always thought the odd forms were strictly "inspired."
Paul's voice is lyrically compelling on "She's Leaving Home", and I think this is the most lovely melody of Paul's that I have ever heard. Wow! But his voice sounds very tired. E above middle C seems to almost close off on him, it takes a lot of support for him to push thru that middle high range.
Getting Better seems ahead of its time (67) I think of Chicago's "Does Anybody Really Know What Time it Is."(1970?) The backup harmonies are striking and fresh. The chord patterns are hip, special. The repetative octave G's in the guitar on quarter notes that pulse thru the choruses, and especially at the end, are a little well, strident to me. I just wish they were less hot in the mix. The groove is real nice. Groovin' shuffle. The idea of inter-connecting the songs may have caused Mr. Martin to have them emphasize that octave guitar thing at the end, as a motivic device to tie into "Fixing a Hole." I think it's just connecting tissue, and NOT something Paul would have asked for had he been there for the final mixes. Bravo the bass work!-very un typical compare to earlier.. Nice syncopations. A lot of earlier Beatles bass trax have a plodding quarter note figure--totally appropriate for those early dance tunes. I guess Paperback Writer and You Won't See Me, gives us the walking arpeggio thing, and here we on Sgt. Peppers there is a lot of exploring with syncopations. Love it all.......
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Post by Curious on Oct 3, 2003 10:10:02 GMT
I studies the Sergeant Pepper album for GCSE 12 years ago, and I seem to remember my teacher commenting on how different Paul's voice sounded on various songs.
Yes, Ringo DID sing "A Little Help From My Friends".
***Edit*** - I think George may have sung "When I'm Sixty Four". I can't really hear any hint of Paul in the lead vocals at all, but there's a voice that sounds a BIT like Paul in the backing vocals.***
I can't really remember much else, so I'l have to relisten to the album and get back to you on this debate. For the record, after I finished school, I studied sound engineering for 2 years, and then popular music, using the practical side of the course to train as a singing teacher. Unfortunately, music seems to tbe the only industry that I've NOT worked in since then!
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Post by Curious on Oct 3, 2003 10:46:56 GMT
www.smackbomb.com/beatles/song-when_im_sixty-four.htmlIt states that the recording of "When I'm Sixty Four" was slowed down for the master in order to make Paul's voice sound younger. Therefore, playback would be faster, making the voice sound higher in pitch. I'd love to try to slow this down a little and see what it sounds like.
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Post by SunKing on Oct 3, 2003 12:35:27 GMT
Curious: It will be done with the NEW site! Please be patient!
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Post by Curious on Oct 3, 2003 12:44:58 GMT
Thanks, SK - I didn't know what you had planned.
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Post by Elidor on Oct 3, 2003 21:55:53 GMT
Sun King, are you able to say when the rest of the information containe din the unabridged version of 60IF will be published, and why has it been held back?
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Post by Curious on Oct 4, 2003 7:29:22 GMT
I've got it on MP3, and am going to try slowing it down through a sequencing program. If I'm successful, I'll upload it somewhere and link it here.
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