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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 30, 2004 18:00:09 GMT
okay, so it's possible to look completely different and still be the same person (see pictures of michael jackson). but was it possible to change your appearance that radically - like you say bill did - in 2.5 to 3 months? YES   Billy just having a chewing-gum? It needed just a month after the operation. October 9th - November 9th 1966 |
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 30, 2004 18:19:34 GMT
Please refer to your Reference Documentation. There you will find an old/new fade of MJ. Despite the changes in the nose, lips, and skin tone the basic structure of his face remains intact. You still have not answered my question. How exactly did you confirm the 'piano man' as being Billy ? Maybe the 'piano man' is George Martin's replacement.  |
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Post by ViVi on Aug 30, 2004 19:10:24 GMT
There are two reasons I would even entertain it as a possibility. 1) The person playing the piano seems to have a totally different personality than George Martin. George Martin never seemed to smile very much. Always gave me the impression he belonged in the Nazi party  2) The comparison to the lines in the cheeks between the guy at the piano & old Faul. |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 30, 2004 19:16:22 GMT
Please refer to your Reference Documentation. There you will find a fade of an old/new fade of MJ. Despite the changes in the nose, lips, and skin tone the basic structure of his face remains intact. You still have not answered my question. How exactly did you confirm the 'piano man' as being Billy ? Maybe the 'piano man' is George Martin's replacement. .... just looking at our previous post ... |
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 30, 2004 23:06:18 GMT
.... just looking at our previous post ... That does not answer my question now for the second time. If your fade is your "proof" it is about as compelling as a PIAer's fade, not too. I'll just assume that you are guessing and leave it at that. |
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 30, 2004 23:07:12 GMT
There are two reasons I would even entertain it as a possibility. 1) The person playing the piano seems to have a totally different personality than George Martin. George Martin never seemed to smile very much. Always gave me the impression he belonged in the Nazi party 2) The comparison to the lines in the cheeks between the guy at the piano & old Faul. Are you really able to assess someone's personality through 1 photo ?   Notice the same lines in the cheeks and the same receding hairline. Isn't this a much better match?.............And is that George smiling?  |
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Post by ViVi on Aug 31, 2004 4:19:39 GMT
Although there does seem to be a slight resemblance to George Martin, I still believe the piano player to be Bill before any plastic surgery. Also you rarely saw pictures of George Martin smiling. A Nazi interrogator would have the same deadpan expression, I would think I hope his face didn't crack with that smiling picture. |
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 31, 2004 5:06:02 GMT
Yes, at this stage there is still alot of specualtion. We would have to get better photos of The Pepperpots before we could make better comparisons.
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 31, 2004 5:54:10 GMT
Although there does seem to be a slight resemblance to George Martin, I still believe the piano player to be Bill before any plastic surgery. Well yes, George Martin does slightly resemble himself. Congratulations SK/BP you have at least one follower. I do hope the rest of the astute members of this forum exercise their common sense, lest they be in for a merry ride. |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 31, 2004 9:59:51 GMT
Are you really able to assess someone's personality through 1 photo ? Notice the same lines in the cheeks and the same receding hairline. Isn't this a much better match?.............And is that George smiling?  Yes, the "resemblance" with Geroge Martin is great. But "unfortunately" the hair line, the nose, the head shape and the ear position don't match.  Although it was 38 years ago and tons of plastic surgery on Billy's face there are STILL the "old" sign of his "old" cheeck. Here just all matches. If the comparison with George Martin would be "positive" we would have no problem to say: "Yes it's George Martin" It would be "easier" for us. Beware: avoid the equation "It seems to be = He is". All that matter is based on this psychology. Yes, at this stage there is still alot of specualtion. We would have to get better photos of The Pepperpots before we could make better comparisons. Perfectly agreed. |
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Post by abbey on Aug 31, 2004 18:47:04 GMT
SK, you are right, as usual. The nose does somewhat resemble George Martin, but the other identifiers don't match up. He is definitely Bill before the plastic surgery.
We always appreciate your observations and photo fades.
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Post by gracemer on Aug 31, 2004 18:55:21 GMT
I always appreciate them too, SK--very much. But that's still not Billy. Sister MA, how many natural blonds do you know who have black body hair? As a former swimmer I've seen hundreds of blond men in their trunks and nary a one with black body hair. Faul has black body hair as you well know.
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 31, 2004 19:58:16 GMT
Yes, the "resemblance" with Geroge Martin is great. But "unfortunately" the hair line, the nose, the head shape and the ear position don't match. Although it was 38 years ago and tons of plastic surgery on Billy's face there are STILL the "old" sign of his "old" cheeck. Here just all matches. If the comparison with George Martin would be "positive" we would have no problem to say: "Yes it's George Martin" It would be "easier" for us. Beware: avoid the equation "It seems to be = He is". All that matter is based on this psychology. Perfectly agreed. I concur as well SK, that your fades of Paul/Faul are well done and appreciated. However your contradictions and wild speculations are running rampant on this thread. This board is the laughing stock of all PID/PIA forums. Your inability to answer legitimate questions only detracts from what little credibility this board has remaining (and I'm a staunch advocate of PID/PWR). I no longer wonder why so many good people left here. And what about all the newcomers who have a sincere interest in PID/PWR? What are they supposed to think when you show them a picture of George Martin and tell them its Billy Sheperd? I'd run like hell. Sorry if this offends, that is not my intent, the truth can be harsh at times. |
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Post by ViVi on Aug 31, 2004 20:03:21 GMT
I have to concur with Red Lion. This is a tough one, it really is. When I look at the fades comparing Faul in Kenya with the piano photo, the resemblance does seem to be there. However, I also see a strong resemblance to George Martin. This one has me stymied. ViVi ( I still stand by what I said concerning George Martin usually looking like a Nazi Interrogator ) |
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Post by eyeon the truth on Aug 31, 2004 20:20:08 GMT
Yes, the "resemblance" with Geroge Martin is great. But "unfortunately" the hair line, the nose, the head shape and the ear position don't match. dude, you can't even see his ear. It's obviously a much younger photo of George then the ones you are comparing it to. |
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Post by Delta on Aug 31, 2004 20:49:07 GMT
Your inability to answer legitimate questions only detracts from what little credibility this board has remaining (and I'm a staunch advocate of PID/PWR). unfortunately, i agree. and added to that: beatlepaul, are you really sun king? if so, please use only one identity, because it's confusing. |
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Post by JamesPaul & Brian on Aug 31, 2004 21:11:35 GMT
I concur as well SK, that your fades of Paul/Faul are well done and appreciated. However your contradictions and wild speculations are running rampant on this thread. This board is the laughing stock of all PID/PIA forums. Your inability to answer legitimate questions only detracts from what little credibility this board has remaining (and I'm a staunch advocate of PID/PWR). I no longer wonder why so many good people left here. And what about all the newcomers who have a sincere interest in PID/PWR? What are they supposed to think when you show them a picture of George Martin and tell them its Billy Sheperd? I'd run like hell. Sorry if this offends, that is not my intent, the truth can be harsh at times. What are newcomers supposed to think when they see such impatience among members here? I think there was a post many months ago here about Faul calling himself "Bill Martini" soon after he was out of the Beatles. Does anyone remember where that post is? The resemblance to George Martin is strong but, make no mistake, that is not George in that picture. Perhaps a relative of his? Sir George...billy.... Why all this fuss about one picture? It must be SO important...? |
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 31, 2004 21:32:54 GMT
What are newcomers supposed to think when they see such impatience among members here? I think there was a post many months ago here about Faul calling himself "Bill Martini" soon after he was out of the Beatles. Does anyone remember where that post is? The resemblance to George Martin is strong but, make no mistake, that is not George in that picture. Perhaps a relative of his? Sir George...billy.... Why all this fuss about one picture? It must be SO important...? No mistake has been made, that is George Martin. As to the fuss over this picture, an erroneous claim has been put forth as fact and needs to be corrected or offered as speculation. The entire issue of PID/PWR is both lengthy and detail oriented. It can be confusing even for those who have studied it, let alone newcomers. No one deserves to be misled any further in this matter. So yes it is important. |
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Post by LUCY on Sept 22, 2004 20:31:05 GMT
can anyone provide a band member list for Billy Pepper?
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Post by Sdxo lv Ghdg on Sept 23, 2004 2:50:21 GMT
  .... and that character has his left hand darker than his left one (I don't know the reason why) JUST LIKE Billy on Sgt. Pepper photo session ... Maybe because he drives a car built with the operators controls on the left. The tan results from his arm exposed to the sun. |
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 23, 2004 3:26:31 GMT
Hmmm. Pigmentosa Varioso.
Also, it seems his right leg, which is crossed over the left, is poised to kick that Coke-Cola bottle with the rose in it. Hmmm...Product placement? Or did Macca have a thing with Coca-Cola? Well, most everybody likes it.
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Post by TotalInformation on Sept 23, 2004 4:13:14 GMT
James Paul McCartney drank Coca-Cola. "He shoot Coca-Cola," and smoked cannabis while the other three were tripping on LSD. FAUL, on the other hand shot heroin some and enjoyed The Other White Coke(tm) for a good decade.
And AFAIK, "Macca" was only a Lennon nickname for FAUL, not for James Paul...
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Post by PaulBearer on Sept 23, 2004 4:49:10 GMT
In general, isn't the term "macca" used as an insult? If something is "macca", that means it's crap doesn't it?
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Post by Red Lion on Sept 23, 2004 5:18:07 GMT
And AFAIK, "Macca" was only a Lennon nickname for FAUL, not for James Paul... John said "are you ready, Macca?" on the Anthology 2 cd in "You've got to hide your love away." |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Sept 23, 2004 10:15:42 GMT
Maybe because he drives a car built with the operators controls on the left. The tan results from his arm exposed to the sun. EXCELLENT NOTE! Thank you! Was he a Major then, the assistant of a Sergent (as in MMT)? When one is out the Police for dismission from Major he becomes automatically Sergent. |
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