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Post by LUCY on Aug 8, 2004 23:52:28 GMT
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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 9, 2004 11:16:58 GMT
"It was twenty years ago today
Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play
They've been going in and out in style
But they're guaranteed to raise a smile
So may I introduce to you
The act you've known for all these years..."
BTW Why Faul says "they" and not "we"?......
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Post by gracemer on Aug 9, 2004 15:08:57 GMT
Here's my original post on Billy Pepper and the Pepper Pots. If anyone can get a copy of this at a vintage store, the inside cover is supposed to have a picture of Billy Pepper/William Sheppard:
Faul / Re: Exclusive for you all: '64 book by Billy Sheph on: Nov 16th, 2003, 9:40pm Started by 60IF Admin | Post by gracemer Forgive me if this is old news. I'm pretty excited. After finally getting around to reading #9's post, I decided to search the web to see if I could buy a copy of the book somewhere and stumbled across this: There was a band in the early 60's called Billy Pepper and the Pepper Pots who played Beatle songs on an album called "Merseyside" (in the UK) and "Liverpool Beats" (in the US). One of the band members' names is Billy Shepherd. They say the band disappeared without a trace afterwards. Here's the link to the vintage music group posting I found and you should be able to find the other group postings on this band. groups.google.com/groups?q=billy+pepper+and+the+pepperpots&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=fh8y3.7852%24ei1.15862%40newsfeeds.bigpond.com&rnum=1and here is a link to photos on the album. The cover is supposed to have one big photo, but I haven't been able to track it down. The photos aren't very clear, but can anyone spot a possible pre-plastic surgery "Sgt. Billy Pepper"? www.franklarosa.com/vinyl/BigImg/beats.jpg
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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 9, 2004 22:26:45 GMT
From: peter tiffen tiffo@bigpond.comSubject: Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles Date: 1999/08/29 Dear Beatles fans,
I have an self-titled album by a Liverpool Merseybeat group from 1963 called Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots.
I found it among a stack of old vinyl at a second hand shop one day.
I have always wondered whether Paul McCartney got the inspiration for the name of the Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band album from this group particularly because the lead singer of the group, Billy Pepper, is also billed on the album as being a person called Billy Shepherd _ very close to the fictional Billy Shears (shepherds use shears to shear sheep right?Sounds like something John Lennon might have come up with) on the classic Beatles album.
I have never been able to find out anything about the group or Billy Shepherd _ I suspect the record was made to cash in at the time on the popularity of the Mersey sound _ and I have always read that McCartney just made the Sgt Pepper name up.
Can anyone Beatles experts shed some light?An "insider" putting clues, then? |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 9, 2004 23:02:29 GMT
....and... 60IF doesn't tell that Bill was Canadian but: "His name was William Sheppard and he was with the Canadian Provost Corps, a division of the Canadian Military Police. "....and... YELLOW and RED were the official colors of the Canadian Provost CorpsYELLOW and RED were the colors of the SGT. PEPPER CD BOOKLETYELLOW and RED were the colors of the shoes worn by Faul in Mal Evan's videos. |
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Post by unrepentant on Aug 10, 2004 2:46:55 GMT
www.psychedelicado.com/blog/showrecord.php?record_id=1884&performer=Billy%20Pepper%20and%20the%20Pepperpots&title=Merseymaniaalthough i was a big-time record collector and [small-time record dealer] i must confess i have never owned this LP. anyway, here are my musings on this : it makes sense that faul was the same exuberant ham in '63 that he was in '73.... so assuming of course that it's the same bill shepperd, i find it intersting that he got to front a beatles knock-off band right around the time the fab four hit it big. could he have been a friend of mal evans even before mal became a close friend of the beatles  you see, i am starting to sense a big picture here.... the people on this board claiming paul wanted out of the beatles early on may have been onto something.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 10, 2004 11:44:03 GMT
...and here is a link to photos on the album. The cover is supposed to have one big photo, but I haven't been able to track it down. The photos aren't very clear, but can anyone spot a possible pre-plastic surgery "Sgt. Billy Pepper"? www.franklarosa.com/vinyl/BigImg/beats.jpg   Sadly a too low quality for a reliable comparison but.... |
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Post by gracemer on Aug 10, 2004 17:00:06 GMT
Notice he's playing left-handed.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 10, 2004 19:50:48 GMT
Notice he's playing left-handed.      ...but only in that (flipped) picture... |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 10, 2004 21:45:15 GMT
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Post by unrepentant on Aug 12, 2004 1:45:47 GMT
i'd love to see an early promo write-up for billy P and the pepperpots, wouldn't you?....wouldn't it be freaky if he were connected with the canadian police dept?
there is one small problem, though....bill shepperd was said to play piano only, not guitar. am i correct there?
he's shown with a guitar on the publicity photos; i wonder whether someone else played the guitar parts in the studio? it was common practice then.
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 12, 2004 3:16:51 GMT
bill shepperd was said to play piano only, not guitar. am i correct there?
It's not like Faul is much of a guitar player...
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Post by gracemer on Aug 12, 2004 4:10:33 GMT
Vintage record collector clubs called it rubbish.
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Post by The Taxman on Aug 12, 2004 16:24:35 GMT
Lucy...so far this is the first I've ever heard of the Pepperpots and that recording. Sheppard has a lot of explaining to do.
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Post by The Taxman on Aug 12, 2004 16:31:21 GMT
For Gracemer: the photo is flipped...even the muddy shot that it is...all of the guitars are flipped...no company, especially Fender, made left handed guitars then. Somebody has got to clean up that shot as it might lead to something. We've built quite a case here and it is going in the books somewhere, so we have to get on with it!
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Post by gracemer on Aug 12, 2004 17:07:44 GMT
Thanks Taxman but BeatlePaul already enlightened me a few posts back.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 13, 2004 15:26:57 GMT
i'd love to see an early promo write-up for billy P and the pepperpots, wouldn't you?....wouldn't it be freaky if he were connected with the canadian police dept? there is one small problem, though....bill shepperd was said to play piano only, not guitar. am i correct there? he's shown with a guitar on the publicity photos; i wonder whether someone else played the guitar parts in the studio? it was common practice then. First photos of Billy already as Faul show him on piano or on keyboards and rarely on bass guitar. He had a good hand position on keyboards probably much better than Paul himself. Faul's first performance on guitar was during the visit in India (1968). There he played guitar with just one or two fingers at the same time on gutar keys. Not a professional way at all. And on that cover Billy's hands position on the guitar is not so "professional" too. |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 14, 2004 11:52:40 GMT
www.psychedelicado.com/blog/showrecord.php?record_id=1884&performer=Billy%20Pepper%20and%20the%20Pepperpots&title=Merseymaniaalthough i was a big-time record collector and [small-time record dealer] i must confess i have never owned this LP. anyway, here are my musings on this : it makes sense that faul was the same exuberant ham in '63 that he was in '73.... so assuming of course that it's the same bill shepperd, i find it intersting that he got to front a beatles knock-off band right around the time the fab four hit it big. could he have been a friend of mal evans even before mal became a close friend of the beatles you see, i am starting to sense a big picture here.... the people on this board claiming paul wanted out of the beatles early on may have been onto something.  A Mal Evans' brother ( the first on the right) in that Band ? |
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Post by unrepentant on Aug 15, 2004 3:12:33 GMT
so mal evans' brother introduced mal to his bandmate....BILLY SHEARS? ["what would you think if i sang out a tune....] ? mama mia! this would fill in some gaps in the mystery. when mal evans first heard that john paul was dead, and that it was possible to "replace" him with the help of covert gov't agencies if the right person was found, he remembered his brother's bandmate BILL SHEPHERD and approached HIM with the offer to substitute for paul. it wasn't that bill was in some "pod" like INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS...no, he was a young, enthusiastic beatle "wannabe". |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 15, 2004 9:10:35 GMT
so mal evans' brother introduced mal to his bandmate....BILLY SHEARS? ["what would you think if i sang out a tune....] ? mama mia! this would fill in some gaps in the mystery. when mal evans first heard that john paul was dead, and that it was possible to "replace" him with the help of covert gov't agencies if the right person was found, he remembered his brother's bandmate BILL SHEPHERD and approached HIM with the offer to substitute for paul. it wasn't that bill was in some "pod" like INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS...no, he was a young, enthusiastic beatle "wannabe". Some intelligent people still in this world. |
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Post by gracemer on Aug 15, 2004 16:38:24 GMT
That would mean the decision to replace Paul was made immediately upon learning of his death and then permitting the Beatles, et al. to participate in the replacement decision. In order to do this as quickly as they did, Paul's death had to have been planned beforehand. There was no hesitation as you'd normally expect in this situation as the news was suppressed the same day his body was discovered, if you get my drift.
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Post by unrepentant on Aug 16, 2004 0:22:46 GMT
so....EMI was a "jealous lover" who tried to take out the beatles, after they pulled a fast one on "the largest recording organization in the world"?? does this imply mal evans was one of the "bad guys" |
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Post by gracemer on Aug 16, 2004 1:25:17 GMT
EMI and the remaining Beatles probably learned of Paul's death at the same time. Even EMI couldn't stop the presses. But they knew people who could. It certainly could have been Mal Evans who remembered "Billy."
I don't see EMI slaughtering a cash cow because it strayed into another pasture, unless EMI isn't just a record company, and it appears they aren't (weren't). I'm just interjecting the illuminati angle. My only point is that the decision to replace was made within minutes of Paul's death if not beforehand...it didn't develop and gain momentum over a period of weeks.
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 16, 2004 2:43:03 GMT
According to 60IF, Billy wasn't their first choice. And they had almost given up finding a replacement until Billy came along so, based on that, it doesn't appear that the replacement was planned beforehand.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 16, 2004 21:36:24 GMT
Yes, indeed. And much much more. The character index, where everything is lined out, its very intriguing, my feeling is that they´re trying to " put it in front of you" They did put it all in front of us! Billy Shephe rd Sgt. PepperJohn gives us all the goods and if we can't understand what he's saying its only our Faul(t). |
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