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Post by gracemer on Dec 27, 2004 0:14:57 GMT
That's the only reason I can see why Doris would be replaced--to see if they could get away with it. But this idea is fantastic. Supposing they run out and start a lookalike as soon as someone they think they can use gets rich/famous/powerful. Then....invasion of the body snatchers. It eliminates the need to "turn" someone to their way of thinking.
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Post by sinbad on Dec 27, 2004 0:34:12 GMT
Well in Doris' biography on E!, they talk about anxiety attacks she was having in the mid-50's. The doctor told her she was doing too much(she made 18 movies in 7 years, between 1948-1954) I think what happened is either she wanted out of the business or she wanted a break. Possibly it's at this point they replaced her. She made too much money for the movie industry for them to stop.
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Post by abbey on Dec 27, 2004 14:51:06 GMT
Is it just me, or does that sound familiar ? Paul and the boys were run ragged by Brian. It's not that Brian meant them ill, it's just that he wanted to get what he could while they were still hot. Who could imagine that they would become as big as they did. Noone had before, or has since ! Queen was very big also, but NOT as big as The Beatles.
The others may not have liked it, but they tolerated the pace. Paul was not a very well man & he was just plain exhausted. He couldn't keep it up indefinitely. It could be that he considered the idea of a lookalike replacement. Maybe he even went along with it in the beginning. Then, he thought better of it. Maybe he was tired, but he wasn't so tired that he would be willing to give up everything he worked so hard to accomplish. It can't be easy to give up your own name. And, he was a gemini. Most geminis are FAMOUS for being incapable of making up their minds !
Just a few things to think over & consider.
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Post by gracemer on Dec 27, 2004 14:59:55 GMT
The theory that Paul retired would take care of a lot of the PID problems...such as why everyone kept quiet. Sick, exhausted or whatever, I think he must have subsequently died. I can't see Paul letting Billy tarnish his image the way he did. Does.
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Post by abbey on Dec 27, 2004 15:08:15 GMT
Let me clarify what I said. I didn't mean to insinuate that Paul retired & subsequently died. What I was saying is that he was exhausted & wanted out. I'm sure he wanted to retire. However, I'm also fairly certain that he wasn't quite ready to give up his own name & subsequently, credit for everything that he worked so hard to accomplish. I think this is where the falling out occurred. He might've initially considered being replaced by a lookalike, but then thought better of it.
The Powers That Be had already decided that they liked the idea of sticking a lookalike in his place. They saw that the Doris/ Foris thing went over very well. Who knows who else they had replaced at that point ?
They wanted him to stick to his end of the bargain. He most likely refused. That's when things got ugly, & Paul wound up DEAD !
What good was he to them ? They saw that his temperament was mercurial. They wanted someone who would take orders & do what they said & LIKE IT !
Look at most of the early photos of Bill. He's the ONLY one who looks ecstatic !
He LIKED the lifestyle that went along with being James Paul McCartney !
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Post by gracemer on Dec 28, 2004 3:38:40 GMT
You know, Sis? I think you might be on to something there with Paul wanting to retire (he said so publicly several times) and then wanting to come back. It could be that he wanted to come back as soon as they replaced him with a double, because he thought the band would either stop altogether or else get a new bass player. Not much time elapsed between Paul's last public appearance and Billy's debut. I'm still troubled by the family photos with fake Paul in them.
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Post by abbey on Dec 28, 2004 18:03:47 GMT
Those photos bother me too. I found another photo of Paul with his dad. But 1st, look at these photos :   Both of these appear to be from the same interview. This guy doesn't look like Paul or Faul ! And check this photo out. Faul's face looks discolored !  Onto the photo I found of Paul & Jim:  Also, I found another photo of Paul from the Revolver Sessions. He's wearing his PRESCRIPTION glasses !  |
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Post by beldabeast on Dec 29, 2004 0:26:46 GMT
<<< The reason why would be that Doris was a hot commodity at the time, and so it may have been as cold blooded as that. Lots of lost sales, so why not? << In my opinion celebrities can always be created and uncreated and replaced with another one . If something happened to Doris , up would pop another one for the public to shift their adorations and movie ticket budgets to . I feel the replacement if it occurred to be political . |
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Post by abbey on Dec 30, 2004 14:56:47 GMT
How so, Belda ?
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Post by beldabeast on Jan 11, 2005 2:30:14 GMT
In my opinion celebrities can always be created and uncreated and replaced with another one .
If something happened to Doris , up would pop
another one for the public to shift their adorations and movie ticket budgets to .
I feel the replacement if it occurred to be political .
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How so, Belda ?
Television particulary is used to present a altered reality to the masses as a whole .
It works like that emperors clothes thing , except on steroids .
The lone viewer is isolated from the other people and is fed these false images which he can see is false but assumes everyone else believes not realizing many others are thinking the same thing .
There is no loud mouthed little boy to break the spell .
I think the powers understood to use television to promote a false reality the medium itself had to be framed in falsehood . What better way than to kill off
well known celebrities and replace them with not all that convincing looka likes ?
While at the same time having a threat to use to keep the industry in line .
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Post by beldabeast on Jan 11, 2005 2:43:54 GMT
>>You know, Sis? I think you might be on to something there with Paul wanting to retire (he said so publicly several times) and then wanting to come back. <<<
I have come to doubt the Beatles ever really wanted to retire . Here are some reasons why .
They spent six years starving while playing 2 bit gigs in
the early days . Why would they quit just when they are making money and riding in jets and staying in exclusive hotels and having no resistance to getting their material recorded ?
There is the old dis -info about the boys being frustrated because they could not walk the streets and go to Mickey-D's . None of those entertainment icons can ! Not Dick Clarke or Gyneth Paltrow or Matt Dillion or Kevin Bacon . I doubt they really care to. They move in exclusive circles and probally like it that way .
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Post by unrepentant on Jan 11, 2005 5:58:23 GMT
"......to see if they could pull it off and to see just how gullible the public were." [earlier in this thread] then how do we explain the NON-emergence of perhaps the ultimate celebrity replacement.... F E L V I S  ;D ;D just wondering. |
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 11, 2005 13:20:24 GMT
Some were just too risky, some were known to be dead too fast for there to be a coverup, and some were purposely allowed to be dead to traumatise the public ie: JFK. It would probably have been to dangerous to replace someone with such a high profile as Marilyn Monroe - I don't think they could've pulled that one off if they tried. As regards to Elvis, there is some speculation that he faked his death deliberately. Therefore, naturally he wasn't replaced. Under that scenario, he wanted to be dead in the eyes of the public, though with all the Elvis impersonators out there, it may've been quite possible to have replaced him sucessfully I'm no expert when it comes to him so I'm just guessing. Now, getting back to Doris/Foris...  |
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Post by abbey on Jan 11, 2005 17:23:04 GMT
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Post by beldabeast on Jan 13, 2005 9:11:53 GMT
Belda, I agree about The Beatles. They didn't want to quit. They were happy in that lifestyle. Paul, was not. I'm not sure myself why he wasn't. I can make a few educated guesses though. Maybe due to his health concerns, he just couldn't keep up the pace anylonger. Brian ran them ragged. I guess to him, he already had enough money than he could ever need. So, he just wanted to stop while he still could. Maybe he was afraid that if he allowed his health to continue to deteriorate, no amount of money could buy it back   They could have taken a sabbattical of sorts . At least cut down on the touring . I just reject the popular justifications for the permament dissolution of the most popular rock act of all time . |
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Post by abbey on Jan 13, 2005 18:06:14 GMT
I couldn't agree with you more.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 25, 2005 5:42:12 GMT
The E! True Hollywood Story
ETV Jan 30 08:00am ET
Series/Documentary, 120 Mins.
"Doris Day", Episode #276.
The real life of the '50s actress Doris Day.
Original Airdate: January 20, 2002.
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Post by beldabeast on Feb 19, 2005 19:09:32 GMT
Any chance we will get some Doris VS Fauris animated comparison thingys ?
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Post by TotalInformation on Feb 21, 2005 19:06:38 GMT
The E! True Hollywood Story
ETV Mar 01 10:00am ET
Series/Documentary, 120 Mins.
"Doris Day", Episode #276.
The real life of the '50s actress Doris Day.
Original Airdate: January 20, 2002.
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My favorite part is where they talk about a car accident Kappelhoff was in "at age 13" while clearly showing a newspaper clipping that reports her age as 18.
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Post by gracemer on Feb 22, 2005 8:21:25 GMT
At what age did she begin making movies? If she died at 18 there's been a Foris practically from the get-go!
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Post by TotalInformation on Feb 22, 2005 9:30:06 GMT
not a fatal wreck
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Post by gracemer on Feb 25, 2005 17:57:30 GMT
Then what? Sorry, if the answer is here, I missed it. Where's the real Doris? Rather, where was she when Foris took her place?
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Post by beldabeast on Mar 2, 2005 14:58:19 GMT
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Post by michelle53 on Aug 3, 2005 17:21:57 GMT
My father has been a dentist for 50+ years, and is a contemporary of Doris Day. When I showed him the Doris/Foris photos, he unequivocally stated that the teeth are of two different women. Said he never would have believed it if he hadn't seen the evidence.
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Post by plastic paul on Aug 3, 2005 22:50:19 GMT
I saw 5 minutes of a film with her the other day, i couldnt tell which one it was but i knew that she appeared different to her "other" incarnation.
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