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Dec 6, 2011 19:30:16 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 6, 2011 19:30:16 GMT
Just in time for 2012, Supernatural warfare and the Beatles. willemaus.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/922-the-conspiracy/I'm not a Christian, nor am I moralizing about Rock and Roll. However I believe to understand this you do have to understand and make use of a purely Christian system. Objects of Wrath and Destruction, as defined in Romans 9:22, are people who have been tagged by God for some sort of spiritual purpose. It doesn't mean they don't have a soul, but somehow in life they become something of a pawn in a supernatural story. Examples of Romans 9:22 Objects of Wrath and Destruction in scripture would be Pharaoh, Esau, Job, Judas and even Jesus Himself. John Lennon, in my view, is also one of those people. It's equally important as part of this to understand another principle that goes along with Romans 9:22; that being James 1:13 which states that God cannot have any part of sin, including tempting it. This means, that because sin is naturally involved in the setting up of a person as an Object of Wrath and Destruction, that demons, under orders from God, are actually implementing the structure to "set this person up" because God cannot have anything to do with it. We see this in Satan's documented possession of Judas in scripture in order to betray Jesus. We see it in what was done to Job's family under permission from God. We even see it in the founding of the nation of Israel, where God made a promise to Jacob's mother but due to Jacob having sinned to acquire the blessing and thus the nation of Israel, God could have had nothing to do with how the prophecy was fulfilled. Now add that presence, to the Beatles drama. See blue meanies, magic, the joker and the mystery tramp for who they are. In none of this do I think it's John Lennon's fault, he's a flawed person just like all of us who happened to get singled out. The key piece in this idea that there was a demonic presence in the happenings of the sixties/seventies is in Hotel Number 9. This video does not have a lot of views, but analytics tell me who does view it and it has been watched over and over by some very significant accounts, although none of them ever acknowledge its presence to me. Draw your own conclusion as to why. This mash up of Revolution Number 9 and Hotel California tells us a couple of things. One is that from 2:36 forward it is a much tighter synchronicity than is Dark Side of the Moon and the Wizard of Oz. Listen to the placement of John Lennon's voice coming in as Don Henley sings and those voices coming in from far away. Then listen to the placement of the "shhhs" in the third verse of HC. At 3:57, as Don Henley sings about "Stab it with their steely knives but they just can't kill the Beast", John Lennon starts to make his wounded sound in Revolution Number 9. Turn Hotel California around backwards right at that point and it says "John Lennon by himself". There is a link on the video to play HC backwards at that point. It basically can be taken not as a clue to Paul's death, but a foreshadowing of John's. The most intriguing thing about the video, and where I believe it is demonically driven rather than intended by the Eagles, is that Hotel California was released on December 8th 1976. This was exactly 9 years after Magical Mystery Tour's release and the poster The Best Way to Go is by MDC. Hence the significance of number 9. The same day that Hotel California was released, the cast of six million dollar man found old west outlaw Elmer McCurdy in an amusement park in Long Beach. Which gives you turn me on dead man on this date as well. Of course, December 8th 1976 is also 4 years to the day before John Lennon died. The other connections listed in the article are interesting as well, and tell the story that although the Beatles seemed to be the center of this story, that it wasn't about only them. Take a look, see what you think...
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Dec 10, 2011 17:31:27 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 10, 2011 17:31:27 GMT
Take a streetcar named Desire and then transfer to one called Cemeteries before ending up on Elysian Fields .
Note the streetcar number.
Precognition, how is it explained? Romans 9:22 plus James 1:13.
Satan knew what was going to happen to Jesus before it happened because he played a role in causing it.
Someone was trying to tell you something, all along...
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Dec 12, 2011 16:04:34 GMT
Post by beacon on Dec 12, 2011 16:04:34 GMT
If I am interpreting your point about precognition correctly are you saying that everything that has happened to Lennon and McCartney was preordained or that they were manipulated into a certain course of action to suit a bigger plan?
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Dec 12, 2011 17:38:09 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 12, 2011 17:38:09 GMT
Yep, that's my theory. It's impossible to state as a fact of course but I'm trying to display as much evidence of it as I can find.
December 8th 1941 is when the US entered WWII. Imo, this is why this date continues to be pointed to again and again. John Lennon, then Razzle Dingley, then Dimebag. All December 8th.
The principle works. Romans 9:22 gives God the license to mistreat on earth for some higher agenda; His inability to abide in sin however means that he gives people that are tagged over to the devil. From there, a script would commence.
The numbers and synchronicities are not the Anti-Christ per se'. I don't think JFK was assassinated exactly 922 days before June 1st 1966 (6/66) because of a sign of the Anti-Christ or something, I see it as more of a business card. The Anti-Christ could be hundreds of years away for all we know, but it doesn't mean everyone is sleeping in the meantime...
Here is some evidence of a script being played out.
The Attica Riot happened on 09/09 coincidentally, in 1971. This is the same date that Imagine was released.
John and Yoko do the Attica state song and then are confronted by two audience members, one who happens to ask Yoko point blank how she would respond if an Attica prisoner happened to kill one of her family members at 5:55 in the clip.
Now, check out the dude just to the right of her. Look somewhat familiar, like how John's assassin is going to look 9 years in the future before being locked away in Attica prison?
I came up with the principle first, then applied it to the Beatles later. It isn't proof, but it's evidence and the principle of 922 explains how this sort of script as it relates to precognition could take place.
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Dec 13, 2011 10:26:01 GMT
Post by beacon on Dec 13, 2011 10:26:01 GMT
I think we both share a similar theme within our theories but are coming at them from different perspectives. Without wishing to be in anyway critical, for your 922 theory to be correct you have to accept entirely what the bible says. Satan and the anti-christ are entirely christian concepts based on the very man made image of god that christianity presents. In old, pagan religions there was no devil, just many gods. When the Romans hit upon using the concept of using christianity it was as a form of social and economic control. This is why their monotheiastic god is perceived as being human in form and a male. To counter this they devised satan as the counter point - the very image of evil - so that, in simple terms, god and all that believe in him are good and anyone that disagrees is a heathen or devil worshipper and therefore bad. My contention is that this is all nonsense. The Romans crucified christ and were always pagan. That the very centre of christianity should be centred around Rome is the biggest paradox of all time. I believe that christianity and all modern religions are a sham and that those at the very pinnacle of society have always known this and have set about to conceal the truth very carefully. Somehow PID is about this. Lennon knew, or believed he knew the truth. Maybe he died because he was threatening to go public. McCartney has chosen a different, far more subtle approach to the release of information. Whether he wishes to reveal or conceal the truth is a matter for debate.
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Dec 13, 2011 15:59:37 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 13, 2011 15:59:37 GMT
So, what if the spirit activity is real but they have a vested interest in making it seem like the embodiment of a Biblical principle?
Its a possibility...I'm not 100% sold that Good and Evil isn't the true hoax, the spirit activity is real however...
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Dec 13, 2011 18:11:19 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 13, 2011 18:11:19 GMT
In fact, one could argue that PID in a certain way is a metaphor for Christianity...
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Dec 15, 2011 9:41:48 GMT
Post by beacon on Dec 15, 2011 9:41:48 GMT
One could indeed make that argument, the trick may be deciphering who plays what role. Is Paul Apollo or John the Baptist?
You may be right about Good v Evil. It is too black and white.
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Dec 15, 2011 16:09:13 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 15, 2011 16:09:13 GMT
It starts with a fairly simple question in fact. Is God a Christian?
Its actually more difficult for me to reconcile whether the principles are congruent than whether supernatural activity was on display through the Beatles. The second part is a blatant yes imo, the first part is still up in the air to me.
We know John was very into the Passover Plot when he did the Maureen Cleaves interview; the question is if you spread a story stating that something is true, does it then become truth?
I mean, PID all came right on the heels of More Popular than Jesus...may not be entirely coincidental...
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Dec 19, 2011 10:14:13 GMT
Post by beacon on Dec 19, 2011 10:14:13 GMT
There is no coincidence about the timing of this coming just after 'Bigger than Jesus'. I think the Beatles, particularly John and Paul, had begun to see themselves in god-like terms. The adoration they received and the fact that it seemed as if they could do no wrong embued within them a sense that they were more than mere mortals. Clearly, Lennon came to realise just how mortal he actually was, however, I digress. It is also no concidence that John and Paul were introduced to Schoenfields the Passover Plot and other authors like Nietzsche by the Indica crowd, which included Robert Fraser. My contention is that this was a deliberate ploy to get the lads to believe they were almighty as part of a plot to manipulate Brian Epstein out of the picture so that Fraser et al, could manage the Beatles. Once you have got them questioning conventional religion the more occult aspect is introduced via Kenneth Anger who in turn turns them on to Crowley. In an instant you have the two biggest bands in the world, the Beatles and the Stones, talking about and praising Crowley and the occult. Introduce the supposedly hidden knowledge of the masonic secret societies like the OTO and you have the seeds for the Beatles religious hoax. Unfortunately for the Beatles the clues were mis-interpreted to mean that Paul had died, rather than been re-born, and the whole PID legacy began.
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Dec 19, 2011 15:42:11 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 19, 2011 15:42:11 GMT
Here is a great reference for exactly what you are saying. www.internationaltimes.it/archive/index.php?year=1967&volume=IT-Volume-1&issue=6&item=IT_1967-01-16_B-IT-Volume-1_Iss-6_008-009Notice however that Paul considers himself 2, which means he himself is pointing back to early 1965 as to when whatever commenced. Help! is taken to be much more innocent than it may actually be. Funny too if you go to the end of the interview and look at the cartoon underneath you see a Seedy Bee's Mystery Tour with the aim being a psychedelic church. Paul always pointed towards April '67 as the genesis of MMT but it would seem to be right here, residing with Paul's friends...
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Dec 19, 2011 16:31:43 GMT
Post by beacon on Dec 19, 2011 16:31:43 GMT
Yes, I was aware of this article and I have always thought it highly significant. Barry Miles has made his entire career of the back of his links to McCartney and you wonder why. He, like Robert Fraser, was highly influential to Paul, possibly even to the extent of brainwashing him. The Sandy Bees Mystery Tour cartoon is a classic example. McCartney has always stated it was his idea, yet here is the proof that it wasn't. How many other ideas / creations have been subliminally suggested?
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Dec 19, 2011 17:49:35 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 19, 2011 17:49:35 GMT
Exodus 3:14 - God said to Moses, 'I am that I am'. And he said, 'Say this to the people of Israel, ''I am has sent me to you''. Aiwass I Was You're burning our records for an honest statement, but your football team is still all-white? Would the Beatles really just lay down and take that? Attachments:
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Dec 21, 2011 17:50:21 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 21, 2011 17:50:21 GMT
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Dec 22, 2011 16:19:11 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 22, 2011 16:19:11 GMT
How many weeks old was Julian Lennon when his father was killed? Attachments:
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Dec 24, 2011 16:03:20 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 24, 2011 16:03:20 GMT
Julian also happened to be born precisely 922 weeks after the Hiroshima bomb.
A script being carried out, and breadcrumbs to display it...
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Dec 24, 2011 16:17:51 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 24, 2011 16:17:51 GMT
Hold that line, block that kick.
The announcement of John Lennon's death on Monday Night Football on December 8th 1980 by Howard Cosell, delivered as New England was lining up to kick a field goal with :03 seconds remaining.
Note the raised hands of the Patriots as Cosell speaks, mimicking the hand over Paul's head as well as the nod of John Smith to coincide with Dead on Arrival.
With all of the effort that has been put into seeing what happened with Paul, you don't suppose that maybe part of the point was to not see what happened with John?
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Dec 25, 2011 16:22:02 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 25, 2011 16:22:02 GMT
Of course most of us know that the picture below, with John selling tickets, contains the initials of Mark David Chapman and was part of Magical Mystery Tour, which was released exactly 13 years before John's death on December 8th 1967.
The scene itself however was shot on September 22nd, it was shot on 9/22.
Ticket to Ride itself is significant as well, its the song buried underneath the heartbeat at the end of Dark Side of the Moon...
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Dec 25, 2011 16:28:08 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 25, 2011 16:28:08 GMT
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Dec 26, 2011 7:48:08 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 26, 2011 7:48:08 GMT
Ironically, on Julian's 3rd birthday the April 8th 1966 issue of Time was the infamous Is God dead issue. On page 8 of the story www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,835309-8,00.html is a reference to a mock obituary for God written by an Atlanta based periodical called Motive, that lists God's date of death as November 9th of all dates. This also was the issue being read in the doctor's office by Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby.
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Dec 26, 2011 16:57:42 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 26, 2011 16:57:42 GMT
Now, maybe at this point it seems like an exercise in Apophenia, although one should keep in mind that Apophenia carries no statistical model to discern whether in fact synchronicities may actually lead to a correct conclusion, but lets start to tie these two divergent paths together.
One is what the Beatles were intending, and the other is what was being intended through them.
Temptation should be understood in this context: Temptation to sin is met with the resistance of free will. Temptation to create is embraced.
In other words, its much easier to tempt someone to do something that synchronizes with a spiritual agenda when the person being tempted has no moral conflict with the input. Creativity, musically or artistically, is the perfect avenue for this type of temptation to take place. The artists simply refer to it as a muse.
Nietzsche referred to God is dead for the first time I believe in the Gay Science in 1882.
John meanwhile had to be corrected on the pronunciation of Nietzche when originally asking about him at the Indica in 1966. Paul at this point is the Avant-Garde Beatle and John is an avid reader but mostly an anti-intellectual househusband whose lifestyle may be holding him back from the enlightenment that Paul is receiving; although he is experienced in LSD and Paul is still resisting apparently.
All of this begins to slowly change however when John meets Yoko on, of course, November 9th 1966.
And this is where the two paths cross. One is what was actually intended with the One One One X drum clue and the other is that John's life path was profoundly altered by meeting Yoko Ono on the date pointed to on the drum.
Of course it should be understood that at the point that Sgt. Pepper was released, the meaning of the drum clue as it related to John's path could not yet have been known...and I will reiterate what is in the other thread. For the drum clue to have been planned at all means that the Lonely Hearts name must have been concocted with a drum clue in mind right from the very beginning.
Ordinal position of the letters L and H is 12 and 8. Which by the way also happens to be December 8th.
JFK was killed on November 22nd 1963, exactly 922 days before June 1st 1966 (6/66). Besides the Beatles 2nd LP and the first broadcast of Beatlemania in the US which both also happened on November 22nd 1963, two other prominent authors died.
CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley both died on November 22nd 1963. Again, L and H...
This starts the United States down a road towards the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which rather incredibly happens to a US Naval Fleet led by Jim Morrison's father and leads to the perfect set of conditions to create the sixties.
Jim Morrison in fact was born on December 8th...
There is a hand that you don't see unless you go through the looking glass...the Beatles were definitely doing something but something much stronger was happening through them, and they may in fact have been getting tempted right down the rabbit hole while only gradually understanding that...
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Dec 27, 2011 21:06:26 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Dec 27, 2011 21:06:26 GMT
Between the first Atomic bomb at Hiroshima and John Lennon's death was exactly 1844 weeks; or two sets of exactly 922 weeks.
Exactly between those two sets of 922 weeks, to the day, his son was born.
You'd have to reason out why this would be, but interestingly enough John later marries a Japanese woman, was ultimately shot by someone living in Hawaii who bought his gun from a dealer named Ono on the same date the US declared war after Pearl Harbor and was taken to Roosevelt Hospital.
John for a John, Johnajeams, led it be. -- Finnegan's Wake in 1939
Joyce wrote Finnegan's Wake over a 17-year-span, concurrent with Hitler's rise to power and did so deliberately courting random input. The Illuminatus Trilogy found the Atomic Formula in Finnegan's Wake, released 3 years before the formula itself was discovered.
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Jan 6, 2012 11:51:05 GMT
Post by beacon on Jan 6, 2012 11:51:05 GMT
Yoko is an interesting character for sure. Born to powerful parents with strong connections to the Japanese emperor. Her role in all this needs further investigation.
Your right about John needing to be corrected about his pronunciation of Nietzche at Indica. It is also where he obtained his copy of the passover plot.
Indica, of course, was run by Barry Miles, Peter Asher and John Dunbar and was bankrolled by Paul McCartney. Indica was also the gallery where Yoko exhibited and where John Dunbar introduced her to John on November 9, 1966. Incidentally, this exhibition was funded by Robert Fraser who stage managed the Sgt Pepper cover.
One might be tempted to think that John and Paul were being manipulated by these powerful and highly educated people, but surely not???
A word of caution, we need to be careful when atributing dates. L & H are indeed 12 and 8, but if this has a date reference then to a Brit like John it would be the 12th August. Likewise November 9 would be 9/11 and not 11/9.
Some excellent posts though, you always provide thought provoking material!
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Jan 6, 2012 14:28:37 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Jan 6, 2012 14:28:37 GMT
Remember the sort of dual purpose that I am positing is going on here. One angle is what the Beatles were intending which your posts are capturing wonderfully because I think this is what was actually taking place.
The other is how the phenomenon of temptation is communicating a story through them that they may only be vaguely aware of, if at all. In such a case, to communicate with the American date structure would be in play as the Beatles would not have been the ones intending it.
We think we know who John is talking about. But do we? Lucie?
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Jan 6, 2012 14:46:43 GMT
Post by fishdelusions on Jan 6, 2012 14:46:43 GMT
But now that you mentioned the date thing...
August 12th 1966. And there's their version of 8 and 12?
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