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Post by Michelle66 on Mar 16, 2005 9:38:56 GMT
Well you guys sure are observant, that's for sure. Look, I never claimed to be omnipotent. Maybe calling Paul a Beta male was not totally accurate. He obviously stood up to John many times. I've posted photos where he looked ready to "KILL" John ! However, he still deferred to John enough that John felt comfortable in their relationship. John definitely WAS an Alpha male. I'd like to see someone dispute THAT  Could you please explain to me the meaning of BETA and ALPHA male? Thanks |
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Post by abbey on Mar 16, 2005 15:41:34 GMT
Michelle - an alpha male is a man that has to be in charge. A beta male is a man that is more comfortable NOT being in charge. At least, that's the way I see it. If anyone else can give a better explanation...  OLE' ;D |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 16, 2005 21:03:58 GMT
Michelle - an alpha male is a man that has to be in charge. A beta male is a man that is more comfortable NOT being in charge. At least, that's the way I see it. If anyone else can give a better explanation... OLE' ;D Hey good pic there, Sis.  A few notes... 1) in this picture, all of the Beatles are wearing Matador's suits. The matador is the Alpha torero, if you will. To me this implies equality among the members. 2)Paul holds the sword 3)Paul's suit is suspiciously pink ( gasp!) You said that would never happen! My point is that color is symbolic when intended to be so, ( not so in this pic IMO ) but...maybe here  maybe Bill is just being the matador again... |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 16, 2005 23:04:43 GMT
  Sgt. Spinetti shows how to "matar" a bull (toro). Faul is learning. But that bull will become a cow .... and everybody will drink his DELICIOUS milk. Everything "under" the Union Jack (on the left). Is the bull/cow definitely a metaphor for the public, the people, the Beatles fans? |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 16, 2005 23:23:23 GMT
Sgt. Spinetti shows how to "matar" a bull (toro). Faul is learning. But that bull will become a cow .... and everybody will drink his DELICIOUS milk. Everything "under" the Union Jack (on the left). Is the bull/cow definitely a metaphor for the public, the people, the Beatles fans?  the comic strip version again... and the courier dispensing milk from the cow   that's a bell! bell , bill, bull lol So I think Aunt Jessy = the Queen |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 16, 2005 23:30:02 GMT
that's a bell! bell , bill, bull lol Typical John's humor! Where's the ball? So I think Aunt Jessy = the Queen Queen .... Elizabeth?  From the White Album Poster |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 16, 2005 23:34:44 GMT
 Since the TYPICAL shoes of the suit that's a VERY RELIABLE picture TO KNOW THE TRUE HEIGHTS of THE BEATLES components. |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 16, 2005 23:59:06 GMT
Typical John's humor! Where's the ball? Queen .... Elizabeth? From the White Album Poster is that a ball behind the bell?! Bill, ball, bell, belt, bull Even funnier!  Gotta Love John and Ringo! Awesome! |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 17, 2005 0:09:34 GMT
...which leads me to this question.
When was the appellation, Paul 'the Bull' , first applied in reference to Paul McCartney?
Was it actually a reference to Bill?
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 17, 2005 1:20:25 GMT
Elizabeth reigns
Over and under
Elizabeth reigns
Lightning and thunder
Elizabeth reigns
Since I was younger
She's head of the family
Elizabeth reigns over me.
The Queen mum is dead
But she lives in my head
Since the world was at war
We all felt her pain
But never complained
We all loved her more.
Elizabeth reigns ...
A letter unsent
Entombed in cement
And hung from the hanging tree
God save the Queen
If you know what I mean
We don't really need a king.
Six hundred servants
Use her detergent
Scrubbing the palace floor
And all of your sins are
As big as the Windsors
So lets point our fingers
No more.
Ringo Starr - RingoRama - Elizabeth Reigns.
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Post by beatled on Mar 17, 2005 4:16:59 GMT
Don't forget, at the end he says: "Well, there goes me knighthood!" |
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Post by abbey on Mar 17, 2005 18:28:47 GMT
BP, those might be the correct shoes. However, George is standing very tall over them. You can't see their feet. Paul was very big on standing on tippy toes to give himself that extra inch or two DeZom, it's a very light pink. I'm sure the boys were given the suits to wear according to their sizes. Paul was a small man, don't forget. It's hard to say if there is true symbolism there, since it was before the switch. It could've just been something new & cool for them to do. Let's face it, EVERY boy wants to be a matador & slay the bull ;D |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 17, 2005 23:32:56 GMT
www.westerncollectables.net/That belt seems to be from Indians world. Sitting Bull ---> Sitting Bill reference or something else? O.P.D Indians.... (Bungalow) Billy was the ALL American bullet-headed saxon mother's son
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 19, 2005 1:56:21 GMT
Vintage document from my personal collection. The inside cover from the June 1966 issue of "16" magazine. Click for larger images:   |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 19, 2005 3:57:18 GMT
Vintage document from my personal collection. The inside cover from the June 1966 issue of "16" magazine. Click for larger images:    Thank you TotalInfo! ( Excellent job on the radio show btw) Bring on the ( Traje de ) Luces!   They come in all kinds of bright shiny colors. |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 19, 2005 4:50:44 GMT
www.westerncollectables.net/That belt seems to be from Indians world. Sitting Bull ---> Sitting Bill reference or something else? O.P.D Indians.... (Bungalow) Billy was the ALL American bullet-headed saxon mother's son Saxon 1. A member of a West Germanic tribal group that inhabited northern Germany and invaded Britain in the fifth and sixth centuries A.D. with the Angles and Jutes. 2. A person of English or Lowland Scots birth or descent as distinguished from one of Irish, Welsh, or Highland Scots birth or descent. 3. A native or inhabitant of Saxony. 4. The West Germanic language of any of the ancient Saxon peoples. 5. The Germanic element of English as distinguished from the French and Latin elements. or... saxon Of or pertaining to the Saxons, their country, or their language. Anglo-Saxon. Of or pertaining to Saxony or its inhabitants. Saxon blue, a deep blue liquid used in dyeing, and obtained by dissolving indigo in concentrated sulphuric acid. Saxon green, a green colour produced by dyeing with yellow upon a ground of Saxon blue. Source: Websters Dictionary All American? Bullet Headed? Saxon Mother's Son? All (North?) American ( Canada? , USA?, Mexico ?) Bullet - Headed ( a reference to Bill's Cranium shape?) Saxon Mother's son ( His mother is German or English ?) Wild Guesses. |
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Post by abbey on Mar 19, 2005 6:08:25 GMT
First, Paul was definitely a Beta male. He was too small and slight to be much of a physical fighter. He would fight verbally and could throw out those cutting remarks as quickly as John, but John was the Alpha Male. John was also the one to protect Paul. Paul was never ever one for fisticuffs. He'd be as far out of the action as possible.
Bill was a temp. He was supposed to go away once the Beatles were over, but he didn't. He got to love the limelight and wouldn't go away. Possibly Linda encouraged him. She was the Alpha in that relationship. The powers let him go on and have continued to use him. I wonder if Bill isn't just a dupe, a puppet for them. Maybe he is just getting a pay check like any other flunkie. Heather is no doubt his keeper and making him feel "impo'tant" having a young honey to escort around.
I don't know about the matador comparison, though. It seems to be a bit farfetched, but new ideas are always welcome. I'd just wonder why the colors in the Spanish flag and the matador routine. Bill was from Canada. Shouldn't it have been maple leaves or red and white as the Canadian flag?
The only Bull is Bill, who is full of Bull every time he moves, sings, talks.
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Post by abbey on Mar 19, 2005 6:17:14 GMT
...which leads me to this question. When was the appellation, Paul 'the Bull' , first applied in reference to Paul McCartney? Was it actually a reference to Bill? It referred to Paul's prowness with women. He was one randy dude and would bed any girl that crossed his path unless she was dog ugly. Not to mention, who know how many bastards he fathered. No one bothered with anything as "restricting" as a rubber, which is what they were called then. Bill is full of bull. But look at some of the poses of Bill that have been posted where he looks like a queer. He was obviously bi-sexual, which originally appealed to John, but that novelty soon wore off. If there is any part of the bull about Bill it would be Bullshit. Bill is trying to re-write history. I have listened to the Beatle Brunch and want to strangle him whenever he opens his lying mouth. And if you listen to the real Paul and then listen to Bill, the accents are totally different. And it can't be from having an American wife. In fact, when asked about their marriage in an interview right after the fact, Linda had already affected an English accent!!!! And she'd only been shacking up with him for a few months. No, Bill is full of bull!!!! |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 19, 2005 23:20:09 GMT
 James Paul McCartney |
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 20, 2005 0:06:10 GMT
I've always felt that the colours are simply down to psychedellic reasons, (or is that the reason why we associate those colours with psychedellia  ) i wouldnt suggest that because the suits are based on colony days british war uniform that bill was actually a 19th century war veteran  Also, SMA dont get me wrong you come up with a lot of damn good stuff and i could be seeing things differently but i feel this alpha beta male stuff that you have mentioned in a few posts is irrelevant (if he was a beta male why would he be such a "stud"? ), and IMO yes bill/faul is a taller, probably bigger built man but JPM wasnt slight, they were all roughly the same height, sometimes one or the other looks taller for reasons we dont know but anyway i digress! |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 20, 2005 1:33:37 GMT
James Paul McCartney ..and so , if nothing else was worth it on this thread to you... well at least I gave TotalInfo an excuse to give us that amazing full on portrait of our man... Hey Perplexed.....Isn't this what you wanted? ;D No wonder Total get's it. He's got the pure vintage goods.... And once again , you made more then a few people very happy with your appearance on Jack Blood's radio show Total. Great Job! ...and now back to the ring... |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 20, 2005 6:21:29 GMT
I've always felt that the colours are simply down to psychedellic reasons, (or is that the reason why we associate those colours with psychedellia ) i wouldnt suggest that because the suits are based on colony days british war uniform that bill was actually a 19th century war veteran I feel that I must somehow address the issue of exploration of possibilities. First two posts warned you.... possible meadow muffins ahead! I am not an answer man, I am speculating based on what we know to be true. No one to my knowledge has speculated on why they chose those particular satin colors and that particular dress style. I have offered my research up to the scrutiny of all here. Make up your own mind! I have a feeling though that brushing it off as psychedelic is what they hoped for.... Does anyone here have a coherent response to this? A rebuttal? Perhaps something that would help me mend my errant ways? If Bill is an imposter (duh) then why is it so far fetched to consider that he may have been a bullfighter at one time? a man of many talents? I am not saying that he was or was not a torero . I am merely considering the possibility out loud for all to see and judge. Why is the man in the blue satin jacket with the swordlike cor anglais in the exact centre of the Pepper Cover? If you were to take off the tails of the pepper cover outfits , those men would be dressed a whole lot like toreros in traditional bullfighting colors.... I think that bullfighting as a metaphor is surely something worth considering. What are the Illuminati if not obsessed by ritual? The bullfight is the consummate ritual, literally filled with secret ( sacred ) connotations. Why the bullfighter motif in MMT? What is Nat Jackley all about? Toros de Peralta? What does wolfpack psychology have to do with it all Please back it up with something....actual proof would be great. Thank You Have a nice day! |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 20, 2005 11:27:59 GMT
..and so , if nothing else was worth it on this thread to you...   ..and toro ---> taurus ---> Turin. The Capital of Savoy dinasty. The Capital of The Kingdom of SardiniaA famous Masonry basis. www.grandeoriente.it/studi/stmas/14italiatorino.htm Nat Jackley was a notorius Mason. The circle is closed now |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 21, 2005 5:50:18 GMT
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 21, 2005 6:07:28 GMT
wtf is that fade supposed to be?
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) i wouldnt suggest that because the suits are based on colony days british war uniform that bill was actually a 19th century war veteran 
