TheDZ
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 21, 2005 8:37:17 GMT
wtf is that fade supposed to be? Glad You asked. Here Goes... Look at Turin. OK, now look at the Guy saying Ole(piano player). Look at his nose .... Look at the guys head saying rave and the border lines and natural features it lines up with. Next, look at Nat's Mouth and end of nose and the border elines....His right eye is Sion (wink wink) Look at the strip dividing lines , they line up (approx) with the longitude lines on the map( The map they used seems to flare at the bottom less than my map) The 'bulls' nostrils are Nice and Monaco.  The whole strip lines up , not just the centre one. The girl in the white bikini's oddly placed navel lines up with another city.... Another embedded map. MMT comic strips are jammed full... Keep staring.... Turin is hidden in the ole guy's jacket.... but clearly indicated by his strange pointy nose( the Key) in the center of the square. |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 21, 2005 10:50:36 GMT
The Bull head is on Nice. Under the bull mouth "Munch" is writtten "Munch" traslated in Italian is Monaco Monaco is EXACTLY over the written MUNCH. Pianist's nose is pointing toward Turin = Taurus = Toro saying "Olè" The Blood Red Muleta is the bloody t RAVEl from Nice toward Outreau. The Sub Geneva Rose Speedway. www.sarinfloorcloths.com/example04.htmlNat's dream is over Viareggio a famous beach of Tuscany. Cello is pointing the direction to Sardinia. What' a MAGICAL AND MYSTERY TOUR without MAGICAL AND MYSTERY MAPS? I have to say: !!!AWESOME!!! The DeZombificator!!! |
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Post by Michelle66 on Mar 21, 2005 16:44:26 GMT
 ..and toro ---> taurus ---> Turin. The Capital of Savoy dinasty. The Capital of The Kingdom of SardiniaA famous Masonry basis. Mmmh... Turin is the most "magic" town in Italy. It's well known for being both a black magic and white magic town... the town of good and bad, I'd say. A magic place in Turin is considered to be the church of the Great Mother... (Lady Madonna??) The capital of the Kingdom of Sardinia... Sardina (without the I) is Italian for "pilchard". |
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 21, 2005 18:03:41 GMT
I believe they refer to the city as "the old lady", if thats any help
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Post by Delta on Mar 21, 2005 18:32:04 GMT
i know that turin's major professional football ("soccer") club, juventus, is called "the old lady". the city of turin might be called that as well, but i don't know for sure. Mmmh... Turin is the most "magic" town in Italy. It's well known for being both a black magic and white magic town... the town of good and bad, I'd say. the colours of juventus are black and white  |
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Mar 22, 2005 2:05:53 GMT
Dezombificator,
I can't help but wonder, how on Earth did you make that connection? I can't imagine looking at that drawing, and saying, "This looks like a map of Italy and France!" What was the sequence of your thoughts?
Even if I had come up with the overlay I doubt that I would have seen it. How did you know you'd hit the right spot?
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Post by Michelle66 on Mar 22, 2005 6:58:33 GMT
i know that turin's major professional football ("soccer") club, juventus, is called "the old lady". the city of turin might be called that as well, but i don't know for sure. "La vecchia signora" (the old lady) is just for Juventus, not for Turin. |
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TheDZ
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 22, 2005 9:13:01 GMT
Dezombificator, I can't help but wonder, how on Earth did you make that connection? I can't imagine looking at that drawing, and saying, "This looks like a map of Italy and France!" What was the sequence of your thoughts? Even if I had come up with the overlay I doubt that I would have seen it. How did you know you'd hit the right spot? I paint, so I've trained my eyes to see meaning in form. Encoded art is not at all uncommon in the works of the famous masters. In fact its downright de rigueur. Also, I know that there are maps in MMT comics because of the posts on Rev 9 about Sardinia and Miss Winters.Also Aunt Jessy and North America. Since I saw the map encoded in the Strippers distraction, and the way they used Keys to help index the map, I guessed correctly that they had done this again. TKIN! mentions Nice as being important to the story, so I studied the maps of the region, studied the comics, thought about bullfights, BeatlePaul said Turin and then I saw it...it just fit in my minds eye. There's probably more maps to find in the comic strips. I haven't found them...yet. Study, study,study. |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 22, 2005 9:16:22 GMT
 Speaking of encoded/subliminal art... |
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Post by beatled on Mar 23, 2005 0:07:03 GMT
Ever since I got involved in this little subject matter, subliminals in art and advertising have become one of my favorite subjects. It's a MUST to read as many books by Wilson Bryan Key as you can get your hands on, it really will blow your mind. Btw, I have a pretty good idea what you are talking about in the above, at least for a couple of things. One I guess I can mention is her flushed cheeks.. Apologies for going OT, but in a way it's not because you must understand that the concept of artists not stating things "in plain site" is quite common, and goes back hundreds of years, well maybe since drawings on cave walls. When you wish to convey a meaning, but can't for whatever reason speak it overtly without fear of reprisal, you communicate it subliminally. The liquor ad above of course is using subliminal sexual symbology to sell booze, not to enlighten.. Now have a look at this one, Picasso's "The Dream" published in Life Magazine in 1932, a clean wholesome all american magazine...  I think this is as obvious as the... (hehe) ![]() http://*banned link*/Picasso.jpg[/img] |
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Post by abbey on Mar 23, 2005 16:26:09 GMT
JoJO - how absolutely WICKED ;D
Look what I found on the internet:
David Sylvian
Before the Bullfight
I hear your voice
Way down inside
A whispering sea
Of towering trees
But no reply
A silence so rare
And more than I can stand
Sweeps like a flood
Through life’s flesh and blood
And steals away with it’s heart
If I’m losing you
Then there’s nothing more that I can say
The fighting is on
And battles are won
Or thrown away
But if I could live
Safe and sound
In God given fields
Or mountains of steel
Then here I’d stay
Till you’d gone
Guilty of stealing
Every thought I own
I will take my turn
To fight the bullfight
Every word’s sunk in deep
Like the blades of a knife through my heart
But my strength will return
To fight the bullfight
As time’s come to show
I’m told nothing more than I should know
A ship on the sea that threatens to leave
But never goes
This island of blue
Where life clings to your hands
Like water and sand
Will loose it’s way
When you’re gone
When all’s forgiven
Still every fault’s my own
I will take my turn
To fight the bullfight
Say a prayer for my release
When every hope in the world is asleep
And my strength will return
To fight the bullfight
I believe David Sylvian is the author of this.
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Post by abbey on Mar 23, 2005 16:31:12 GMT
On that same Spanish website, called Music is Math, I also found this: Coming Back to Life Where were you when I was burned and broken? While the days slipped by from my window watching Where were you when I was hurt and I was helpless? Because the things you say and the things you do surround me While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words Dying to believe in what you heard I was staring straight into the shining sun Lost in thought and lost in time While the seeds of life and the seeds of change were planted Outside the rain fell dark and slow While I pondered on this dangerous but irresistible pastime I took a heavenly ride through our silence I knew the moment had arrived For killing the past and coming back to life I took a heavenly ride through our silence I knew the waiting had begun And headed straight...into the shining sun Pink Floyd ( David Gilmour ) posted by André Gomes at 01:26 Here's that website : music-is-math.blogspot.com/2003_12_01_music-is-math_archive.htmlBTW, there was this photo of Paul there that I never saw before:  |
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Post by semolinapilchard on Mar 25, 2005 4:50:17 GMT
You can really see the difference in the nose in that one.
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Post by abbey on Mar 25, 2005 15:23:08 GMT
Also, you can see that the shoulder seam of his dress shirt is about an inch or so down his arm. To me, this shows that he had a NARROW build. In this photo of Paul, the shoulder pads in his jacket are very evident. You can SEE how NARROW his hips were in comparison.  More photos, in which the shoulder seam is down his arm aways :   In this one, his face might've been ELONGATED somewhat, but I feel the rest is true to life. Such as, the hair on the back of his hands :  Paul playing piano. Again, his shoulder seam is down his arm :  Check THIS out:  I think it speaks for itself ! In photos of Paul in which he is wearing a t-shirt, you can see that his figure was straight up & down ;D     |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 25, 2005 16:36:45 GMT
 Sub (Geneva) Red Rose Speedway. "There's a fog upon L.A.
And my friends have lost their way
We'll be over soon they said
Now they've lost themselves instead"L.A. = Lyon Airport The Blue Jay Way was the way to meet Sylvie (then Fylvie) |
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 25, 2005 22:39:31 GMT
DeZombi, you make a pretty good case. I'll have to go look at the earlier MMT/map fades again.
In the meantime, I've got a notion bubbling....
Can you find a map/MMT fade that will take us down past Turin to Rome?
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Post by Dr.No on Mar 26, 2005 0:46:06 GMT
 Since i found this pic in this thread i figured i'd post it here. also: in response to the shoulder seam idea. I'm a 6'3" 260lb large framed guy, and my shoulder seams hang around the same spot....it's relavant to the size of the shirt , not the size of the person. |
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 27, 2005 2:48:08 GMT
Mmmh... Turin is the most "magic" town in Italy. It's well known for being both a black magic and white magic town... the town of good and bad, I'd say. A magic place in Turin is considered to be the church of the Great Mother... (Lady Madonna??) The capital of the Kingdom of Sardinia... Sardina (without the I) is Italian for "pilchard". Turin Turin, capital of both the province of Torino and of the Piedmont region of northwest Italy, looks out over the confluence of the Po and Dora Riparia rivers. Originally the chief town of the Ligurian tribe of the Taurini, Turin became a Roman colony in about the 1st century. The town seated a Lombard duchy six centuries later. Turin was the capital of the kingdom of Sardinia between 1720 and 1861, except during the French occupation in the early 1800s. It figured prominently in the Risorgimento—the 19th-century movement for the unification of Italy—and served as the first national capital of Italy between 1861 and 1865. Sardinia Conquered by Rome in 238 BC, Sardinia was overrun by the Vandals and then the Byzantines after the fall of the Roman Empire. From the 11th to the 14th century, the Pisans and Genoese fought each other for possession of the island. The Spanish ruled Sardinia until the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, which ceded the island to Austria. In 1720 it came under the rule of the house of Savoy and became part of the Kingdom of Sardinia. Upon creation of the Kingdom of Italy in 1861, the Kingdom of Sardinia came to an end.   This is what I see.I am the eye in the sky Looking at you I can read your mind I am the maker of rules Dealing with fools I can cheat you blind And I don’t need to see any more To know that I can read your mind, I can read your mind DeZombi, you make a pretty good case. I'll have to go look at the earlier MMT/map fades again. In the meantime, I've got a notion bubbling.... Can you find a map/MMT fade that will take us down past Turin to Rome? Were you thinking of this song, Total? GEORGE HARRISON lyrics - "P2 Vatican Blues (Last Saturday Night)"-Brainwashed Gazed at the ceiling from below A splendid Michelangelo Filled my heart with delight Last Saturday night Arrived believing from home Climbed every step inside St. Peter's Dome Claustrophobic and ex-Catholic Last Saturday night Now how come nobody really noticed Puff of white smoke knocked me out The truth is hiding, lurking, banking Things they do at night It's quite suspicious to say the least Even mentioned it to my local priest One Our Father, three Hail Marys Each Saturday night [Let's hear it. Call him on ??. Play a chord, Dhani.] I wish somebody would tell me That it's only a show I'll confess, own up, let's face it In my concrete tuxedo It's quite suspicious to say the least While mentioning it to my priest One Our Father, three Hail Marys Each Saturday night [Hello Father, Father, stick a little right upon with us. It'll be alright.] One Our Father, three Hail Marys Each Saturday night One Our Father, three Hail Marys Each Saturday night I'll keep an eye peeled... and just to show the ancient roots and true origin of the bullfight...and the suit of lights.  The Bull head is on Nice. Under the bull mouth "Munch" is writtten "Munch" traslated in Italian is Monaco Monaco is EXACTLY over the written MUNCH. Pianist's nose is pointing toward Turin = Taurus = Toro saying "Olè" The Blood Red Muleta is the bloody t RAVEl from Nice toward Outreau. The Sub Geneva Rose Speedway. www.sarinfloorcloths.com/example04.htmlNat's dream is over Viareggio a famous beach of Tuscany. Cello is pointing the direction to Sardinia. What' a MAGICAL AND MYSTERY TOUR without MAGICAL AND MYSTERY MAPS? The muleta also seems to be a Shroud of sorts... Who drew these comics? |
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 27, 2005 4:42:49 GMT
No, not that song... just wondering if maybe JPM & Sylvie might not have started their fateful trip from Rome rather than Turin...
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Post by abbey on Mar 28, 2005 14:01:26 GMT
guitarjohn - you can still tell that he was a small NARROW shouldered guy. I'm sure that when you're wearing those shirts, it's easy to see that the shirt is a very large size. BTW - my hubby is around your size, so I know |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 28, 2005 21:04:16 GMT
A colour comparison       John and Ringo trade places to show us that it is a two sided cape and Bill shows us the matadors sword,the espada, used for the kill.... To me the implications are clear: Bill was the matador , the bull fighter and the public was the bull. The remaining Beatles were the capes of the matador, part of his ritual team , indispensible to his task . He was the boss, they were the employees. and releasing this cover was the moment of truth.... John and Ringo had the colours of torero's "cape". So Billy's shoes. George had the colour of torero's "muleta". The "cape" is a target to play with. A "fake" target. The "muleta" is a target to kill the bull. Did Brian and Paul plan to go to India where there was already George? A refuge for Paul? |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 28, 2005 21:13:34 GMT
The BullDog is a race of dogs.
Its name means that those dogs were trained to fight against bulls.
Hey Bulldog
Sheep dog standing in the rain
Bull grog doing it again
Some kind of happiness is
measured out in miles
What make you think you're
something special when you smile
Childlike no on understand
Jack knife in your sweaty hands
Some kind of innocence is
measured out in years
You don't know what it's like
to listen to you fears
You can talk to me
You can talk to me
You can talk to me
If you're lonely, you can talk to me
Big man walking in the park
Wigwam frightened of the dark
Some kind of solitude is
measured out in you
You think you know but you haven't got a clue
You can talk to me
You can talk to me
You can talk to me
If you're lonely, you can talk to me
Hey Bulldog
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Post by abbey on Mar 28, 2005 21:34:06 GMT
Hey Bull dog is one weird ass song. Each stanza seems to be written about a different person  |
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Post by Dr.No on Mar 31, 2005 22:30:07 GMT
Hey Bulldog makes me think of Taxi Driver for some rason. What I get from HB is an intervention for a shady, yet mentally innocent character.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 29, 2005 19:44:19 GMT
Just got a copy of the Feb 1967 Teen Life. There's a profile of Brian Epstein in there. Seems to be based on interviews conducted around Aug 66 during the Beatles' final US tour.
Some interesting bits relevant to this thread:
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"I have always been crazy about bull-fighting," he will say, "even before the Beatles."
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He longs to write a play, to make a film with EL CORDOBES, the Spanish bullfighter, NURYEV, and the Beatles.
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He has a passion for Spain and for bull-fighting, and a disconcerting habit of shooting off there at the drop of a hat. Spain is the only place where he takes any exercise. "I walk when I'm there," he siad. Where did he walk? "I walk about," he said vaguely.
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