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Post by plastic paul on May 11, 2005 14:43:47 GMT
Assuming that did happen, I still dont really understand the reasoning behind them jettisoning them off into space.
Yes i did notice the "eye", i hate to point this out, but next to the rear wheel it does look as though there are a couple of figures in the blue "space", i still think the idea is a long shot though.
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Post by cavendish on May 11, 2005 15:38:36 GMT
After comparing those two photos, I have to say that it is very possible that the Magical Mystical boy might indeed BE Bill. I still don't buy that Paul was jettisoned into space. Whether it was on the Gemini 12 or any other spacecraft. The clues left by John & George do not point to this. If you look elsewhere than the clues left by them, I'm sure you can prove "anything". It's kind of like playing "telephone". One person would mention one thing, someone else another. A third person might put the 1st two things together in a way that the 1st two people never anticipated. This can get weirder & weirder as more people become involved. You're taking examples from different rock groups & attributing them with inside knowledge that they felt they HAD to act upon. I'm sure that most people in the music business at that time ( in Great Britain ) were " in the know " about Paul's death & replacement. I'm also fairly certain that they knew he wasn't the only one. Since most people are more concerned with themselves, I doubt so many different people went out of their ways to leave cryptic clues concerning Paul's death & replacement. This Forum is turning into one huge game of " Mad Lib "  Even if so many different people were leaving secret, HIDDEN clues about what happened to Paul, how can we know what is supposed to go with what to tell a story ? Alot of people were talking about outer space in the late 1960's. That is because of the great strides the USA SUPPOSEDLY was making in that area. I highly doubt it has anything to do with the disposal of Paul's remains. AS SMA has stated, he was dumped in the ocean in " the Octopus's Garden ". Most likely, Brian was also. |
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Post by byrdsmaniac on May 12, 2005 1:58:59 GMT
I think that Sylvie was in that capsule too. Wow BP! You just "blew me away"! That thought had never crossed my mind, but for some reason, as soon as I read it, I felt much better! I guess that the thought of Paul being all alone in space had always sounded so incredibly lonely, even 'tho I knew we were talking about his corpse. In a childish way, I feel so much better with the thought that he wasn't, if your speculation is true. Perhaps more significantly, if by chance the bodies were retreived by a space ship, and the two of them were in someway repaired and revitalized, or their souls incarnated into new bodies through some advanced process known to space beings of a higher dimension, we might actually be able to look forward to their return as living beings in the future. As you know, I have speculated that that might be the true significance of the song "When I'm 64" on the Sgt. Pepper album - that Paul might be coming back when he reaches that age (next year). Perhaps that would also explain the efforts by the powers that be to keep their personnas in the public awareness with Fauls and Fylvies in the interim. No need to explain to those who've been born since the 1960's who they are. And the impersonators could then reveal their true identities once the originals had revealed themselves. For what it's worth, if the "Days of Future Passed" album cover depicts artistically the Gemini 12 mission, as has been mentioned in the Moody Blues thread in the CLUES section, the presence of both a male and a female face near the center might support the conjecture that both were sent into space. |
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Post by byrdsmaniac on May 12, 2005 2:31:03 GMT
You're taking examples from different rock groups & attributing them with inside knowledge that they felt they HAD to act upon. I'm sure that most people in the music business at that time ( in Great Britain ) were " in the know " about Paul's death & replacement. A lot of people were talking about outer space in the late 1960's. That is because of the great strides the USA SUPPOSEDLY was making in that area. I highly doubt it has anything to do with the disposal of Paul's remains. AS SMA has stated, he was dumped in the ocean in " the Octopus's Garden ". Most likely, Brian was also. I'd say the middle verse of "After the Gold Rush" by Neil Young is obviously a reference to PID and Sgt. Pepper. (Thanks to Dezombificator for pointing it out.) Other song references may be more vague, but that one is beyond the shadow of a doubt. I'm sure that many others already cited on this site are legitimate as well. I think everyone here knows there's a watery grave connected with Paul, but I'm not convinced he was left there. In "Come Together" the person described is clearly dead, but you have to consider the line "he come groovin' up slowly." I have explained previously that I see that as the body floating slowly up to the surface of a body of water. That may not be right, but how many other options are there? I mean, the alternatives would be some sort of awful "Weekend at Bernie's" scenario of the corpse being pushed and pulled by those attending it. Whether or not Paul was sent into space, the Beatles' own words and songs can be seen as suggesting a retreival of some sort ("Yellow Submarine" and "Glass Onion" come immediately to mind, as well as "Mother Nature's Son" with the line "Find me in my field of grass".) |
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Post by abbey on May 12, 2005 14:12:48 GMT
I think everyone here knows there's a watery grave connected with Paul, but I'm not convinced he was left there. In "Come Together" the person described is clearly dead, but you have to consider the line "he come groovin' up slowly." I have explained previously that I see that as the body floating slowly up to the surface of a body of water. That may not be right, but how many other options are there? I mean, the alternatives would be some sort of awful "Weekend at Bernie's" scenario of the corpse being pushed and pulled by those attending it. Whether or not Paul was sent into space, the Beatles' own words and songs can be seen as suggesting a retreival of some sort ("Yellow Submarine" and "Glass Onion" come immediately to mind, as well as "Mother Nature's Son" with the line "Find me in my field of grass".) [/quote] First off, everyone and their dog was into space type things in the 60's because of our advancements in space travel. Some people were just plain spacey on drugs  Also, the "in" thing was "what sign are you", so many people were into astrological signs. So space designs on a bus mean nothing. I believe Paul was originally buried in Strawberry Fields, which would be a field of grass, but those who buried him heard about new construction or something that was going to be done in that area and so had to go dig him up...dig it; dig it....and move him somewhere else. Dropping him into the ocean--into the Octopus' Garden in a Yellow Submarine--might have seemed safe. He would not be likely to come floating to the surface as I sure they would weight the trunk down and probably wrap it in chains. By the time the chains rusted and broke and the trunk rotted, all you would have is bones on the ocean floor buried in sand to rest in a watery grave. It would be lovely to think Paul was buried in a pretty field of grass with a decent head stone, but it's not likely. Wonder what they'll do when Bill dies. He will probably be cremated so they can scatter his ashes and not be bothered with a headstone. Maybe even he doesn't want to have a headstone with the wrong name on it. |
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Post by madtitan125 on May 12, 2005 20:37:08 GMT
Hi Sister Mary Abbey,
Your comments touch on an aspect that I've been thinking about lately....
What the heck is going on in Faul's head anyway?
JoJo (a true master of this forum - and the other usually unmentioned forum for that matter!).
In a post on the other board, JoJo posted some stills from Faul's 1973 TV Special.
The issue of whether or not Faul is James Paul has long ago been determined:
IT'S NOT HIM. THERE IS NO DOUBT.
It's just my opinion, but debating this just wastes time.
JoJo, if you're reading this, will you post those pics here?
Rarely have we seen Faul look this unPaul-like.
Not only that, but he has such a despondent look in some of these pics it makes you wonder about his state of mind.
I actually almost felt myself feeling sorry for him. There he is, trying to entertain us, trying to be believable in his new role as James Paul.
What really gets me is that this is someone who literally gave up his actual identity and had many multiple surgical procedures (and innumerable botox treatments) to erase himself from this life.
I wonder if he still thinks of himself as Bill, or if he has fully entered this deception and thinks of himself as Paul now. Either way, it's a truly sad story for EVERYONE involved.
No doubt Faul must have underwent much counseling in order to go through with this. He more than likely still does. Too bad we can't get comments from his doctor.
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Post by beatled on May 13, 2005 0:04:32 GMT
JoJo (a true master of this forum - and the other usually unmentioned forum for that matter!). In a post on the other board, JoJo posted some stills from Faul's 1973 TV Special. Well I had to quote that, thanks again for your kind words Madtitan. I made a new post in the Faul section, something I was meaning to do anyway. As for the "unmentioned" forum, well, water under the bridge and all that, and everyone here knows where to find it if they so desire.. The story of Bill is indeed a sad one, hating him ain't for me anymore, there enough of that in this messed up world. He IS Bill or whoever, just don't see necessarily that it goes hand in hand with judging him, why presume that? It's funny, this reminds me of a sitcom I caught one afternoon, a repeat of an old show that I don't know the name of, but anyway.. A husband and wife are arguing, he's upset with her because (and this is a typical sitcom over the top exaggeration) she pointed out that there's no way his parents' dog could be something like 30 years old. The reason? When the first dog died, they replaced him without telling him. As time went on, they repeated this two more times, so the current dog was dog #4. The punchline? When he learned the dog was replaced, he hated it...  Interesting, no? |
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Also, the "in" thing was "what sign are you", so many people were into astrological signs. So space designs on a bus mean nothing. 
Interesting, no?