Soothsayer
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Post by Soothsayer on Jul 23, 2006 5:21:29 GMT
Hello, perhaps the i.d issue isn't 'the sole issue' in question, no doubt there are other matters that cause probs, but I've noticed that when the question of the replacement's i.d is raised, (as it is in a number of threads), there always seems to follow a number of posts (albeit from newer members), stating that the very notion of neil aspinall being 'Faul' as opposed to, or as well as, Billy Shears, undermines their evaluation of the evidence thus far, & casts doubt on the credibility of a theory that they had begun to readily accept; ie. that William campbell aka Billy Shears replaced James Paul McCartney. If you read the posts of maacca & others, the confusion is evident, & there are numerous requests for clarification, plse see posts in this thread & others. For a person viewing this site for the 1st time, who hasn't heard of the replacement theory, (as many people haven't), the evidence & theories presented in the majority of threads, are, in my opinion, overwhelmingly convincing. The home page of the forums states 'at last the identity of Faul is revealed', & all the earlier threads point to Shears., upon further examination of other threads, the possibility of other identities is considered, which is fair enough, but this possibility is not presented in a factual, easily digestable way, with supporting evidence, it is introduced by way of cryptic clues, comparison pics, & not much else. Please don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy Sun King's enlightening posts, & the highly valid & intelligent arguements of more established members, the point that I'm trying to make, is that important issues & theories are being presented, such as the i.d question, in a way that is only understood & accessible to a limited few. Re..Maacca's posts & others in this thread; "I'm certain I haven't understood something, so please, I'm thick, someone spell it out for me & the meanings behind some of the info given is not fully understood, " "What are you talking about?" Dr.No etc etc., I do not think that it's a positive thing when members & guests alike, feel that they have to put themselves down as being 'thick', for having to ask repeatedly for clarification of a post's meaning.  With respect, members 'having personal differences', 'criticizing posting styles', & 'baiting others' is all part of a healthy debate, but having to repeatedly request an interpretation of a nonsensical post, & confusion as to what the foundations of the debate/discussion actually are, is not a good thing, it only serves to frustrate members of the group who genuinely wish to understand & contribute, & deter curious or undecided individuals, who may have initially been drawn to the impressive content of TKIN, to then get lost in certain threads, where there is little foundation for info presented. The fact that actual members & supporters of TKIN are indicating confusion to certain threads as well, does not inspire the confidence of an outsider., Evidence & theory needs to be presented in a detailed & logical way the meaning of which should be accessible to all, in order to raise public awareness, & gain much needed credibility & support. I hope this explains my prev post, Forum Manager, the problem as I see it, is not the controversial topics addressed, but the lack of explanation & foundation in subsequent related posts. |
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jul 23, 2006 7:46:43 GMT
Who's Fred Williamson?
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Post by unrepentant on Jul 23, 2006 21:06:10 GMT
is the journalist who interviewed faul in that dec '66 clip still alive?
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jul 26, 2006 6:14:54 GMT
Don't you mean the mid-'67 clip?
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Post by Sun King™ on Jul 28, 2006 18:12:16 GMT
He is called wrongly Neil since his "made-up" resemblance... He is just Billy "Pepper" Shepherd But now think..... What was the BEST way to protect "Character Paul Mccartney"? After September 1966 "Character Paul" lived just on few moments .....when Bill had the "right" make-up... until 1995 ... when he got permantent plastic surgery.... On 1995 ....29-30 years later.... Until 1995 Bill was Vivian Stanshall, Neil replacement .... TOO How clever.... So.... was "Character Paul McCartney" "wanted" after September 1966? Pay attention ..... the drawing connecting the dots is ready now... |
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Soothsayer
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Post by Soothsayer on Aug 3, 2006 1:28:36 GMT
I'm grateful to our glorious Sun King & the always inspiring, ever helpful BM for the above clarifications. TY.  |
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Post by tkp66 on Aug 7, 2006 5:12:51 GMT
Funny how Denny Laine and Bill look a like as they got older  I'm not saying anything ;D   No, not a word from me |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Aug 7, 2006 17:05:00 GMT
Funny how Denny Laine and Bill look a like as they got older I'm not saying anything ;D No, not a word from me YES www.brumbeat.net/diplomat.htmWho is the second man from the left (after Denny)? That one? |
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 9, 2006 16:00:27 GMT
Well, he's got to be one of the ones without an X beside the name:
X Denny Laine lead vocal, guitar (left in 1964)
Phil Ackrill guitar, vocal
X Bev Bevan drums
Dave Wheeland bass guitar (left in 1962)
Steve Horton bass guitar (joined in 1962)
Nicky James lead vocal (joined in 1962 - left in 1963)
Mike Hopkins guitar (joined in 1964)
Jim Onslow vocal (joined in 1964)
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Post by Sun King™ on Aug 11, 2006 15:39:12 GMT
Funny how Denny Laine and Bill look a like as they got older I'm not saying anything ;D No, not a word from me : you are welcome! |
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Post by ezwizard on Aug 11, 2006 19:25:46 GMT
Thank you BP. After 2 years of lurking…finally a reason to post something. If you like that picture you’re going to love this one.  They soon became one of the top acts around Birmingham and even managed to be the support act to The Beatles at a concert in The Plaza Ballroom, Halesowen Road, Old Hill, Near Dudley on Friday 5th July 1963.
By the end of 1964, the Diplomats threw in the towel and split up with Phil Ackrill retiring from the music scene…EZ |
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 12, 2006 16:32:38 GMT
I love both pictures, Sun King and ezwizard! Obviously we can rule out everyone except Phil Ackrill based on timelines and physical appearances. X Denny Laine lead vocal, guitar (left in 1964) Phil Ackrill guitar, vocal X Bev Bevan drums XDave Wheeland bass guitar (left in 1962) XSteve Horton bass guitar (joined in 1962) XNicky James lead vocal (joined in 1962 - left in 1963) XMike Hopkins guitar (joined in 1964) XJim Onslow vocal (joined in 1964) I did a google search for "Phil Ackrill" Birmingham and saw that he was attributed to being the bass player in a couple of sites: A Russian one: www.nounb.sci-nnov.ru/~elo/time/story1.html.w"(Phil Ackrill) (бас)" and A German one: www.beepworld.de/members56/die-anderen/index.htm (then click on Moody Blues): "sowie PHIL ACKRILL (Bass) und hatte gerade resigniert ihre Auflösung beschlossen. " Another thing I picked up in my searches was that Denny Laine left The Moody Blues in September, 1966 of all times. brumbeat.tripod.com/dennylaine.html"Unfortunately none of the group's subsequent output was anywhere near as successful and Laine abandoned the Moodies in September 1966." Then he goes to "spend some time in Spain". Speculation: Denny Laine, while "on vacation", was briefed on the situation about Paul's death with the idea that Laine might be used as a replacement for the late JPM. Denny wasn't a close enough match, but he suggested that Phil Ackrill might be suitable. Phil Ackrill, who had dropped out of the music business two years prior found himself with an offer too good to pass on and returned to the music business under the alias "Paul McCartney". Five years later, Phil returned the favour to his old bandmate Denny, bringing him in for a ten year stint as a member of Wings. How possible is this? We can see from ezwizard's photo that Phil Ackrill had a microphone, so obviously he could sing. Could he sing like Paul McCartney? Does anyone have any recordings of The Diplomats? |
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 12, 2006 16:48:23 GMT
Request: Would someone with skills please take Phil Ackrill's face from ezwizard's photo and enlarge it to match with the image of the guy in the lower left hand corner of the Beatles white album poster?
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 13, 2006 8:54:36 GMT
"Phil Ackrill" looks a bit like young John Lennon. Yes, it is a more serious, thoughtful looking Phil. Polythene Paul, your speculation here sounds good: "Denny Laine, while "on vacation", was briefed on the situation about Paul's death with the idea
that Laine might be used as a replacement for the late JPM. Denny wasn't a close enough match,
but he suggested that Phil Ackrill might be suitable. Phil Ackrill, who had dropped out of the music business
two years prior found himself with an offer too good to pass on and returned to the music business
under the alias "Paul McCartney". Five years later, Phil returned the favour to his old bandmate
Denny, bringing him in for a ten year stint as a member of Wings."[/b] You wrote: "Denny wasn't a close enough match" I agree.[/quote] Thanks Byrds.  I looked at some early Moody Blues on YouTube. Denny would have been good enough to fool my parents, but not me. I'm glad you enjoyed the rock festival, bro. I've loved Rare Earth since they first climbed up the pop chart with Get Ready. I hope you got to hear the original singer, Pete Rivera (aka Peter Hoorlebeke). |
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 13, 2006 9:25:31 GMT
When John Lennon spoke of the faux paul, Did he really say it with an "F" ("false Paul" or "Faul"), Or did he say it with a "Ph", a triple whammy (Phil to Phaul, the fake Paul)? And what of Mr. Aspinall? Is he truly in this broken tale at all? |
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 13, 2006 10:11:59 GMT
Just to add to the confusion, I'd like to say that the serious looking Phil Ackrill looks similar to the young Neil Aspinall in this photo from the Beatles White Album poster, although the eyebrows don't match. I am of the opinion that Neil Aspinall never was replaced with someone referred to elsewhere as Frankeneil. I think Neil just grew a moustache and developed a receeding hairline. He always had bushy eyebrows and a strong forehead; much moreso than Phil. Neil was not a singer. He was a business executive. Maybe he pulled off a bit of a charade, pretending to be Paul McCartney once or twice, but not for any serious length of time. His personality is basically a serious one and not one suited to playing the role of "the cute Beatle".Overall, my impression so far is that Phil Ackrill of The Diplomats is the charming man with the sparkle in his eyes sitting at the back of the Magical Mystery Tour bus, and he is the one who has likely been playing the role of Paul McCartney for decades. To thoroughly convince myself, I would very much like to listen to recordings of E.M.I. recording artists, The Diplomats (with or without Denny Laine) and compare Phil's vocals with those of Phaul (or Faul/Bill). How can we get to hear these? Diplomats recordings are so rare! Another thing that would be worth exploring is the question "Whatever happened to Phil Ackrill after he left the music business in 1964?" Does anyone reading this know? |
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Post by Perplexed on Aug 13, 2006 10:15:18 GMT
When John Lennon spoke of the faux paul, Did he really say it with an "F" ("false Paul" or "Faul"), Or did he say it with a "Ph", a triple whammy (Phil to Phaul, the fake Paul)? And what of Mr. Aspinall? Is he truly in this broken tale at all? Congratulations, Polythene Paul, you've assembled The FaullyWood Squares. All we need is Faul Lynde. |
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 13, 2006 10:19:56 GMT
That's funny, Doc.  But I don't think I've assembled squares, but rather think I've built a pyramid; which ties in somewhat with the Percy Thrillington thread, no? |
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Post by Perplexed on Aug 13, 2006 11:07:09 GMT
That's funny, Doc. But I don't think I've assembled squares, but rather think I've built a pyramid; which ties in somewhat with the Percy Thrillington thread, no? Yes, do you remember where that thread is, or the title of it? I was being silly. Why did you choose a Pyramid? |
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 13, 2006 17:56:30 GMT
That's funny, Doc. But I don't think I've assembled squares, but rather think I've built a pyramid; which ties in somewhat with the Percy Thrillington thread, no? Yes, do you remember where that thread is, or the title of it? I was being silly. Why did you choose a Pyramid? The topic was called Dissecting Percy Thrillington - Long post: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=faul&thread=1152460786&page=2I wanted to have the face of the bloke in the lower left hand corner of the Beatles White Album poster (young Neil Aspinall) be close to the picture of Phil Ackrill that Sun King cropped out of the newspaper article he had found. The centering function had already been made use of before with the other photos that I was comparing young Neil Aspinall with, and I kept it in use. The result happened to be a pyramid shape. The connection with Percy Thrillington came to my mind afterwards. ezwizard, do you have any recordings of The Diplomats? That photo of them without Denny, and Phil's last name mispelled is something I've never seen before. I imagine you have other treasures you've got stashed away, but maybe it is just my imagination running away with me. |
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Post by Perplexed on Aug 14, 2006 6:34:50 GMT
Doc wrote: "All we need is Faul Lynde. " Be careful what you ask for..... You know, I hear that phrase all the time. I have learned to expect that we may see almost anything develop here in our cyber hutch. It's almost as if there is a Cyber Jeannie in a bottle lurking somewhere, following our "three wishes".........it's so hard to remember how it all began...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb1QCjSTYmE |
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Post by Sun King™ on Aug 21, 2006 17:01:51 GMT
Thank you BP. After 2 years of lurking…finally a reason to post something. If you like that picture you’re going to love this one. They soon became one of the top acts around Birmingham and even managed to be the support act to The Beatles at a concert in The Plaza Ballroom, Halesowen Road, Old Hill, Near Dudley on Friday 5th July 1963.
By the end of 1964, the Diplomats threw in the towel and split up with Phil Ackrill retiring from the music scene…EZ : You are very welcome to contribute to the documentation here! First I was suspicious about a reverse engineering.... "By the end of 1964, the Diplomats threw in the towel and split up with Phil Ackrill retiring from the music scene…"Now it seems that everything matches .... WELCOME THE RAL STON - GOOD GUY - |
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Post by foolonthehill on Aug 22, 2006 1:12:01 GMT
I am openminded (and confused!) about who Faul is. However, I always had a problem with the Canadian Billy Shepherd theory, because of the accent. It may not be an exact match to Paul's voice, but Faul in his interviews sounds like a convincing Scouser (Liverpublian) - true Liverpudlians would surely have noticed if it sounded like fake Scouse - and I doubt that a Canadian could come in and master it in 3 months. Hollywood actors have produced a series of terrible English accents, let alone a regional one, and similarly English actors produce terrible American and Canadian accents - they may sound authentic in our mind, but not in reality! Thus, if Neil is Faul, he would find it a lot easier to mimic spoken Paul. And being within the Beatles family, it would arise less suspicion. The problem I have with the Neil Aspinall theory, as that the chance of a roadie/bouncer being able to sing is unlikely. Jools Holland did many of the interviews for Anthology, I wonder what he knows... As for recent sitings...    ...if I hadn't been informed it was Neil, I wouldn't have known. www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060330/news_1b30apple.htmlRegarding this photo and the capwig, WHY??? Why would Faul want to make himself look less like Paul? However, with the Phil Ackrill theory, are we saying that Phil became Faul in 66, or that he became Neil in 64 then Faul in 66? And if the latter, why recruit a musical roadie? |
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Post by Sun King™ on Aug 23, 2006 18:30:31 GMT
I'd like to know "official" news about Phil AFTER 1964. I am openminded (and confused!) about who Faul is. However, I always had a problem with the Canadian Billy Shepherd theory, because of the accent. It may not be an exact match to Paul's voice, but Faul in his interviews sounds like a convincing Scouser (Liverpublian) - true Liverpudlians would surely have noticed if it sounded like fake Scouse - and I doubt that a Canadian could come in and master it in 3 months. Hollywood actors have produced a series of terrible English accents, let alone a regional one, and similarly English actors produce terrible American and Canadian accents - they may sound authentic in our mind, but not in reality! Thus, if Neil is Faul, he would find it a lot easier to mimic spoken Paul. And being within the Beatles family, it would arise less suspicion. The problem I have with the Neil Aspinall theory, as that the chance of a roadie/bouncer being able to sing is unlikely. Jools Holland did many of the interviews for Anthology, I wonder what he knows... As for recent sitings... ...if I hadn't been informed it was Neil, I wouldn't have known. www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060330/news_1b30apple.html Aspinall who? That: or that: |
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 25, 2006 7:35:50 GMT
From Miguel Terol's post at www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/palladium/2214/dlain_b.htm we learn of "many" never released recordings with Phil on them: DENNY LAINE & THE DIPLOMATS Denny Laine and friend Bev Bevan formed this band in September 1962. Denny Laine (guitar, vocals) Phil Ackrill (guitar, vocals) Steve Horton (bass) Bev Bevan (drums) They have many recordings made, but all of them still remain unreleased (!). They used to play blues. |
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With respect, members 'having personal differences', 'criticizing posting styles', & 'baiting others' is all part of a healthy debate, but having to repeatedly request an interpretation of a nonsensical post, & confusion as to what the foundations of the debate/discussion actually are, is not a good thing, it only serves to frustrate members of the group who genuinely wish to understand & contribute, & deter curious or undecided individuals, who may have initially been drawn to the impressive content of TKIN, to then get lost in certain threads, where there is little foundation for info presented. The fact that actual members & supporters of TKIN are indicating confusion to certain threads as well, does not inspire the confidence of an outsider., Evidence & theory needs to be presented in a detailed & logical way the meaning of which should be accessible to all, in order to raise public awareness, & gain much needed credibility & support. I hope this explains my prev post, Forum Manager, the problem as I see it, is not the controversial topics addressed, but the lack of explanation & foundation in subsequent related posts. 
I looked at some early Moody Blues on YouTube. Denny would have been good enough to fool my parents, but not me.
But I don't think I've assembled squares, but rather think I've built a pyramid; which ties in somewhat with the Percy Thrillington thread, no?
