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Post by AuroraLucy on Oct 27, 2005 19:10:36 GMT
Today I had a guitar class, and a couple really interesting things were said in it about Eric Clapton.
We had a substitute- some guy who had written a blues encyclopedia. We were learning about this song, Hide Away, and the teacher played a Clapton version.
As he was turning off the CD, he mentioned how it had been around 40 years since that song was recorded, and added that it had been about 25 years since he had heard Clapton play like that.
And then he commented that "Once Clapton was Clapton"
I really don't know what to make of that last sentence. I doubt that he would know anything like that, and he was probably just saying that Clapton once was really great, but that's still a really funny way of saying that.
I just wanted to see what people thought about that.
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Post by defhermit on Oct 27, 2005 19:24:07 GMT
It's a common thing to say amongst guitar-playing fans... he's talking about Clapton's "guitar god" status... when Clapton was younger, he was a fast-playing rock guitarist that all the young players looked up to... "Clapton is God"... people would argue over Jeff Beck, Hendrix, Clapton.... these same people moved onto guys like Steve Vai and Yngwie Malmsteen and Eddie Van Halen in the late eighties... by this point Clapton had moved onto playing slower blues-type stuff... so when a guitarist says he liked Eric when "Clapton was Clapton" he's longing for the fast-playing Clapton of the sixties and seventies...
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Post by TheDZ on Oct 28, 2005 3:42:05 GMT
Thanks AuroraLucy, that pretty well sums it up.
Todays 'Clapton' is a simulation...not the real deal unfortunately.
It takes a special person to play with the skill and raw intensity
that Clapton did..and be able to sing at the same time.
His fans would kill to hear him play again like he did before..
but he can't..
Lot's of people have noted the Clapton lost his spark after
the Dominoes...now I know why.
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Post by sinbad on Oct 28, 2005 16:44:18 GMT
And this is another reason why there won't be a Cream reunion.
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Post by TheDZ on Oct 29, 2005 4:10:02 GMT
And this is another reason why there won't be a Cream reunion. Only sim-Cream.. www.cream2005.com/ |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Oct 29, 2005 8:57:43 GMT
Pattie was born Patricia Anne Boyd in Taunton, Somerset, England, to Colin Ian Taylor and Diana (Drysdale) Boyd on March 17, 1944. The family later moved to Nairobi, Kenya, where Pattie spent most of her childhood, from 1949-1954. Her father was assigned there as a Royal Air Force pilot. Pattie's parents had three other children: Colin (1946), Helen Mary (aka Jenny, 1947), and Paula (1949). In 1952, Diane and Colin were divorced. Diane took the chidren back to England. She remarried around 1953 to Robert Gaymer-Jones and had two sons named David J.B. (1954) and Robert, Jr.(1955). Colin also remarried and it's unknown if he had any other children. After she finished religious school, Pattie went to London in 1962. Pattie got into modeling after working as a hairstylist. One of her clients asked her if she was interested in modeling. She happened to be a modeling agent and Pattie's first test shots were taken the next day. Jenny later became a model in 1965. Pattie traveled to the world's fashion capitals. Patte modeled in Paris for Mary Quant and was an ambassador to "cool Britannia" in New York City. She hung with people who always had the latest trends, such as model Jean Shrimpton and photographer David Bailey. She landed a commercial deal with American director Richard Lester, who wanted her to be the Smith's Crisps Girl. She was in TV advertisements and did promotional appearances in London. Lester was working on a film with the Beatles called A Hard Day's Night. He was inspired by her work ethic and gave her a small role in the movie as a schoolgirl named "Jean" in the train scenes. Her part was shortened to the line "Prisoners?" and a little appearance with some other cast schoolgirls in the music scene "I Should Have Known Better". It would be her last acting role and she stated, "I'm quite happy modeling." Pattie brought her sisters on the set to get the Beatles' autographs. She asked Paul and Ringo for theirs, but not John's, as she was afraid of his sarcasm. When she got to George, he put one kiss under Paula and Jenny's, but put seven under hers. "George hardly said hello. When we started filming, I could feel him looking at me and I was a bit embarrassed," Pattie recalls. He offered her a visit to his trailer, but, Pattie remembers, "I was loyal, not stupid." George then proceeded to ask her on a proper date. She said yes. She secretly dated him, but then found it necessary to break up with her boyfriend of two years, 30-year-old photographer Eric Swayne. Pattie remembers, "We were justy motoring along [to Brian Epstein's party] listening to the radio when suddenly he very calmly told me he loved me and wanted us to get married. I think I just said yes or some such nonsense, but believe me, inside I was doing cartwheels. We really were very much in love." They were married on January 21, 1966 at Leatherhead and Esher Register Office in Epsom, Surrey. Paul and Brian Epstein shared the best man duties. John and Ringo were on holiday with their wives, but sent telegrams wishing them the very best. Pattie was ordered by George to give up her modeling career because he didn't want any more press. She tried to get involved in charity, but the press made a huge issue out of it, so instead, she was forced to become a stay-at-home wife and give up her career for the sake of George's. Pattie and George did manage to conceive a child, but, sadly, she miscarried. She was told that she could never have children. Pattie was willing to adopt, but George said no. On March 12, 1969, Paul's wedding day, George and Pattie were busted for marijuana possession. They were remanded on bail at Esher and Walton Magistrates' Court. They were later fined £250 on the charge. In 1965, George's friend Eric Clapton met Pattie at a club, and instantly fell in love. He wrote the songs "Wonderful Tonight" and "Layla" about her. He wanted her to go with him, but she refused, saying that she was devoted to staying with George, even though they both had affairs. He had serious drinking problems and a heroin addiction, which almost killed him. Pattie ran away with him, after having a huge argument with George. George wanted to patch it up, but it was too late. They were divorced on June 9, 1977. Eric and Pattie were married on March 27, 1979 at Bethel Temple Assembly of Faith in Jesus Christ in Tuscon, Arizona. The ceremony was conducted entirely in Spanish. Attendees inculded Paul, Ringo, Mick Jagger, Elton John, Denny Laine, David Bowie, and...George. Paul, Ringo and George sang at the wedding. It was a semi-Beatles reunion. After they were married, Pattie had a serious drinking problem, and Eric had drug addictions. The thing that devastated Pattie was that she could never have children. Eric had two children with other women, which was one event that led up to their divorce in June 1988. Pattie is a photographer and lives a low-profile lifestyle in London with her boyfriend, real-estate developer Rod Weston. |
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Post by sinbad on Oct 29, 2005 15:41:38 GMT
The part about Clapton falling in love with Pattie and writing two songs about her could be made up....after the fact. That way, Clapton's replacement could look more like he was there all along. You never know, the real Clapton could have written those songs about a completely different girl.
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Post by defhermit on Nov 2, 2005 19:21:06 GMT
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Post by TheDZ on Nov 2, 2005 21:18:38 GMT
Remember SBaglioncino's eyes...?   Decarunculized..  |
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Post by defhermit on Nov 2, 2005 22:04:37 GMT
is it possible that that "pinched caruncula" is just an byproduct of having an"eye lift" plastic surgery procedure?
we need a plastic surgeon here....
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Post by sinbad on Nov 3, 2005 1:35:35 GMT
Who the heck is SBaglioncino?
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Post by TheDZ on Nov 3, 2005 2:16:33 GMT
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Post by moped on Nov 5, 2005 17:11:05 GMT
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Post by fishisyummy on Nov 10, 2005 20:33:24 GMT
I was wondering what others' opinions were on who was playing lead guitar with George Harrison at the concert for bangladesh. When I watch it, i get a very distinct feeling that the man was not the real Eric Clapton. On the footage, he stays out of the spotlight as much as possible. I think he tried to cover his face with his hair a lot, also. He also looks a little off to me. We know that George really had to work hard at getting Clapton to play at the concert. As the story goes, he was in drug treatment at the time.
My idea is that this is a transitory stage in Feric's transformation. He could use his drug treatment as an alibi while he underwent the requisite surgeries. He could obviously play the guitar, but he didn't look like he was really feeling it, as Clapton would have. He really didn't have any Clapton-esque solos either. Now this is understandable considering it was a charity concert, so humility is the proper attitude. One of his most famous solos (While My Guitar Gently Weeps) was delivered quite unemphatically, he should have let George deliver the honors. The thing that got me was when he played a solo with his cigarette held in his tunings. It struck me as an attempt to convince us that it was indeed Eric Clapton.
I could go on about how Feric embarrassed himself at the crossroads guitar festival 3 (on the DVD at least). I just have a hard time believing that he is the real deal.
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Post by moped on Nov 12, 2005 15:13:00 GMT
I don't think there is a Feric myself, although there are a lot of strong and varying views on his performances. From reading various music fan boards, some said he "lost it" after Cream, some said his best guitar playing was in the mid to late 70s, etc. I never liked Cream all that much, but they had great songs. They sounded tense to me, like three people competing for the spotlight. I don't see EC as that, because he always came across as a "generous", non-egotistical musician, and still does. Even if the playing wasn't quite as fiery, the 2005 tour sounded more musically unified than their original shows. For the record, I think EC is still great.   |
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Post by Perplexed on Nov 12, 2005 19:47:57 GMT
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Post by TheDZ on Nov 12, 2005 21:37:42 GMT
Who dat? That's The Yardbirds with Jeff Beck. |
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Post by plastic paul on Nov 12, 2005 23:46:29 GMT
When i first joined this forum, i felt this thread was pure "baloney" to use an americanism. However the more it has progressd the more i believe in the possibility, yet i'm still not convinced for the record. I never liked Cream all that much, but they had great songs. They sounded tense to me, like three people competing for the spotlight. Anyway, what you said there very much reminds me of the jam, Paul Weller's band, him and his mate who he formed the band with fell out badly when they hit the big time, and that is the reason (according to paul) that they played so well, because they had so much tension that when they performed, it was electric! |
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Post by sinbad on Nov 13, 2005 2:26:57 GMT
When i first joined this forum, i felt this thread was pure "baloney" to use an americanism. However the more it has progressd the more i believe in the possibility This was my thought process also. |
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Post by TheDZ on Nov 13, 2005 5:01:58 GMT
I don't think there is a Feric myself, although there are a lot of strong and varying views on his performances. From reading various music fan boards, some said he "lost it" after Cream, some said his best guitar playing was in the mid to late 70s, etc. I never liked Cream all that much, but they had great songs. They sounded tense to me, like three people competing for the spotlight. I don't see EC as that, because he always came across as a "generous", non-egotistical musician, and still does. Even if the playing wasn't quite as fiery, the 2005 tour sounded more musically unified than their original shows. For the record, I think EC is still great. Hey Moped  I just wanted to re-iterate that I've been a guitar player/fan for many years now.. Eric's playing up to and including the Dominoes is quite inspired, inventive, skilled and articulate. Afterwards...I'm bored.  Uninterested... Personally I found that quite odd..so I looked into the fine details of Eric before and after.. Honestly, I think 'they' did a good job of getting a visual replacement..but the differences are there... Ears drop, chin grows, eyes change subtly... The differences are less pronounced IMO than with Faul/Paul. I think of it this way..If Faul had eyes that were slightly wider apart, we may not be here, contributing to this PWR/PID forum.. For me, the ears are the 'smoking gun', but finding pictures of Eric's ears are limited to fairly difficult to find Yardbirds pictures..Getting a straight on face pic with those ears visible is even harder.. As MFH has shown me, it's fairly easy to get Paul/Faul to 'match' with off angle shots..even easier with doctored Faul pics Show me some straight on Pre/Post Dominoes pics with ears and all other features matching and I might relent... ;D Guitar hero's... there's one in every crowd.. |
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Post by defhermit on Nov 13, 2005 9:42:37 GMT
hey... I'm not really convinced of any Eric replacement, but I've always thought that Eric Clapton had that "stretched face" of a guy who has had a face lift or some kind of plastic surgeon... I'm 29, so I'm too young to remember Clapton's glory years in the 60s/70s, but as a guitar player, I've always heard about how Claptop used to be the total shit and just became somewhat less inspired at some point. I always heard it being chalked up to him getting clean off drugs, but I don't know nuttin....
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Post by moped on Nov 14, 2005 15:17:44 GMT
When i first joined this forum, i felt this thread was pure "baloney" to use an americanism. However the more it has progressd the more i believe in the possibility, yet i'm still not convinced for the record. It's been the opposite for me. Initially intrigued, the more I looked, the more he became the same guy. Oh yeah, it can work...I'm not too familiar with The Jam but a band called Wire used it to great effect...four guys, when together, put out a edgy, abrasive vibe, yet the music ended up being very cohesive but with a bite. But with Cream it's something not meshing with my ears (I guess I need to get them replaced... ) Maybe it's because they're very good musicians, or blues-based music doesn't lend itself to the tension...IMO. Derek And The Dominoes comes to mind...individual personalities in the playing (which was across the board outstanding) but meshing together seamlessly. |
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Post by moped on Nov 14, 2005 16:00:20 GMT
Hey Moped I just wanted to re-iterate that I've been a guitar player/fan for many years now.. Eric's playing up to and including the Dominoes is quite inspired, inventive, skilled and articulate. Afterwards...I'm bored. Uninterested... I can hear that. But I hear the same thing in Neil Young too..."back in the day" he created very inventive guitar playing...it may not have been anything that technical or hyperspeed, but to my ears it was very creative nonetheless; his solo *acoustic* shows sounded like he had a couple of sidemen up there because the music had so much dimension to it, but it was just him. Is his guitar playing these days worse, or am I expecting the same freshness and inventiveness he did 30 years ago, or what? Also he doesn't have the same focus when playing guitar and harmonica together, like he used to (one as a counterpoint to the other)...before he could really seperate those musically, but these days they go along with each other more. Replaced? No. Just the life of any artist who has already proven themselves, finds it not as easy to focus, loses (or removes themselves from) the creative environment they were once in, etc. Is EC making bad or radically different music post Derek? Does EC's personality seem different? In my view, both of those get a no. JPM/Bill? Very abrupt change in look, music, and personality, in a short time. Finding EC pics isn't as easy as JPM, there's like 1 for every 10 million of the Beatles... Also, we got quite the snag...anything I post might be viewed like PIA "comparisions", which don't make a dent here. But I may be up for it. ;D |
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Post by moped on Nov 15, 2005 16:34:30 GMT
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Post by moped on Nov 15, 2005 18:55:03 GMT
This looks like it was scanned from newsprint (rotary press, distorted), but it's pretty clear.  |
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Uninterested...